White Nationalist Video

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I am posting this video because this is what I was taught as a White Nationalist woman. That being anti racist= being anti white. That is what they are teaching their children.

I believe this is one of Bob W’s video’s.

Don’t think there is anything wrong with being proud of my ethnic group. I am proud to be Celtic/British.. It doesn’t make one a racist to be proud of their heritage and ancestors and cultrue. If one is considered a racists for taking pride in their own ethnic group and teaching those traditons to the next generation, then I guess I am a racist.

I think the word RACIST is being HIJACKED BY WHITE NATIONALISTS TO MAKE WHITES OF ALL THE WHITE ETHNIC GROUPS FEEL THAT THEY ARE WHITE NATIONALIST IF THEY TAKE PRIDE IN BEING IRISH, SCOTTISH, ENGLISH, FRENCH, RUSSIAN, GERMAN, POLISH, ITALIAN, ETC. THAT IS WRONG!!!!

THE WORD RACIST TO ME MEANS SOMEONE WHO HATES OTHERS JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR ETHNIC GROUP AND RACE. RACISTS CAN BE FROM ALL RACES. THERE ARE BLACK RACIST’S, MEXICAN RACIST’S, AND YES, EVEN WHITE RACIST’S.

So please tell me how ANTI RACISM= ANTI WHITE, WHEN RACISM COMES IN ALL RACES?

Never have been able to sort that lie of White Nationalist in my mind and understand that statment of anti racism = anti white. Maybe that is why Jeff said I was to STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH, when I could not comprehend the truth to different White Nationalist statements that he wanted me to believe as TRUTH. Or if I wasn’t called STUPID, I was told I WAS A WITCH, BECAUSE MY REBELLION WAS THE SIN OF WITCHCRAFT AND THE BIBLE SAYS TO KILL WITCHES. SO 1. I WAS EITHER STUPID OR 2. A WITCH. Take your pick.

I know you White Nationalists always talk about White Genocide and the destruction of the White RACE by Jews and others. That is another concept I have a hard time accepting. Maybe it is the Boston in me, but I look around me and I see White people marrying other White people and having White babies. I admit I haven’t been home in 23 years, but when I lived there, Whites were marrying Whites of all ethnic groups. There wasn’t any pressure or LAW that said that Whites couldn’t marry people within their own ethnic group or race. Is there any CITY OR STATE OR COMMONWEALTH IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT HAS A LAW THAT MAKES IT A CRIME FOR A WHITE PERSON TO MARRY AND HAVE CHILDREN WITH ANOTHER WHITE PERSON?

I know I will get the ” YOU ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH” BECAUSE I DARE TO THINK… NO MATTER HOW MUCH I TRY AND UNDERSTAND YOUR WHITE NATIONALIST MESSAGE, MY MIND CAN’T COMPREHEND YOUR MESSAGE AS TRUTH.

BEFORE I GET THE ” YOU ARE A LIBTARD OR PROGRESSIVE” KNOW THAT I AM A CONSERVATIVE ( based on the UK and not States).. Margret Thatcher was my hero. I like PM David Cameron who is the LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IN THE UK.

I tend to be HATED BY ALL SIDES. WHITE NATIONALISTS HATE AND ATTACK ME AND LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVES HAVE ATTACKED ME TOO.

BEING HONEST IS NOT POPULAR ON EITHER SIDE IN TODAY’S WORLD.

Yes, using the White Nationalist women in your video is a smart move to attract more young men to your CAUSE…

Another question how many of the women really believe that MANTRA that is REPEATED TIME AFTER TIME, WITH THE HOPES THAT IF YOU REPEAT THE LIE ENOUGH TIMES, IT WILL COME TO BE BELIEVED AS THE TRUTH?

White Nationalist women feel free to make a comment and explain why you believe the message in this video. I ask that we have discussion on an adult level. No name calling, but just talking to each other and not at each other.

Feel like a little Pink Floyd.

I never wanted to be just another brick in the wall, and that is why I have always been a rebel.

Happy New Year.

Chrisy

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47 Comments »

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    PeterW Says:

    Peter this is the exact same mantra that is repeated over and over and over again. Just because something is repeated over and over doesn’t make it true. You are not a woman and I had wanted to hear from the women… Can you answer the questions without repeating the same mantra over and over again? Happy New Year.

    This has less to do with “White Nationalism” then it does with discussing White Genocide.

    I will give you a little background:

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black country and ONLY into Black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane Black man to notice this and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

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    Crispin Crisp Says:

    Anti-Racist is a —>CODEWORD<— for Anti-White.

    GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    I love the way that when I offer the chance for White Nationalist women to explain their video, I get White Nationalist men, leave comments instead. Repeating the same mantra over and over again, without putting forth any fresh ideas. why is that?

    One man said that anti racist is anti white and for me to get it right next time.

    He never answered the question of them hijacking the word racist to mean any White person proud of their ethnic group, which is not racist to me. Being racist is something all races can be guilty of, as being racist is HATING other RACES.

    So if all races can be racists then why is anti racism anti white?

    Also he never talked about real examples of WHITE genocide that White Nationalists claim is happening. Name one city in America that has a Law on the books that makes it a crime for Whites to marry within their race.

    Won’t hold my breath on getting a real answer to my honest questions. It is always the same insults and repeating the same mantra over and over, not able to think for themselves.

    Happy New Year

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    Anthony Says:

    A world with ONLY white skin would be an infinitely better world, it’s that simple. And if “RACE is just skin color”, than we should go for it!

    Anthony,

    So to you a White Nationalist Man, it would be a better world if only Whites live in the world? Happy New Year. Chrisy

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    Sallyanne Hopkins Says:

    “why is anti racism anti white?”

    Because “anti-racists” say, Africa is for the Africans, Asia is for the Asians and White countries are for Everyone.

    Anti-racists Demand massive non-White immigration and forced integration, for all White countries and only White countries.

    So “anti-racists” are saying, all White people must be blended out of existence (GENOCIDE), to end all “racism”.

    Therefore:

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    QED

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Sally,

    Finally a woman posts.

    I feel though that you are just repeating the wn mantra and not saying your own ideas. It is the same mantra over and over.

    Who says Asia is only for Asains? Whites live in Asia to, so that phrase in your wn mantra does not ring true.

    Racism is found in all races, so therefore when people fight racism they are fighting people in all races who hate others just because they are not the same race. So to me the phrase anti racism is anti white doesn’t ring true, sorry.

    I know Bob W in person who came up with that mantra. I didn’t agree with it then and still don’t.

    For the record I speak up against all HATE no matter what race is being racist.

    Happy New Year

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    Sallyanne Hopkins Says:

    “I feel though that you are just repeating the wn mantra and not saying your own ideas. It is the same mantra over and over. ”

    The reason you demand I don’t say it, is because you have no answer for it.

    “Who says Asia is only for Asains?”

    Point to me any “anti-racist” group that is demanding any Asian or African country be flooded with millions of people that are not their RACE and force integrated, until that African or Asian people are blended out of existence.

    They don’t dare do it to non-Whites, because they know it is GENOCIDE according to international law.

    They only Demand this GENOCIDE of ALL White countries and ONLY White countries, in the name of their so called “anti-racism”.

    When it is being done to Tibetans by the Chinese government, “Anti-racists” have no problem in calling it GENOCIDE. When these same anti-Whites are doing exactly the same to White people, suddenly they they can’t see GENOCIDE.

    It is hard to see White GENOCIDE, when you are anti-White.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions

    “Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups”

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    Sallyanne Hopkins Says:

    “For the record I speak up against all HATE no matter what race is being racist.”

    You say you are against HATE… Yet you justify GENOCIDE against White people.

    So I don’t believe you.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Sally, you are not saying anything but your wn mantra over and over again. I don’t justify genocide against white people or anyone. It is only in your mind. That is what brainwashing is. You are brainwashed as I was brainwashed at one time.

    White people have and contine to live and add to all parts of the world, which includes non white nations. Many of the peace core youth are White that have worked in all parts of the non white world as teachers, engineers , and other jobs that added to life in those non white nations. My parents had friends whose son, after he graduated from Davis served in the peace core. He was about 6 years older then me, so this was in the early 70’s.

    If you can’t add anything to the discussion, except your white nationalist mantra, because you can only repeat and not think for yourself, then there is no point in continuing this exchange as I don’t want to keep going in circles over and over again.

    I hope someday you will see the truth about White Nationalism and like other women leave . I left 7 years ago now as I left in 2006. My good friend and I woke up to the truth about the same time. Both of us are in a much better place.

    I am very proud of my ethnic group. Just because I’m proud of my Celtic side, doesn’t mean I am white nationalist or believe the Jews are out to destroy the White race like many of you White Nationalists do.

    Everyone should be proud of their ethnic make up.

    Happy New Year
    Chrisy

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    Anthony Says:

    After decades of threats by anti-whites of a future brown/3rd world in EVERY White country, of which White people are to “celebrate” or we are “naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews!”, NOW it’s a problem if I point out the obvious that more Whites and less brown/third worlders would make the world less third world?

    You say “there aren’t any laws forbidding Whites from marrying Whites” – If Hitler sent all male Jews to a West African Nation, and sent all female Jews to an East African Nation, and said Jews could marry whoever they wanted within those nations, that wouldn’t be Jewish GENOCIDE?

    Name ONE “anti-racist” campaign that targeted a non-white group? Name ONE “anti-racist” group that exists in a non-White country?

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Anthony,

    It is the same old White Nationalist mantra over and over and over again. We are wasting time as we keep going round and round in circles. It is the same ole same ole with you White Nationalists.

    Name one case of White Genocide that is going on right now, so that I can contact POLITICAL LEADERS SO WE CAN STOP IT. I AM A FIGHTER AND FIGHT FOR THOSE WHO CAN’T FIGHT FOR THEMSELVES. I AM NOT AFRAID TO BANG HEADS TO BRING HELP TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN DANGER OF GENOCIDE BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE..

    If there is a real case of WHITES being MURDERED JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE, I WANT TO KNOW, SO I CAN RAISE HELL AND PUT A STOP TO IT. I WILL MOVE EVERY SINGLE MOUNTAIN I CAN TO BRING HELP TO WHITES OR ANY RACE WHO IS BEING TARGETED FOR DEATH, JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE.

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    John Says:

    I am not a woman or female but I can answer questions if you have any. I am a young man in early 20s and have been a white racialist since I was a teenager. I was never brought up that way (my parents are rabid liberals) and my social environment was evenly diverse back then. I grew up with Multiculturalism and got to experience it in the most neutral way possible. Many people grew up in mostly white neighborhoods or ethnic hellholes where their lives were ruined. So it is hard to get anything but an emotional response out of some.

    The Mantra itself is used to drill a simple message everyone and to popularize it. I don’t endorse it myself, but it is very effective in the sense of getting a message out there whilst generally ignored or hated on by the media.

    Jeff sounds like a tool and I have known crazy people like that as well. In turn those people have known even crazier ones and I have known even rather left leaning white racialists. Jeff maybe has changed but if not I hope you don’t see him as an ambassador to our ideals.

    Anyways you seem intent on getting a woman’s response. As a truth seeker myself I will gladly offer any explanations or answers should you want one. Just wanted to stop by and say most of us aren’t crazy or brainwashed just that a few bad apples spoil the image of the bunch.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John
    Thank you for you comment. You are welcome to post comments here anytime explaining your view point. Sometimes Garfield who also is a White Nationalist posts here and we have come to respect each other as two honest people just seeking the truth. Garfield hasn’t been online for awhile because he moved to a different country and is getting settled.

    My mother died last Friday so I am still having to deal with that so I don’t want to get into a discussion right now about White Nationalism, if that is ok, but ask that we wait a couple of weeks until things settle down here a bit.

    I do understand your thoughts on why the mantra is used. You make some good points in your comment.

    May I ask you a question what brought you into White Nationalism?

    Hope we can talk about this topic with each other.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    Chrisy,

    It would be my pleasure to discuss this topic with someone. I tend to believe every time people enter a discussion (and not an argument) then both parties tend to walk away learning something new. I don’t know how detailed you want me to answer the question but skip to the last paragraph if you want the short story XD.

    I believe things started out for me at the core when I was in elementary school. People of Pakistani descent often stuck together. I can remember one instance when a boy, who was white, told some kid who bumped into him or something to that effect “you paki!” and he was getting attacked by at least 30 kids from at least grades 5-8 and the teachers didn’t do anything. I told a teacher and only then did they break up the attack. I was then threatened myself for saying something (I was 10) for the next week or so. Around this same time my Grandmother taught me a lot about my English heritage and where my family was from. When History class began when I was 12 I realized how awesome it was to be British and how our people came over seas to North America.

    When High School began (in yet a more multicultural area) I initially tried to adapt to my situation. However this was for naught because the racial lines were already drawn. Asians were really close knit with each other because they were Asian. The Pakistanis were the same and were neutral-hostile towards other races of people. Most of the white people there were Italian or Portuguese with a large Eastern European minority. essentially asian/pakistani/white were each about a 30% of the school. If you were white you were Christian whether you believed it or not. During my grade 10 year I was trying to figure out my political beliefs and where I stood in the world. The biggest thing I wanted to see end was violence specifically one caused by gangs. I looked up the political extremes and the one that gave me a sufficient answer was some Neo-Nazi website. So I kind of took in some of that nonsense for awhile which worked well in my school. The school had stuff like “Black History Month” and “South Asian History Month” and made us all go into the school gym to watch Pakistani dances meanwhile those same Pakistanis would use insulting names to refer to whites when talking in their language (Urdu I think). There just so much division that whites pretty much were left to support themselves. I actually remember pulling a stunt as dressing up for Hitler on Halloween! The school was not happy but boy were the majority of white kids (male and female) thought it cool and funny.

    However over time I discovered Stormfront and that allowed me to moderate my beliefs a bit. I lost the zeal but I replaced it with truth, love of my culture and learning more about who I was as a person and the world I live in. I don’t visit Stormfront now but instead prefer the site counter-currents.

    Long story short I got into White Nationalism because of necessity. If we take out the fact that these were our countries to begin with, a case can still be made for social cohesion. It reminds of that statement said about the Nazis, the one that ended with “Then they came for me,and there was no one left to speak for me”. I have known some weird white nationalists but I know our movement as a whole is a force for the good of all white people. Never have I received more hate or scorn for simply disagreeing with multiracial views on human equality. I have lost some people who were important in my life because they disagreed with my views and decided that I must be evil. Political Correctness does that to people and causes people who would get along well together to hate each other based on their political/social beliefs. What has been your experience with people who are White Nationalists? What are your thoughts on various ideas we have?

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John,

    Thank you for posting. I agree when people talk to each other and listen, that it is a good thing.

    I have a tooth ache this morning and go to the dentist in about an hour.

    I am half British and very proud of both my Celtic and British heritage, as I think all people should take pride in their ethic groups. I just don’t feel that being proud of your ethic group and family tree makes me a White Nationalist.

    You talked about Stormfront. I know the site very well and people there. For many years I posted and was active there. First I was truthseeker and then I was camie. Went to both the 2004 and 2005 euro in New Orleans. Stormfront is the best white nationalist site and is the cream of the crop compared to VNN. VNN is the worst representation of your white nationalist cause.

    At one time I really thought I was a white nationalist too, because I was brainwashed to think, because I am proud of being Celtic and British made me a white nationalist. Because I want to marry someone who is of the same ethic group, white nationalists said I was white nationalist. White nationalism is more then just ethnic pride and wanting to marry someone in the same race. It shouldn’t be considered racist or white nationalist for Irish to want to marry another Irish, or an Italian to want to marry another Italian, etc.

    White nationalism is political..it is the political side I fight against. I don’t think Jews are out to destroy the White race and control the world as David Duke and other White nationalist believe. I don’t think any race is inferior to any other race. I think every race should be honored, but sadly the White races are made to feel guilty for being proud of our race.

    So I do see some truth in what you are saying, but the bad outweighs the good in my humble opinion.

    Look forward to talking with you more,but I have to get ready to go to the dentist.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    I agree that simply not wanting to race mix (or culture mix) and being proud of who you are doesn’t make you a White Nationalist. However it is considered racist (which is different from WNist) to thank that way for many people who’d be considered left wing (though conservatives don’t seem to care). To say one race is inferior to another is a matter of perspective. Personally I believe the traits found in people of European descent to be better than traits that people of other races groups are predisposed to.

    As for the Jewish angle, it is kind of well documented. The question is how far do you believe the corruption to be? I personally believe that minor Jewish run organizations probably have a minor hatred for whites and it just increases the more power they get. For the genuine meaningful Jew I think it is because (either through culture or genetics) they are a somewhat paranoid people. They always think they are the world and that the world is after them. They like to have power over situations when they can and be ignored when they can’t. Their sort of cultural/national pride manifests itself in a way that it doesn’t care or actually tries to harm other groups around it that it perceives to be a threat. The history of Palestine is a good example alone.

    VNN isn’t that great I agree. However Stormfront isn’t the cream of the crop :P. It wasn’t bad a few years ago but nowadays it is heavily moderated. It is generally pro-libertarian with touches of anti-Christian or anti-British sentiment (due to moderators tolerating attacks on the British people or Christianity in their threads). Most of the decent or interesting folk were banned or left awhile ago. Also their target for donations is a scam and they have been raising it more and more for the past while. First they NEEDED 2000 something dollars because they owned some money. Then that number became the norm. Next they raised it to 3,500 for the same reason. Instead of reverting it back they kept it as the norm. Then they NEEDED 7,500! and now that is the norm. Don Black has his hand in everyone’s pockets.

    What bad do you think outweighs the good? I am curious to see what your pros and cons would be?

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Good morning. Hope you have a good day.

    I agree that many Progressives and people on the Left, that anyone who is proud of their ethnic group if they are White is considered and evil racist. They don’t have a problem with Blacks being proud of being Black and overlook the hate filled remarks that some Blacks make in regards to White people. To them, the only group of people who HATE are Whites. Notice I said many and not ALL.

    The good part about White Nationalism was the fellowship that Whites who are proud of their ethnic groups have with each other. I am Celtic/British and It was nice to be with people that didn’t make me feel like a terrible person because I like my heritage and culture, and wanting to pass on the traditions to the next generation so they too can be proud of having Celtic blood running through their veins.

    I made friends and had a good time at Euro, 2004 and 2005.

    Stormfront was part of the good and back then it was a great site with very interesting people. So in my day, stormfront was the cream of the crop.

    VNN has always been the toxic dump and cess pool.

    As far as Don Black I have met him in person and in 2004 we even shared drinks. He seems like a nice guy and I know people who are good friends with him who think he is the greatest. I spent time with his son Derek and found him to be a wonderful smart kid, though now he is a man. I enjoyed talking to Derek and enjoyed the laughter we shared. It has been 8 years since I last saw either of them, as I left in 06.

    I knows a lot of people don’t like Jack Boot, but I met him too in 05 and found him to be a good person. That same friend also knows Jack Boot and thought very highly of him. I find Jack Boot to be honest.

    I made good friends through stormfront and White Nationalism who I still love and always will hold dear in my heart, even though I know we are no longer friends and we are now fighting each other because I must fight their White Nationalist beliefs and goals. It was hard to walk away knowing that people I loved as friends were going to be my enemy from that day forward. Maybe someday they will realize that I am not fighting them personally but fighting their White Nationalist Political goals and I have a duty to fight them because it is a moral imperative.

    I was in the old NA and a lot of the mods that were at stormfront when I was there were NA. John Law was a very nice man. He was a true gentleman in every sense of the word.

    So for me the good in White Nationalism was the personal friendships and fellowship that I had with people. At first I thought I could seperate the political views from the personal relationships, but in the end, I couldn’t.

    The bad is the political views. I don’t feel ” Jews ” are out to destroy the White Race and out to control the world. I don’t believe the LIES that are being told as truth by White Nationalists to make people hate JEWS…

    Being Jewish is about a religion and not a RACE.

    I didn’t like the HATE that was being PREACHED AS TRUTH by White Nationalists.

    I didn’t like that ” the eternal Jew” was presented to me as a newsreel of truth and facts when it was a Nazi tool to make Germans HATE Jews. I still have nightmares over what was in that film.

    I didn’t like that I was brainwashed to hold hate in my heart toward other human beings, yet being told that White Nationalism is about LOVE. It isn’t or wasn’t about LOVE.

    I feel that the hardship I went through while I still considered myself a White Nationalist was not worth it. I used my real name and some people made my life hell for it. I took it because I am a good soldier. Yet, the joke was on me in the end, because it turned out they were right and I was wrong. That friend is back in my life. She realized she was wrong to treat me the way she did. I realized I was being lied to and woke up from the White Nationalist spell.

    There is an old friend that I would like to talk to about White Nationalism. I know he doesn’t think he is smart, but I do.. and I want to talk to him and ask what he thinks about White Nationalism. I want to hear his thoughts…. I really need to talk to him about things.

    I need to start working on my journal assignment so I will say goodbye for now.

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    John Says:

    Hello how are you doing? Hope you had a good Valentine’s Day.

    Why do you have to fight White Nationalism? Why is White Nationalism evil to you?

    It seems to me one of your issues seems to be WN ideology and the Jews. Jews are indeed a race in a sense that the ones WNist are specifically talking about, the Khazar. Well maybe a race isn’t the right word, they are not white. They are part of the Caucasus region South of Russia and north of I think Iran.

    Most of what is said about Jews I believe to be pretty factual and indisputable. Whether it be the fact Jews seem to be at the forefront of anything bad or immoral in western society, whether it be them using the holocaust to brainwash white people into feeling guilt or whether it be them doing weird or cruel stuff like kosher slaughter or trying to get people thrown in jail or lose their job for free speech.

    Who made your life hell? The only people who have made me life hell are the multiculturalists who see fit to destroy everything I hold dear and ideological sort of have.

    I notice that you almost have a sort of crusade against White Nationalism. I just want to know why? I myself am a separatist and I hope one day we can secure ourselves a homeland we don’t have to worry about the possibility of someone committing genocide against us. If you feel whites can live in this current environment, do you ever worry that our precious people might be destroyed? Both genetically and financially?

    Can you explain to me more what you experience in the movement was like (or a link if its already on here) that made you leave?

    Talk to you later,
    John

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Just wanted to let you know I approved your comment.

    I have to work on my journal assignment this morning for my childhood sexual survivors group so I can’t reply to you right now. It will have to be later on this weekend.

    This journal assignment for group is very difficult for me as I have to write a letter to the angry little girl inside of me, and I don’t like feeling what she feels so I numb it out and don’t allow myself to feel her pain.

    Plus when I respond to you, I want to have thought about what I want to say so as to answer your questions honestly.

    Some of your questions I have to think and reflect on.

    Hope you understand.

    Chrisy

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    chrisy58 Says:

    ” Why do you have to fight White Nationalism? Why is White Nationalism evil to you?” ( John said)

    Finished my journal assignment, but will copy it later..

    Here is the first two questions you asked.

    Why do I fight White Nationalism?

    Let me ask you a question before I answer that question… Who is a hero to you?

    Most of my heroes are British, but I do have two Americans on my list of heroes.

    I will talk about one of them, Robert F. Kennedy…

    When he lived he planted his seed in me from the time I was five to ten.. I was a kid for Kennedy and part of my PTSD is watching him being killed on tv. What started out as a happy night for me, because I was so proud of myself for talking Republican adults into becoming Democrat just so they could vote for him in the Primary; became one of the worst nights of my life.

    To this day I don’t watch or read anything about the last day of his life. I saw it when it happen and I don’t ever want to live through that again by seeing it or reading about it.

    At five I didn’t pick him because of his political views. Even though I have always loved Politics and worked on my first Presidental campaign at 10 in 1968, I didn’t pick him at five because his stand on Communism. I picked him because of his courage, passion, strength, honesty, and because I felt he was a man of moral character. I picked him because I saw the same qualities in him that were in myself and what I wanted to develop in me as a child.

    Believe me I have heard all my life about how stupid I was to pick him as my hero at five years old. Have been abused over my hero for daring to believe in him. Yet, that abuse over him, only made my love for him stronger.

    I believe my hero would tell me, if I could talk to him that he is proud of me for fighting against White Nationalism… In his day they didn’t call themselves White Nationalists, even though they were, but Robert F Kennedy stood up against White people in the South denying Civil Rights to Blacks… That stand that he took in the early 60’s is one reason why Whites in the South hated him and his brother so much. My hero felt it was a moral question of right vs wrong in seperating people because of the color of their skin.

    There was a period of time, that I forgot what what I had been taught as a child by my father and hero, because of the disappointment I felt over how a dear friend treated me when I finally had the chance to ask him one on one to help… Without really talking to me and asking me questions he said it wasn’t his problem and left me in hell. I was angry at him and the world…

    White Nationalists befriended me and helped me. They showed me more compassion then my old friend in Marshfield ever showed me. There is good in White Nationalism, and I won’t deny that. I knew true friendship and I still have love in my heart for the friends I made who are White Nationalists. For awhile I deceived myself into thinking I was a good White Nationalist too, and was a good parrot for the Cause. I am ashamed to say, I helped bring women to the Cause.

    You might ask, what woke me up from the spell I was under?

    A book called ” Make Gentle the Life of this World”. It is full of quotes written by and loved by my hero. I read it and would read it to my White Nationalist girlfriends over the phone. The great thing is that not only me, but the girls I read it too have all left White Nationalism. That book not only woke me up from the spell, but other women as well. It became a light of truth in the darkness of lies and the truth won. Someday I hope to tell the person who wrote that book thank you for reminding me what my father and his father taught us or tried to teach us when they were living…

    Here is a quote from that book:

    “We must recognize the full human equality of all of our people before God, before the Law, and in the councils of government. We must do this, not because it is economically advantageous, although it is; not because of the Laws of God command it, although they do; not because people in other lands wish it so. We must do it for the single and fundamental reason that it is the right thing to do.” ( Robert F. Kennedy)

    That quote is in regards to Civil Rights.

    I believe in my heart that my American Hero would be against White Nationalism and would applaud my efforts in fighting them and would want to bring much needed resources to the fight against White Nationalism. He would have helped me!!!!! He would applaud my journal blog and trying to reach as many White Nationalist women as I can to see the truth and to leave and be willing to tell what they know so that their knowledge can be used to stop White Nationalists from ever gaining real political power in this nation.

    I think of an old Bible verse, about teaching a child in the way he should walk, and even if he leaves the path, he will come back at a later date. That verse rang true for me.

    I know you White Nationalists don’t understand it, because after all you were kind to me and offered me compassion and friendship when I was lost, hurting, and angry.. Yet, you have to remember that before I ever even knew you, that my heart, love, and friendship belonged to another. It is him I am loyal to and always have been and will be. Because I know him as my friend, I want to talk to him about White Nationalism and hear what he thinks. If he thinks I should tell him what I know I will. He was my friend before you.

    He is the one I will listen to, because I know him as my friend… I just feel that I must continue to try and talk to him and see what he thinks is best.

    So I guess I fight White Nationalism because of my hero Robert F. Kennedy.

    Why do I think White Nationalism is evil?

    I think that too goes back to my father and my hero Robert F. Kennedy.

    They were both born in Massachusetts. You can take the girl out of Boston, but you can’t take Boston out of the girl. So the things I was taught as a child are still a part of me. I might have forgotten them for a time, but they were always there and I remembered, and once I remembered I saw the evil that is White Nationalism and felt I had a duty to fight.

    My dad always taught me to be a good soldier. Duty first, duty second and duty third. I have a duty to tell my friend in MA about White Nationalism. He will then decide what the best plan of action will be. Mine is to be willing to talk to him and slowly tell him what I know, so that he has the knowledge he needs to do his duty. You see he too is a soldier who has been taught duty first, duty second and duty third.

    Let me ask you, do you think it is morally right to hate someone because they were born Jewish?

    Do you think it is morally right to hate someone because he is not White?

    Do you think it is morally right to hate someone because they fall in love with and marry someone outside their race?

    My nephew who I love very much would be consider a race traitor by you White Nationalists. He fell in love with and married a very nice girl who we all love and adore, who just happens to be Asian.

    Is it right to hate him and his children?

    If I had stayed a White Nationalist I would have had to cut my nephew out of my life forever or be a hyprocrit and live a lie within White Nationalism.

    I don’t do the hyprocrit thing…

    I know people in today’s world don’t like to talk about good vs evil, as they like everything to be accepted.. Yet, I believe that one has to fight against the evil and fight to overcome the evil with good. There is evil in the world.

    Child sexual abuse is evil.

    White Nationalism is evil because they hold hate in their hearts. Black Nationalism is evil because they hold hate in their hearts… Mexican Nationalism is evil because they hold hate in their hearts.

    I know I am not explaining this very well. At least in writing I am better able to express my thoughts.

    Later I will answer more of your questions, but this is a start.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    I guess I will respond since I am here.

    “Let me ask you a question before I answer that question… Who is a hero to you?”

    If you needed a more specific hero I couldn’t give you just one name. I would simply reply with my ancestors, on my mother’s side with the exception of my mother :P. My grandparents and their parents were some excellent people. My grandmother taught me pride in who I am and where I came from, got me to question multiculturalism when I was still young and ignorant and her parents were even greater people from the stories she tells me. My great grandfather for example fought in WW1. He even joined the Home Guard in WW2 and helped out then too. My Great grandfather (and indeed all my ancestors) would want me to fight the greatest evil that currently threatens our civilization: multiculturalism and it’s manifested form of political correctness.

    George Washington, Hannibal, Octavian, James Wolfe, etc. I can think of many great men but the only ones I’d idealize are military leaders or revolutionaries. However I believe that to my biological calling what with my family having deep military roots (further back then WW1).

    “Let me ask you, do you think it is morally right to hate someone because they were born Jewish?

    Do you think it is morally right to hate someone because he is not White?

    Do you think it is morally right to hate someone because they fall in love with and marry someone outside their race?

    My nephew who I love very much would be consider a race traitor by you White Nationalists. He fell in love with and married a very nice girl who we all love and adore, who just happens to be Asian.

    Is it right to hate him and his children?”

    I don’t hate people for things like that. I hate people for what they do to me personally. I dislike people based on their ideology and the actions they have taken. I have friends who are non-white (not a lot because they cannot relate to me like my white friends can) and I do like their company, however survival would trump all that. If they are non-white and outside of the country, I don’t see why people cannot get along. Multiculturalism does not need to happen to form interracial friendships.

    As for your second point though I do think it is morally right to shun someone who marries someone of a different race. Maybe not on a personal level, but on an ideological one. They simply cannot live in the same nation as whites who want to preserve and protect their own people. They should live in “Diversity Land” while the other more careful whites live in our homeland. Love is an emotion, and like all emotions it should be tempered with reason. Race isn’t something that is skin deep. Race is genetics and the way one thinks, behaves and learns is all apart of race. He is your nephew and you can deal with him as you want. As for me he simply has only contributed to the problem instead of the solution. He has no place in a white homeland.

    a counter-question to what you wrote.

    Your reason is flawless in that it does explain why you believe what you believe. However it does beg the question: why are you so devoted to Robert Kennedy?

    If you stop and think about it, if Robert Kennedy was a part of the kind of people who produced all this crap we see around us, is he simply not a part of the problem?

    All those democrat (and republican) bastards who gave us multiculturalism, race mixing, political correctness (which causes people to be locked up in Europe for homeschooling, holocaust denial, free speech against immigrants invading their homeland as well as in NA with regards to preventing whites from speaking out against evil), feminism, homosexual perversion being in the public sphere, porn being in the public sphere, and all other kinds of nonsense are evil people.

    It is easy to kick the underdog (pro-whites) when they are down and everyone else is kicking them. However it is a more heroic thing to try and stop the abuse from happening. I can guarantee you that men like Robert Kennedy would give you a swift boot to the face for simply suggesting peace and cooperation with us.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Who made your life hell? The only people who have made me life hell are the multiculturalists who see fit to destroy everything I hold dear and ideological sort of have. ( John said)

    I have had many people who have made my life hell. Yes, some were White Nationalists. Even as a kid White Nationalists made me feel ugly because I wasn’t born looking like my mother with her blue eyes and blonde hair. One girl who was the daughter of a friend of my mother, name Carla George said to me one day that I was so ugly I needed a bag over my head, because I wasn’t blonde and blue eyed like her, which made her so beautiful. Carla was just another reason why Saratoga and St. Andrews was hell. She too went to St. Andrews, though thankfully we were not in the same class. I just had to endure her in my home and in her home.

    Tell me where does a 11 year old girl get the idea that the only beautiful women are blonde hair blue eyed girls? That us Celtic/British girls who have fair skin and freckles and brown hair and brown eyes are condidered so ugly that we need a bag over our head. I think it is because she is taught that…

    We can move on to Jeff and his little comments about my being so ugly with my brown hair and brown eyes that no man on the face of the earth will ever want me, so I am stuck with him. I left him.

    The evil gardener who sexual raped me as a child was not White Nationalist, but Greek. So not everyone who has made my life HELL was WHITE NATIONALIST.

    Mike Strassburger was not a White Nationalist, but just a boy who I believe had German roots. I don’t know what he grew up to be as I last saw him when I was 14 and he was 15. He was part of the Saratoga, CA HELL and the HELL of St. Andrews school HELL.

    I have had White Nationalist men say the most mean and and evil things to me and about me, and then in the next breath say that WN men are the only men who honor, respect and protect women. What a laugh. Tell me if White Nationalist men respcet and honor women, then why do they say the most mean things about women?

    Even when I was a White Nationalist who posted on SF, the WN men at VNN couldn’t wait to say the most mean things about me and other women who went to Euro 2004. You should have seen the things that were said about me in the picture that was taken that year. I was wearing a blue dress and my hair was in an up do. I had people say I was Mexican.. I live in AZ and even when not trying to get a sun tan by sitting out in the sun, one does get color to their white skin. I had people say I was a he/she. I was wearing a dress so they knew I was a woman. How many WN men wear dresses? I admit it wasn’t the best picture and I am overweight. I found that there is very little real respect, honor and protection of White women by White Nationalist men.

    It isn’t only White Nationalist men who have forgotten to respect, honor and protect women, but all men in general. I wonder if compassion lives in Progressive men, because I asked a Progressive for help once, when I was in a very bad abusive situation and without asking me one question, he said ” it wasn’t my problem”. That didn’t show respect, honor or protection to a woman/girl…

    What is an old fashion girl supposed to do, when she lives in a world, where men have forgotten how to be real men to honor, respect, and protect us old fashion girls who need a protector in this life and a safe place to hide from evil, from time to time?

    Women have forgotten to be real women too. I have heard stories from men who try and open a door for a girl and she blasts them for being a gentlemen. She refuses to let the man ask her what she wants and then order for both of them. These were things my dad taught me. I also open the door for the man, as the man is supposed to open your door first and as he is walking around the car I open the door for him. That used to be a test to see if the girl was a nice girl who would not be selfish and only think of herself and not you and your needs too.

    So while White Nationalist men are not the only ones who have made my life hell, they are still part of that hell.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    I notice that you almost have a sort of crusade against White Nationalism. I just want to know why? I myself am a and I hope one day we can secure ourselves a homeland we don’t have to worry about the possibility of someone committing genocide against us. If you feel whites can live in this current environment, do you ever worry that our precious people might be destroyed? Both genetically and financially? ( John said)

    As you can see I am slowly working my way through your comment.

    I never really thought of it as a ” crusade ” but thinking about it, maybe I do have a crusade against White Nationalism. I am willing to ponder on that thought and see if it rings true.

    I think in my previous replies I have answered the reason why I fight my crusade against White Nationalism and why I think it is evil..

    I also have a crusade against those who sexually abuse children because I was a victim of child sexual abuse which I am part of a survivors group now. I think we tend to fight when we have been personally effected by someone or something.

    You see I know first hand White Nationalism is not a JOKE!!

    You say you are a separatist and only want a White Homeland where you can live in peace and not have to worry about a genocide happening to the White race. I have met many separatist within White Nationalism and the Christian Patriot Movment who say they don’t wish any evil to any other race, but what to be free to live seperate with only Whites. Jeff was a part of that separatist movement as was Randy Weaver. He knew people that went up to Ruby Ridge when it was happening. Jeff was part of all that and even spent a few years in prison after I left him.

    Are you a Christian Patriot and part of that movment that was popular during the 90’s? Are you CI like Jeff? He is a CI Pastor in OR. There are a lot of CI people in White Nationalism too.

    Am starting to ramble now, so will bring it back to the question.

    No, I don’t want the White race destroyed. I don’t want any race destroyed by genocide. I love and am proud of my ethnic groups and think everyone human being should be proud of their race and ethnic groups. That they should be allowed to pass their traditions and heritage on to the next generation. I used to be very active in the Celtic Games, because I believe that we must preserve our Celtic ( Irish/Scottish ) culture and not let it be destroyed off the face of the earth. We Celts are a great race. As great as I think we Celts are, I don’t think we are better then other races.

    There is nothing wrong with Celtic people wanting to marry other Celtic people or Italians marrying other Italians, or Mexicans wanting to marry other Mexicans or African Americans wanting to marry other African Americans. etc. It shouldn’t make one racist to want to marry their within their own ethnic group to preserve that ethnic group and pass on the genes of that ethnic group to another generation.

    I believe that there will always be people who will decide to marry within their own ethnic group and race, so I don’t think the threat is as bad as White Nationalists make it out to be. I believe the majority of people marry within their own race.

    I also don’t understand how White Nationalists feel it is impossible for them to live in the same neighborhood as a Non White. Just because someone is Non White, doesn’t mean they are bad neighbors and are out to kill and destroy the White Race off the face of the earth.

    We have a Black family living in the villa’s now. They are nice and the woman likes to decorate for the seaons like most women I know. They are friendly, quiet, and are not seeking to murder their White neighbors in our beds as we sleep, lol.

    Does it become the end of Sun Lakes because we have Black families living here now?

    Why can’t White Nationalist accept that Non Whites can be good neighbors too. They want the same thing for their children as White people, in that every parent wants to see their children do better in life then they did.

    In Playa Del Rey where I lived in the early 60’s we had a Black Cleaning lady who was from Watts. She and her husband worked very hard to make sure their children got a good education, which they did.

    In Salina, there was a Black man that went to our church named George Sanders who was a real blessing and a gentlemen. Anne told me he died. Was sorry to hear that, as he was a very good man, who was loved and respected by all.

    I don’t judge people by the color of their skin, but by their heart.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Can you explain to me more what you experience in the movement was like (or a link if its already on here) that made you leave? (John said)

    It only took me two days to answer your comments. After I finish this I need to go to the store.

    I have been involved in many different aspects of White Nationalism.. Was in the NA for a time, before it fell apart. Were you ever in the NA?

    I knew Kevin Strom at one point and his wife. I really liked her and was sorry to hear about the difficult time she went through. I hope she is doing ok now. I will not allow anyone to bash her on my blog, and she is welcome to comment here if she wants…

    I talked briefly about my time with Jeff and the Christian Patriot/CI part of White Nationalism.

    White Nationalism is one big umbrella term of small groups who work together to secure a future for the White race and White children. Within that big tent you have skinheads, KKK, NA and other groups, Christian Patriot and CI groups, and even Pagan groups.

    I know the Political end of White Nationalism, which many White Nationalists deny even exists within White Nationalism. It exists and it has to exist or as I was taught, if one is not working to gain POLITICAL POWER they are wasting their TIME AND ENERGY.

    I am not going to give you a big laundry list of my experience or people I knew and worked with in White Nationalism. I will only say, that I have knowledge and I don’t base my judgment based on the hear say of reporters who don’t really know what is happening because they are not living in the White Nationalist WORLD.

    May I ask you to list your experience with in White Nationalism. I would like to hear more of the groups you have been with and the people you knew. You mentioned Stormfront. Did you ever meet Don Black in person or other people from Stormfront? Alot of the mods at Stormfront were my friends in life. They showed me compassion and helped me when someone who I had hoped would help me, refused me a safe place to stay for a small amount of time to heal and get my strength back. White Nationalists showed me more compassion then the couple who is Progressive I knew in Marshfield. They were the only Progressives I knew in my real life.

    Yet, I left WN because Politically I can’t believe what White Nationalists believe and I was faced with the choice of do I choose love of friend over my duty, that I was taught by my dad? I chose DUTY!!! This Polital Daughter of the American Revolution chose DUTY! I think my dad and child hero are proud of me for trying to seek peace and talk to my old friend!

    In the end, I chose to try and make peace with my Progressive friend who lacks compassion, but who I feel I am more in line with Politically. I really want to talk to him so he can help me decide what the best path to take is, regarding White Nationalism and the best way to do what I must do, because after all duty first, duty second and duty third was ingrained me.

    We haven’t made peace yet, so I haven’t had a chance to talk to him about White Nationalism and other topics we must talk about. Not giving up though.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John, I approved your comment and am answering you.

    The reason I asked you about who your hero is, is because I feel that they influence us and how we view and think in life. We might not agree 100% with them but they influence us and our thoughts.

    I too am proud of my ancestors. On my dad’s side in Scotland we were Jacobites and were Catholic who fought for Bonnie Prince Charlie. It is proud I am to have MacDonald blood running through my veins and I admire Flora MacDonald so much for her courage, honor, and strength in helping the Prince escape and then facing the wrath of the English. She was held prisoner but never betrayed her Prince.

    On my mother’s side they come down from the Mayflower and Sons and Daughters of the American Revolution.

    Everyone should be proud of their ancestors and blood line. It is what makes us who we are.

    Though I also have men and women who are not of my bloodline who I admire and hold out to be heroes.. Not only is Robert Kennedy, but Winston Churchill is another hero of mine. Many White Nationalists HATE Chruchill as much as Kennedy. I guess I am a sucker for punishment, lol.

    You mentioned George Washington. We actually agree that he was a great man.

    “As for your second point though I do think it is morally right to shun someone who marries someone of a different race. Maybe not on a personal level, but on an ideological one. They simply cannot live in the same nation as whites who want to preserve and protect their own people. They should live in “Diversity Land” while the other more careful whites live in our homeland. Love is an emotion, and like all emotions it should be tempered with reason. Race isn’t something that is skin deep. Race is genetics and the way one thinks, behaves and learns is all apart of race. He is your nephew and you can deal with him as you want. As for me he simply has only contributed to the problem instead of the solution. He has no place in a white homeland. ” ( John said)

    So because my nephew fell in love with and married a great girl who just happens to be Asian and not European he should be shunned from you White homeland?

    I don’t feel it is a problem to meet someone who you fall in love with you loves you too and you both decide to marry and start a family of your own.. Just because others don’t like your choice of choosing someone who is different then you, doesn’t make it wrong…

    This was the mindset my mother had. She had a hard time accepting people that were different then her and she would say some mean things. People fall in love not asking themselves is the person like me.. We can fall in love with someone who is White, but who holds a different political view and that couple has to go through hell because some people think it is the end of the world if their child were to fall in love with a Democrat or someone who is Conservative if the family is Liberal. You can have two Whites of different religions who fall in love and to some in the family it is the end of the world because their child is marrying a Catholic, Jew, or even a Pagan.

    My mother once bragged to me that she broke up my sister’s first boyfriend Hep because she didn’t like him. I don’t think my sister knows this, but our mother felt very proud of herself for making sure she didn’t end up with this person. My mother made my life hell because she didn’t like the person I love. You see Hep was a Catholic and she couldn’t stand it. I am Catholic and my mother didn’t like it very much. The man who I fell in love with is a Liberal Democrat, and my mother was a Republican who didn’t like Democrats with a passion.

    While I am just happy that my nephew found a wonderful girl to marry and start a family with, I know in the White Nationalist world he is considered a race traitor who should be shunned.. Lucky for him, he lives in Hawaii and he doesn’t have to deal with narrow minded people who consider him a disgrace to the White race. My nephew will never be living in the South and have to deal first hand with the treatment I know he will receive from people in the South who feel it is a crime to marry someone different then you.

    First I want to make it very clear I am not suggesting making peace with you, nor working with White Nationalists on anything. I am trying to make peace with my Liberal Progressive friend in MA so that we can work together to fight White Nationalists. Together we would be a very powerful force fighting you White Nationalists. J is who I am seeking to make peace with and who I want to work together with in fighting White Nationalism.

    Second I can assure my father and my hero Robert F. Kennedy would be for J and I making peace, talking through all the lies and misunderstandings, and my talking to J about White Nationalism so that J and I can join forces and with knowledge do our DUTY as people who have both taken an oath to defend this nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. I took my oath as a Daughter of the American Revolution. He took a similiar oath.. We were both raised as soldiers who were taught duty first, duty second, and duty third. We both have a duty to fight White Nationalism. So talking to J and giving him the knowledge to do his duty.. Making sure J has all the tools he needs to fight and win is my duty as a Political Daughter of the American Revolution.

    “a counter-question to what you wrote.

    Your reason is flawless in that it does explain why you believe what you believe. However it does beg the question: why are you so devoted to Robert Kennedy?

    If you stop and think about it, if Robert Kennedy was a part of the kind of people who produced all this crap we see around us, is he simply not a part of the problem?

    All those democrat (and republican) bastards who gave us multiculturalism, race mixing, political correctness (which causes people to be locked up in Europe for homeschooling, holocaust denial, free speech against immigrants invading their homeland as well as in NA with regards to preventing whites from speaking out against evil), feminism, homosexual perversion being in the public sphere, porn being in the public sphere, and all other kinds of nonsense are evil people.

    It is easy to kick the underdog (pro-whites) when they are down and everyone else is kicking them. However it is a more heroic thing to try and stop the abuse from happening. I can guarantee you that men like Robert Kennedy would give you a swift boot to the face for simply suggesting peace and cooperation with us.” ( John said)

    Why am I so devoted to Robert F Kennedy?

    I chose him to be my hero at five years old. He was AG then of the United States. I saw many of the same qualities in me that I wanted to develop more in me, in him. I saw he too had courage. I have courage. I saw he had strength to stand for what he felt was morally right, I do do that. He was honest, and I tend to be honest, which can piss people off. He was a good warrior and I am a good warrior. I loved him because I felt he was a great man who would do great things. He loved children and children loved him.

    I can’t tell you what his policies were at five. I only know that I loved the man he was because I saw myself in him. I think people are drawn to people who have some of the same qualities in them.

    Yes, I know many people on the right HATE him. I have been judged harshly all my life for choosing him and his brother John to be my two American heroes. Yet, being abused over them, only made my love and devotion stronger.

    I can see from a White Nationalist point of view where my hero was a problem to you. You White Nationalists want and ALL WHITE HOMELAND and Robert F. Kennedy believed in an AMERICA that treated all AMERICANS AS EQUAL CITIZENS.

    I guess where you see Robert Kennedy as a problem because he fought against your attitude of an all White America seperated from Non Whites, I see his attitude and fight for Civil Rights for all AMERICANS as the right and honorable thing to do.

    I really don’t think my hero Bobby Kennedy would be angry at me. He would be angry for me and with me. He would be angry of all the hell I have been put through in my life and be angry at White Nationalists for putting me through some of that hell.

    I believe like my father he is proud of me for seeking peace with my Liberal Democrat friend my mother hated with a passion for a couple of reasons, because she was more like you in her thoughts. I believe they want me to talk to J and tell him all about White Nationalism and give him the knowledge he needs to do his duty and fight White Nationalism..

    We are still fighting for Civil Rights in this country, against people who want to live in an all White Homeland seperate from anyone who is different then them in race, political view, religion, or choice of person they fall in love with and marry.

    I know I am not explaining this very well.

    I just don’t see where my hero would want to give me a swift kick to my face for having the courage to leave White Nationalism, seeking to make peace with my old friend J, and telling him about White Nationalism so he has the knowledge and tools to fight the evil of White Nationalism as my hero fought against the same evil, though under a different name, back in the early 60’s.

    Robert Kennedy stood with the freedom fighters. I believe that my hero would want my old friend J to stand with me and others who have the courage to leave and tell him what we know so he can do his duty and keep the oath he made to this country. So I really don’t see why my hero would be angry at me. I would hope he would be happy with me, but angry at the people who his anger should be directed at. I can assure you he would not direct his anger toward me and would not want J to direct his anger toward me, but to use that anger he feels to channel it to fight White Nationalism.

    Oh, I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I am no party perference because I think both parties are corrupted and lie. I don’t like liars.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    Well it’s a common thing in Northern European societies to equate blonde hair with beauty. However she was 11 and kids can be mean to one another.

    I am sorry that you endured such nonsense as a child. Brown hair and
    brown eyes = ugly? that is pretty subjective. I typically prefer non-blondes myself and eye colour I couldn’t care less about.

    Those men are hypocrites and scum. As a fellow white person (specifically northern European too!) in Wnism you should feel valued and respected. Were they WN or NS?I do not find people like that representative of the entire movement at all. Very little do I find people I can actually empathize with. I would have stood up for you back then but I wasn’t involved yet.

    I don’t know what a Christian patriot is. I have never heard of that term before to be honest. I am a traditional Christian, sort of, not CI. I don’t believe in that personally.

    Comment on non-whites in society/interracialcultural marriage.

    You don’t have to have bad non-white people living in your society to have it ruined by multiculturalism. The fact that they have a different culture, way of thinking and significant genetic difference is enough. Interracial marriage is harmful because it gets rid of or makes recessive the genes of the more recessive partner which is the white partner. The child will result in being inferior to both parents in genetic capability.

    If you ask those black neighbors that if the white neighbors asked them to leave or conform to the white American culture that they would say “Sure as long as we get to keep all we have worked for”? no they wouldn’t because they don’t care about your genetics or your race’s well being, only their own.

    I don’t even see why the fact your nephew shouldn’t be allowed to live in a white homeland. It seems he doesn’t want to anyway. He chose the oriental woman. Love is quite abstract and he could have easily fallen in love with a white woman (like he probably did in the past) so it’s not a hollywood matter of love triumphs all adversity.

    I pretty much associate myself with counter-currents and some of the people there. I consider myself a “New-Right” White Separatist. Greg Johnson, Matt Parrot, Jack Donavon, Ramzpaul, and Horus the Avenger are my favourite WNists. I like David Duke as well but he is older and not much of a revolutionary these days (and I mean that in a political not military way). I like these guys because they understand what it’s like to be white in North America. They aren’t so greying Baby boomer or old Gen X whose idea of America is still rooted in the 1950s and 60s. We know those days are gone and we can see that all around us. The Cultural Marxists are parodies of themselves and we hardly need to write jokes to confront them. No disrespect but you didn’t grow up in this crap Kennedy had a hand in. Nor were the WNists you know anything but leftovers from the crazy skinhead days of the 80s.

    My experiences with Stormfront have been generally negative in that the moderators are biased towards anti-British, anti-Christian attitudes and Don Black has his hands in everyone’s wallets. His son is a bit of a libertarian wuss now and the whole site changed from a “one side of the spectrum to the other” forum for WNists to discuss ideas to a sort “Presentable Libertarian WNist” forum.

    I have met with some WNists off stormfront but online and some in real life. Of the I am going to say 4 or 5 I met in real life I only really liked one. The others were skinheads or ex skinheads. There really isn’t that much of a movement where I live. Online I have seen various types of WNists some I completely disapprove of carrying the name (Libertarians, ones okay with race mixing, ones okay with homosexuality or feminism).

    I don’t like Neo-Nazis so I never joined or have been apart of any movement that has any sort of related symbolism. I never really liked the NA from what I heard and read as Pierce seemed to dislike the KKK which, from who I have spoken with, seem to be some of the nicest people. Pierce also believed in a weird religious belief and seemed to be incredibly aggressive in his podcasts. Don’t like the NSM or the ANSWP by Bill White. Not sure what other groups to talk about.

    Most WNists who hate Churchill are German-American fanatics and Neo-Nazis. I have a neutral disposition towards Churchill. Most WNists
    dislike Roosevelt and Stalin the most during that war. Churchill sort of
    did what he had to do.

    First and second points you make:

    If you don’t want to make peace with WNists or WNism then you are saying you don’t care about the future of whites at all :S. Furthermore you specifically say me. What did my ancestors do to warrant our destruction and hatred in this society? What have I done? What have my future children done? You go after and want to hunt down men and women who only want to preserve and protect their families from cultural marxism and multiculturalism for what? for some abstract duty to a country that NOT AT ALL bears any resemblance to it’s founding populace? Calling our desire to leave the United States as being “Enemies”. This makes me lose almost all empathy for what you have gone through because you hate me, my family, my line and my people all because I don’t want to conform to your ideology. I don’t hate you. I don’t hate your nephew. I don’t hate some cultural marxist out in California having an interracial sex orgy with both a man and a woman. I simply want to be left alone to live among my own people, free of the tyranny of a cultural marxist government that seeks to destroy us.

    What I think of Bobby Kennedy and why he is irrelevant.

    I respected George Washington because he was a wealthy man. He had the chance to not be involved but decided to put his skills and wealth in the service of his country. His country, mind you, that began as a small political movement oppressed by a foreign entity that laid ownership to those people’s lands. General Washington gave up everything to fight for a free America. He was given the chance to be King but refused it. He was given the chance to be President for life but instead gave it up. He was a Freemason and could have spread that fully across America if he wanted but it was only a private part of his life. Washington was a great man because he devoted himself to the concept of freedom and liberty. He took no bias and gave to the country that which they needed. He could have taken more, he could have forced his own beliefs on society but instead submitted to congress and the people every time.

    Robert Kennedy is essentially a nobody in the course of history on a personal level. Some older people may remember him but most younger people don’t really care unless they are studying history. Robert Kennedy forced his beliefs on America. Instead of, like Washington, bowing to the American people or introducing radical laws by referendum, He introduced top down legislature through the government and had a fairly large hand in ruining the freedoms that existed. I don’t feel strongly against Robert Kennedy. He was a stooge and a traitor and I pay as much attention to him as I do benedict arnold. If you are taken in by some man’s Charisma at age 5 and make him your life long hero because, I guess he SEEMED noble then good for you.

    I only have to ask why. Why do you hate us for no reason whatsoever? You seem like an okay person yet you insist on making me your enemy. The only thing I can say against you (and I believe I speak for all WNists when I say this) is that I don’t care what you do in your personal life or believe personally. However I won’t ever let you come after me or my family without a fight.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Dear John,

    Approved your comment. My sister is here and we are busy with getting the house ready to put on the market to sell and other things dealing with my mother’s death, so like before I will have to take a little bit at a time. It might take me a couple of days..

    “Those men are hypocrites and scum. As a fellow white person (specifically northern European too!) in Wnism you should feel valued and respected. Were they WN or NS?I do not find people like that representative of the entire movement at all. Very little do I find people I can actually empathize with. I would have stood up for you back then but I wasn’t involved yet.” ( John said)

    Thank you for saying you would have stood up for me.. That is the sign of a true gentlemen. That is one thing I can say good about the men I met through Stormfront in that they helped a girl in distress, when a Progressive man said without asking one question to her request for help when needed, ” IT ISN’T MY PROBLEM.”

    I am reaching out to another Progressive man, with the hopes that this one has more compassion and kindness to me, and who will join me in my Cause I fight for with a passion. I have to believe that even though I haven’t seen compassion in Progressive men, that it is there somwhere, lol.

    The men I am talking about where White Nationalist though Christian Idenitity, and some were National Socialist White Nationalist. White Nationalism is a term that includes every group and person who is working toward 14 words. In my own words the thought of the 14 words is to secure a better future for White children.

    Not all White Nationalists are CI or NS. Yet, all CI and NS are White Nationalist under the general term of White Nationalism. As different as Stormfront and VNN are they are both White Nationalist Forums because they are fighting for White Pride World Wide, which is another slogan use by White Nationalists.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Last secton I can take this morning. We have a full day ahead with interviwing real estate agents and my childhood sexual survivor’s group. So maybe tonight I can take another little section for comment.

    “I don’t know what a Christian patriot is. I have never heard of that term before to be honest. I am a traditional Christian, sort of, not CI. I don’t believe in that personally.” ( John said)

    The Christian Patriot Movement was big in the 90’s. Randy Weaver was involved in that movement back then. A lot of CI people were involved in the Christian Patriot Movement. Like many groups, they change their names and try to re-invent themselves, but they still have the same mindset.

    I didn’t couldn’t believe in CI… Jeff my ex, was a CI Pastor in Oregon. I didn’t buy that the Jews were the children of Satan. He believed the single seedline belief where as the Aryan Nations Church which is also CI beleived in the double seedline belief. Both believed that the Jews were the children of satan, rather if it was through the single bloodline or double bloodline. I used to have all of that stuff that Jeff had given me to study as he tried to turn me into one of them. Over the years with each move I have thrown it away. Weeding out the toxic in my life, and trying to move forward toward a better life free from the wacked out beliefs of Jeff and CI…

    I am a confirmed Catholic but I am not active in the church right now. I have Wiccan friends who I hang out with, and I like the way they honor the earth and respect the earth. Also like the Celtic Myths as I have Scottish/Irish blood running through my veins. I still believe in Jesus and Mary and the Catholic deity, but like the way the earth is valued and respected in Wicca.

    Will work on answering you more later.

    Chrisy

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Good morning John,

    I will try and finish up commenting on your comment today, but with my sister here and tons of things to do today, this might be the only time I have to respond to you today.

    “You don’t have to have bad non-white people living in your society to have it ruined by multiculturalism. The fact that they have a different culture, way of thinking and significant genetic difference is enough. Interracial marriage is harmful because it gets rid of or makes recessive the genes of the more recessive partner which is the white partner. The child will result in being inferior to both parents in genetic capability.

    If you ask those black neighbors that if the white neighbors asked them to leave or conform to the white American culture that they would say “Sure as long as we get to keep all we have worked for”? no they wouldn’t because they don’t care about your genetics or your race’s well being, only their own.

    I don’t even see why the fact your nephew shouldn’t be allowed to live in a white homeland. It seems he doesn’t want to anyway. He chose the oriental woman. Love is quite abstract and he could have easily fallen in love with a white woman (like he probably did in the past) so it’s not a hollywood matter of love triumphs all adversity” (John said)

    Let me see if I am understanding you right, so you are saying just because they are born Black or Non White that they are not welcome in a White Homeland? So it doesn’t matter if they have great moral character, wisdom, adn would be an asset to the community?

    I don’t believe you choose to fall in love with a person, I believe many times it just happens. One can fall in love with another White person who is of a different Political view and Party or Religion and the family of one or both of the people doesn’t accept the match and does everything in their power to break up that relationship. It doesn’t have to be just marriage, it can be just a friendship. Remember there are many different kinds of love, and friendship is included in a love relationship.

    “I pretty much associate myself with counter-currents and some of the people there. I consider myself a “New-Right” White Separatist. Greg Johnson, Matt Parrot, Jack Donavon, Ramzpaul, and Horus the Avenger are my favourite WNists. I like David Duke as well but he is older and not much of a revolutionary these days (and I mean that in a political not military way). I like these guys because they understand what it’s like to be white in North America. They aren’t so greying Baby boomer or old Gen X whose idea of America is still rooted in the 1950s and 60s. We know those days are gone and we can see that all around us. The Cultural Marxists are parodies of themselves and we hardly need to write jokes to confront them. No disrespect but you didn’t grow up in this crap Kennedy had a hand in. Nor were the WNists you know anything but leftovers from the crazy skinhead days of the 80s. ” ( John says)

    I know the old guard of White Nationalist Leaders like David Duke. The people you mentioned I do not know. I knew young people in the NA who were very bright and not some left overs from the crazy skinhead days. The young men I knew were very smart, dedicated and were out there in real life working to bring their White Nationalist beliefs into reality and they brought many people of all different ages into the NA or whatever group they were working under, once the NA folded.

    You see the things that Robert F. Kennedy stood for and worked for as “crap”, but I see them as words of wisdom… What is wrong with wanting all Americans to have equal rights?

    Did my childhood hero make mistakes? Yes, and I believe if he were still alive, he would be the first to admit his mistakes and then seek to make things right. I know at some point, he realized the Viet Nam War was wrong and worked to bring the troops home.

    ” My experiences with Stormfront have been generally negative in that the moderators are biased towards anti-British, anti-Christian attitudes and Don Black has his hands in everyone’s wallets. His son is a bit of a libertarian wuss now and the whole site changed from a “one side of the spectrum to the other” forum for WNists to discuss ideas to a sort “Presentable Libertarian WNist” forum. ” ( John said)

    This will have to be the last section for now, as my sister is calling me and I need to do things before the real estate agent we are interviewing today arrives.

    I have met Derek Black and person and I think he is a wonderful young man. I knew him when he was still a teen in 2004 an 2005 at the Euro conferences. We had wonderful conversation and he has a wonderful sense of humor so we shared laughs. He was a good kid. I haven’t see him since 2005 as I left in 2006. I am sure he has grown into a man now.

    I also don’t feel Don Black is just seeking to line his pockets as some White Nationalists think he is. Don Black is very dedicated to the Cause. People that I considered friends knew him in person and were close to him for many years. Don Black is a very kind man with a good heart, as I saw how he treated someone who was a close and loyal friend to him for many years. Funny, how I am still defending Don and Derek Black and Jack Boot and some of the others I met in person, and I am no longer a White Nationalist but are in fact fighting them. I believe in truth and being honest.

    I remember in 2004 Don Black talked about why he started Stormfront, his goals, and the results. Stormfront has achieved more then he ever dreamed up in that it has been a great site to get their message out and to bring new people into White Nationalism. They go to the site and sign up and become friends with people there and slowly come to believe in White Nationalism. Then at a later day they move from online into real life White Nationalism.

    I never had a problem with the mods there and having posts deleted… I just followed the few simple rules when posting.

    The costs of keeping Stormfront up and running are quite high. He has to fight against cyber attacks daily, needs back up site, and with the increased traffic to the site needs to increase his bandwidth. All these things cost money. So I don’t see a problem with him having substaining members and asking for donations. People can still join for free and post there. PBS asks for donations to keep their stations running. So why is it so terrible that Don Black asks for donations to keep Stormfront up and running? You should be happy that Stormfront is there… You might not like Stormfront and think they are a bunch of wimps, but they are bringing people into White Nationalism 101…

    Will continue on either later tonight or tomorrow.

    Chrisy

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Last part of your letter..

    “Robert Kennedy is essentially a nobody in the course of history on a personal level. Some older people may remember him but most younger people don’t really care unless they are studying history. Robert Kennedy forced his beliefs on America. Instead of, like Washington, bowing to the American people or introducing radical laws by referendum, He introduced top down legislature through the government and had a fairly large hand in ruining the freedoms that existed. I don’t feel strongly against Robert Kennedy. He was a stooge and a traitor and I pay as much attention to him as I do benedict arnold. If you are taken in by some man’s Charisma at age 5 and make him your life long hero because, I guess he SEEMED noble then good for you.

    I only have to ask why. Why do you hate us for no reason whatsoever? You seem like an okay person yet you insist on making me your enemy. The only thing I can say against you (and I believe I speak for all WNists when I say this) is that I don’t care what you do in your personal life or believe personally. However I won’t ever let you come after me or my family without a fight.” ( John said)

    First of all I don’t HATE you or your family as people. I DON’T HATE ANYONE. I fight against your POLITICAL VIEWS, as White Nationalism is POLITICAL, inspite of people saying it is only a heritage group. If you are not working to gain POLITICAL POWER TO BRING YOUR VIEW OF THE WORLD INTO POWER THEN YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND ENGERY. I learned that at Euro 2004.

    I met a lot of dedicated people in the NA.. Some were older and some were young. I am not going to get into a discussion with you why some within White Nationalism feel the KKK developed into a joke and why they decided to join the NA instead.

    Robert F. Kennedy was a great man. Was he perfect? No, but no one is perfect. You say he was just a blimp in History. I disagree… As AG he went after the mafia. He had the courage to fight their trying to control the government. It has been a long time since I have read his book the enemy from within, but he talks about the growing threat at the time of the Mafia buying Government off. Robert F. Kennedy also fought against Commuism.. He loved this nation very much and believed in the Consitution of the United States. I remember hearing the story how a Judge in CA was denying people rights from the Consitution and he spoke up and defended them. He fought for those who couldn’t speak up for themselves. He fought for those who needed help.. He had courage and strength and could fight evil, but he also had compassion and kindness toward those who were suffering and in pain in this world. The world is a lot worst off because He was murdered and he wasn’t in it anymore.

    I am 54 so to you I am one of the old people who loved and admired him. I don’t respect those in Government today like I did President and Bobby Kennedy.

    You can’t tell me he was just a blump in the History of this nation. I don’t believe that.

    This quote is from the book Make gentle the life of this world. It was in Robert Kennedy’s date book and is from another one of my hero’s President Kennedy.

    ” History has placed us all, Northerner and Southerner, Black and White, within a common border and under a common Law. All of us, from the wealthiest and most powerful of men, to the weakest and hungriest of children, share one precious possession: the name AMERICAN.” ( President John F. Kennedy)

    How can you call yourselves American and true American Patriots if you would deny to another American, who just happens to not be White, the same rights as you would have in this homeland?

    No one is trying to kill you or your family. I am not trying to kill you or your family..I may not like your beliefs regarding Jews and other topics, but I don’t want to murder you for those beliefs.

    You talk about Washington.. We can all agree that Washington was a great man. Conservative, White Nationalist, Progressive, Libertarian and Liberal think that George Washington was a great man and a great American.

    I fight your White Nationalist IDEAS…

    You are young John. I hope someday you will see the truth and wake up to that truth that HATE of others is not the answer.

    Yes, I would like to see White Nationalist women leave White Nationalism. I make no serect of that.

    I am a very old fashion woman and not a feminist so let us get that straight. I believe in traditonal role models and hope to find the right man someday who will love, honor and protect me, who I can love, honor and obey. Not to many woman today are willing to say the word OBEY.

    I believe that men and women have very important roles to play. Our roles our different but just as important to the smooth running of the family. Who ever I marry, I hope that we will share the same dream, but accept we both have a different role to play in making that dream a reality. Both are just as important as the other one..

    One misconception I see with White Nationalists is that they believe and repeat over and over and over, that if anyone is anti White Nationalist they are anti White and out to KILL WHITES. That is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is insane to me, that thought that if you are against the White Nationalist view point that you are out to kill and murder WHITES.

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    John Says:

    I don’t like doing quoting but I guess it makes things easier.

    “Let me see if I am understanding you right, so you are saying just because they are born Black or Non White that they are not welcome in a White Homeland? So it doesn’t matter if they have great moral character, wisdom, adn would be an asset to the community?”

    Well first you assess who is “the community”. Do you mean the community of the human species in the given area? the community or a type of human? a community of a specific group of people?

    On the subject of a theoretical White Homeland, yes just because they are born that way they should not be welcome in the sense of being allowed to live and flourish there. Now tourism and travel aside, there would be no reason. It would be like if Ireland immigrated millions of Chinese people to help in say an economic boom for the country. It doesn’t matter really how hard working those people are they are still a threat to Irish existence because of their demographics. The Irish homeland should be for the Irish and it’s people should be free from colonization and invasion. To say otherwise is to support imperialism of the worst kind that will end up destroying not only the genetic identity of the Irish but also the culture. A white homeland can only remain a white homeland as long as it is white.

    On your point about the NA and me saying what Robert Kennedy did was crap:

    I don’t think you understand the scope of modern day White Nationalism. A lot of people have grown up without the NA being a basis for their beliefs. Without Nazism or any traditional 80s white nationalism had. When you say you are against and hate white nationalism, and then bring up the old WNists it makes me wonder. Do you hate White Nationalism or do you hate Christian Identity and National Socialism? If it were the latter I can grant that as understandable, but to oppose all WNism makes you come across as genocidal :S

    As for Robert Kennedy’s Civil Rights activism, it really comes down to definitions again. He saw black American citizens as more American than white Americans. I cannot respect any politician who introduces major changes to the laws of America that radical depart from the constitution without consulting the U.S. citizenry first and conducting a referendum. Furthermore it was either him or his brother who said changing the immigration laws will not radically change the make up of America. We now see that they are either liars or ignorant, none of which a politician should be.

    My issues with SF I guess are different from yours. Don Black asks for more money than he actually needs. He then uses that money to sell his “brand” of Wnism. Back in 2004 (I joined in 2006) SF was more or less an actual WNist site. People from all over the spectrum came there, were allowed to post freely and had ideas harshly challenged. Back then before super rules came out banning images etc. people who were hardcore atheists, race mixers, homosexuals, feminists that were Wnists were harshly given their comeuppance. No banning process was involved and everyone got to see the arguments put forth. people who hated Christianity, Men who thought it was okay to marry asians but not blacks, people who thought that homosexuality was okay (some would even argue a natural part of a warrior culture :S) etc. All fell to the reason of the posters. However once Don Black started wanting to repackage SF then things got worse. The people who posted got dumber, the intelligent or honest people were banned and the site got repackaged for a Libertarian “Unity” focused WNism. Don Black donated money (he no doubt got from SF) to Ron Paul and the site went nuts for a guy who honestly opposed Wnism in every way.

    It’s okay if you like Don Black and the mods, however I think the site is dumbed down compared to other stuff that might be better for people to learn from, such as counter-currents or other alternative right stuff.
    Stuff that isn’t so Libertarian.

    If you do want to debate SF and want to give it a chance I want you to tell me how asking for 3000$ a month saying it is “because we owe money” and then after the goal is reached double it to about 6000$ the next 4-5 months saying the same thing and then keeping it as a standard is beneficial for the common WN man or woman. He doesn’t like to talk about where the money goes but we all know it goes to his pockets, but mostly goes to his stupid radio show that can only be broadcasted at an obscure location in florida that comes to a total of 2500 a month. He has said before he’d rather cut the site than the radio show, because I’d wager it’s his son’s part time job. His son who, when asked by people at his college about his political beliefs he said he is not about hate, then added this statement:

    “If anyone cares,” he added, “I’m also pro-choice (regulated by states), pro-gay marriage (with gov’t not defining marriage between people), and anti-death penalty (regulated by the states).”

    Pro-Choice, and Pro-Gay marriage. His only problem is with the government regulation. He is a Libertarian and I’d wager his father is not much different. Why would I want to pay for a Libertarian to talk on radio I don’t listen to?

    This goes back to the Old WNism Vs New WNism. I subscribe to the latter group where it’s more about reason and the white race’s place in the world. Not about playing the political game. About playing “practical politics” as opposed to trying to be “presentable” but then have druken heiling sessions. Derek Black and indeed the Gaede Girls Lamb and Lynx are children of the Old WNism which is why they can leave it. Same with why I feel you can leave it. If you gave the real WNism, the one practiced increasingly these days that emphasize our true culture and our true right to exist using reason and not anger, a chance I bet you would come to at least respect us if not agree.

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    John Says:

    Now to address your final message. I am going to piecemeal your quotes for an easier response.

    “First of all I don’t HATE you or your family as people. I DON’T HATE ANYONE. I fight against your POLITICAL VIEWS, as White Nationalism is POLITICAL, inspite of people saying it is only a heritage group. If you are not working to gain POLITICAL POWER TO BRING YOUR VIEW OF THE WORLD INTO POWER THEN YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND ENGERY. I learned that at Euro 2004.

    No one is trying to kill you or your family. I am not trying to kill you or your family..I may not like your beliefs regarding Jews and other topics, but I don’t want to murder you for those beliefs.

    I fight your White Nationalist IDEAS…

    You are young John. I hope someday you will see the truth and wake up to that truth that HATE of others is not the answer.
    One misconception I see with White Nationalists is that they believe and repeat over and over and over, that if anyone is anti White Nationalist they are anti White and out to KILL WHITES. That is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is insane to me, that thought that if you are against the White Nationalist view point that you are out to kill and murder WHITES.”

    What you learned at Euro 2004 is interesting to say the least. You claim that WNism isn’t about being a heritage group and I agree to an extent. However it only assumes political power out of defense against the hostile forces that want to see it’s various heritage groups destroyed. To quote Dr. Ignatiev

    “we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed,not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.”

    This is why WNism assumes any political form to prevent this from happening. No WNists wants to take over the world NO ONE if you should get that misconception.

    I never believe you want to murder me. I never belief any of these cultural marxists want to physical see my personal destruction. They want to create a system which will bring my genetic and or spiritual destruction. In fighting my White Nationalist ideas you are indeed fighting my very desire to see my family and my culture and race as a whole destroyed. Not merely deconstructed, but destroyed. I don’t HATE in a pure rage because of some vague thing that happened in the past, no. I am trying to protect myself and my family from YOU and people like YOU. People who feel that my life is a testing ground for all sorts of abstract ideals that may prove harmful, but at least you got to apply them. Concepts such as “love” and “Civil Rights” and “American Equality”. When I object to it and ask you to please leave me alone and let me live my life you point to me, shake your head and yell out “hateful racist!”.

    You see you are the villain of this story, not White Nationalists. Your the Soviet Army invading Ukraine and starving the populace in the name of human equality. You are the U.S. Army invading Vietnam in the name of democracy. You could choose not to or choose to attack a specific evil (such as hypocrisy) but instead you choose to vilify WNist ideals.

    What you are doing is simply trying to destroy whites under the pretense of benevolence. I’d rather you try to murder my physical body.

    Fact of the matter is you are anti-white.

    “Robert F. Kennedy was a great man. Was he perfect? No, but no one is perfect. You say he was just a blimp in History. I disagree… As AG he went after the mafia. He had the courage to fight their trying to control the government. It has been a long time since I have read his book the enemy from within, but he talks about the growing threat at the time of the Mafia buying Government off. Robert F. Kennedy also fought against Commuism.. He loved this nation very much and believed in the Consitution of the United States. I remember hearing the story how a Judge in CA was denying people rights from the Consitution and he spoke up and defended them. He fought for those who couldn’t speak up for themselves. He fought for those who needed help.. He had courage and strength and could fight evil, but he also had compassion and kindness toward those who were suffering and in pain in this world. The world is a lot worst off because He was murdered and he wasn’t in it anymore.

    I am 54 so to you I am one of the old people who loved and admired him. I don’t respect those in Government today like I did President and Bobby Kennedy.

    You can’t tell me he was just a blump in the History of this nation. I don’t believe that.

    This quote is from the book Make gentle the life of this world. It was in Robert Kennedy’s date book and is from another one of my hero’s President Kennedy.

    ” History has placed us all, Northerner and Southerner, Black and White, within a common border and under a common Law. All of us, from the wealthiest and most powerful of men, to the weakest and hungriest of children, share one precious possession: the name AMERICAN.” ( President John F. Kennedy)

    How can you call yourselves American and true American Patriots if you would deny to another American, who just happens to not be White, the same rights as you would have in this homeland”

    Well I did say so on a personal level he was insignificant. No one looks up to Bobby Kennedy like they do Washington.

    The larger topic here I wanted to address was the concept of “who is an American”. I want to dissect that quote.

    “History has placed us all,” I’ll get back to this

    “Northerner and Southerner,” Not by choice so that is right out the window there. The federal government forced the confederates to remain U.S. citizens despite what they wanted and of which NO founding father would have raised a musket against.

    “Black and White,” again not by choice. Black people were brought over on slave ships by mostly Jewish slavers and sold to mostly Jewish plantation owners. America was not founded with the ideal that blacks and whites were equally Americans though free blacks were allowed to live in America.

    “within a common border and under a common Law.” Totally against the wishes of pretty much everyone before and during the Civil War.

    “All of us, from the wealthiest and most powerful of men, to the weakest and hungriest of children,”

    Rich men who have loyalties to Israel, poor mexican children who will one day take the jobs away from a white man or woman. Just what Washington and the Continental army fought for.

    “share one precious possession: the name AMERICAN.”

    This precious possession most surely can’t be a name. No being American is more than a name or a geographical location. What is an American? You have to look back to it’s founding peoples, their documents, and their beliefs. Needless to say even the America of Bobby’s time was far removed from the America it’s founders intended.

    Back to the “History has placed us all,” part of it. History didn’t place anything. There is no fate or destiny that put anyone or any people in a position where that happened. It was the actions of the people before, the actions of the people now and the actions of the people to come that will determine a nation’s destiny. We all live in something called Pax Americana,The American Empire. The Monroe doctrine was put in place because that is precisely what the original spirit of America was about, isolationism not “being one with the world”. About freedom not “civil rights”. If a black man tells me he doesn’t want to eat in his restaurant I don’t. If a Chinese man tells me he doesn’t want me shopping at his store, I don’t. They should, as United States citizens, have the freedom to buy and sell to whomever they choose. Just like the freedom I have to associate with who I want, and to present my political viewpoints and to bear arms and protect myself against enemies. Instead the United States is in fact Un-American and represents Americans in name only. Robert Kennedy at best may have loved the United States, but he did not love or believe in America. True Americans of his time would have stood with the Southerners and Segregationists.

    “Yes, I would like to see White Nationalist women leave White Nationalism. I make no serect of that.

    I am a very old fashion woman and not a feminist so let us get that straight. I believe in traditonal role models and hope to find the right man someday who will love, honor and protect me, who I can love, honor and obey. Not to many woman today are willing to say the word OBEY.

    I believe that men and women have very important roles to play. Our roles our different but just as important to the smooth running of the family. Who ever I marry, I hope that we will share the same dream, but accept we both have a different role to play in making that dream a reality. Both are just as important as the other one..”

    I am not a feminist either and neither am I a Chauvinist. I believe women should be allowed to vote though (as through first wave feminism) but I don’t believe in Universal Suffrage. Ignorant men and women alike should not be allowed to vote.

    If you feel like you want to make WN women leave WNism go ahead. People who abandon truth for convenience were never really apart of it anyway.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John,

    I approved your comment. Today is my mother’s wake, so I will not start to reply to your comments until tomorrow afternoon, so please be patient. I also want to reflect and think about how I want to respond to you. I believe in talking to people and not at them.

    May I ask you if you really believe in your heart what you wrote? Do you from the heart really believe that anyone who may oppose and fight your ideas is out to murder the White Race off the face of the earth?

    You talk about the Civil War and how Lincoln was wrong to fight to keep the Union together. How any true American would have supported the Confederacy. Am not surprised that you feel that way. Most of the White Nationalists I knew were from the South and honored the Confederates. It was a terrible WAR and good men were killed on both sides. I think it is wrong when people dishonor the Confederate graves, because that WAR is part of our nation’s history. The Daughters of the Confederacy have to replace and repair the graves that vandals destroy, in the name of their fight against racism…

    Yes, what the Union Army did to the South was terrible.. Terrible things happen on both sides and innocent people on both sides suffered at the hands of the other side.

    Again, when I reply to your comment we can get into more detail about the Civil War and the right of the South to succeed and or the right of the North to keep the Union together.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Dear John,

    Good morning, I will start replying to your letter, though I won’t be finished by today as I have Coping group that I need to go to this morning.

    “On the subject of a theoretical White Homeland, yes just because they are born that way they should not be welcome in the sense of being allowed to live and flourish there. Now tourism and travel aside, there would be no reason. It would be like if Ireland immigrated millions of Chinese people to help in say an economic boom for the country. It doesn’t matter really how hard working those people are they are still a threat to Irish existence because of their demographics. The Irish homeland should be for the Irish and it’s people should be free from colonization and invasion. To say otherwise is to support imperialism of the worst kind that will end up destroying not only the genetic identity of the Irish but also the culture. A white homeland can only remain a white homeland as long as it is white.” ( John said)

    I am Celtic ( Scot/Irish) so it is interesting that you use Ireland as an example. You say Ireland should be for the Irish and it’s people and be free from colonization, does this mean you support a FREE IRELAND and want the BRITISH TO LEAVE IRELAND so that IRELAND CAN BE ONE COUNTRY?

    Many of us Celtic people dream of the day where there will be a FREE IRELAND AND SCOTLAND. Yet, I would think you wouldn’t support the Progressive Parties like the Sinn Fein and SNP who are in the forefront of fighting for a free Ireland and Scotland.

    Here is a link that talks about Sinn Fein:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in

    Their slogan is building an Ireland of Equals.

    They don’t believe in an all White Ireland like many White Nationalist believe, yet they fight for a FREE IRELAND THAT IS RULED BY THE IRISH PEOPLE.

    They consider themselves a Left Wing Political Party, which most White Nationalists I have met consider themselves a Right Wing Political Party.

    People in Ireland would fight against your idea of an only White Ireland based on the skin color.

    In my past life when I lived in New England and going to school there, I was friends with many other Celtic people who supported the fight for a FREE IRELAND. I collect flags and I knew people who proudly flew the FREE IRELAND FLAG. Since you believe in a free Ireland I don’t have to decribe to you the flag that so many would gladly die for to achieve that FREE IRELAND.

    ” As for Robert Kennedy’s Civil Rights activism, it really comes down to definitions again. He saw black American citizens as more American than white Americans. I cannot respect any politician who introduces major changes to the laws of America that radical depart from the constitution without consulting the U.S. citizenry first and conducting a referendum. Furthermore it was either him or his brother who said changing the immigration laws will not radically change the make up of America. We now see that they are either liars or ignorant, none of which a politician should be.” ( John said)

    I know in my heart you are wrong in thinking that Robert F Kennedy saw Blacks as more Americans then Whites. He didn’t look to the color of the skin to judge people, but looked into their heart and moral fiber. Did they have courage? Were they honest? Did they stand up and fight for what was morally right in this world? He would get very angry when people who were born in this country were denied their rights granted them in the U.S. Constitution.

    I agree with you that there are a lot of liars in Washington and the United States Government today, but it wasn’t President or Robert Kennedy who lied to the American people. I believe they were killed because they loved this country and saw the danger and would have fought against the enemies of this nation. They had courage and would have fought to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic and were murdered for it. You and I are not in the position to know what really happen. People who did are dead or dying by now, so we will never know the truth about the motive of the people who killed them. I do know whoever it was, they were very powerful.

    I need to go now, so I will answer more later. It will either be tonight or tomorrow.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Dear John,

    Back from coping group so I can take time to respond to your comments.

    “This goes back to the Old WNism Vs New WNism. I subscribe to the latter group where it’s more about reason and the white race’s place in the world. Not about playing the political game. About playing “practical politics” as opposed to trying to be “presentable” but then have druken heiling sessions. Derek Black and indeed the Gaede Girls Lamb and Lynx are children of the Old WNism which is why they can leave it. Same with why I feel you can leave it. If you gave the real WNism, the one practiced increasingly these days that emphasize our true culture and our true right to exist using reason and not anger, a chance I bet you would come to at least respect us if not agree.” ( John said)

    John, I know Derek and the Gaede twins in person, so I will continue to defend them. Derek I met in 2004 at the Euro Conference and April and the girls I met at the 2005 Euro Conference. I will always wish them the best and hope they find their way in this world. They are adults now and they must decide for themselves if they accept or reject White Nationalism.

    You talk about old vs new White Nationalism. Can you post a link to new White Nationalism so I can check it out? I would think the new White Nationalism like the old White Nationalism fought for the 14 words of securing a better future for White children.

    “However it only assumes political power out of defense against the hostile forces that want to see it’s various heritage groups destroyed”( John said)

    You are wrong about saying White Nationalist power is just a form of self defense against hostile forces. It was very clear what the speaker meant when he said if you are not working to gain Political Power then you are wasting your time and energy. That sentence came from the Founder of the BNP John Tyndale. He is dead now, but he was a very powerful speaker who believed that White Nationalists must seek to slowly gain Political Power.. First on the local level, then the state level and then federal level.

    In the NA we worked on the local level to gain Political Power and went to town hall meetings. Some worked to gain power within the Republican Party. I was with the suit and ties and not the skinheads or KKK.

    You personally, might not be seeking Political Power, as there are all different kinds of people and groups within White Nationalism.

    Some people think of White Nationalism as just another pro White Heritage group. You and I both know that is a misconception and not based in reality.

    In Europe the White Nationalist Political Parties are doing fairly well. Greece is an example with the Golden Dawn Party.

    Please send links of the sites you like and the people in the new White Nationalism that you like and respect. That way I can better understand where you are coming from.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Dear John,

    Good morning, Have another busy day today, so may only have a chance to respond this morning to you.

    “You see you are the villain of this story, not White Nationalists. Your the Soviet Army invading Ukraine and starving the populace in the name of human equality. You are the U.S. Army invading Vietnam in the name of democracy. You could choose not to or choose to attack a specific evil (such as hypocrisy) but instead you choose to vilify WNist ideals.

    What you are doing is simply trying to destroy whites under the pretense of benevolence. I’d rather you try to murder my physical body. ” ( John said)

    HOG WASH, I am not a Communist Red Russin from the Soviet Union. I didn’t invade the Ukraine and starve the people and murder them. I despice the Commuinists for what they did to the Czar and his family, and the other White Russians. One of my best childhood friends in Los Altos Hills, CA where I lived as a child, had family that had to escape Russia because they were White Russians and fought the Communists. The came to San Franciso. They were very proud of their heritage and every Saturday Morning she went to Russian class to learn Russian and the History of her people.

    The Communist PIGS murdered the children of the CZAR. They were children and they were murdered. They didn’t commit any CRIMES but were MURDERED.

    “You could choose not to or choose to attack a specific evil (such as hypocrisy) but instead you choose to vilify WNist ideals.

    What you are doing is simply trying to destroy whites under the pretense of benevolence. I’d rather you try to murder my physical body.

    Fact of the matter is you are anti-white. ” ( John said)

    HOG WASH, I have paid a heavy price for not being a hypocrit, and am still paying that price of daring to befriend, love and trust J who happen to be a Democrat Progressive who my mother ( who shared your WN views hated with a passion). While she judged J harshly without any real proof and just listening to the gossip of a evil woman, I asked for proof to be presented to me( which it never was) and for years have tried to give J a chance to defend himself against the charges made about him. My open mind and tolerance and reason, has caused me pain and suffering in this life, by THE RIGHT WING.. I STILL AM NOT FREE BECAUSE TO THEM, ANYONE WHO WOULD LOVE AND TRUST J AND HIS FAMILY IS MENTALLY INCAPABLE OF DECIDING THINGS FOR THEMSELVES AND MUST HAVE A KEEPER. YET, THEY MAKE ME OUT AS THE BAD GUY BECAUSE I DARE TO LOVE AND TRUST AND BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS AND TRUTH.

    I am not anti WHITE.. Just because SOMEONE DOESN’T THINK THE WAY YOU WHITE NATIONALISTS AND REPUBLICANS THINK DOESN’T MEAN THEY ARE ANTI WHITE AND OUT TO DESTROY YOU OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. JUST BECAUSE I BEFRIENDED A PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT AND DON’T HARSHLY JUDGE HIM AND HATE HIS GUTS OVER GOSSIP WITHOUT ANY REAL PROOF, OR REFUSE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SAY HIS SIDE OF THE STORY, DOESN’T MAKE ME ANTI WHITE. I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU WHITE NATIONALISTS WHINING AND WHINING ABOUT HOW IF ANYONE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW POINT THEN YOU, THAT THEY ARE A COMMUNIST, CRAZY IN THE HEAD, ANTI WHITE AND WANT THE WHITE RACE TO BE DESTROYED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

    MY LIFE IS HELL, BECAUSE I AM NOT A HYPOCRIT AND CAN’T PRETEND TO HATE PEOPLE WHO THE RIGHT WING DEEMS I MUST HATE.

    I am getting really upset now, and am starting to talk at you and not to you, so I will end right now. I am sorry, I am yelled at you.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    Let’s start here. I am going add to to save space on quoting.

    “I am Celtic ( Scot/Irish) so it is interesting that you use Ireland as an example. You say Ireland should be for the Irish and it’s people and be free from colonization, does this mean you support a FREE IRELAND and want the BRITISH TO LEAVE IRELAND so that IRELAND CAN BE ONE COUNTRY?
    to
    In my past life when I lived in New England and going to school there, I was friends with many other Celtic people who supported the fight for a FREE IRELAND. I collect flags and I knew people who proudly flew the FREE IRELAND FLAG. Since you believe in a free Ireland I don’t have to decribe to you the flag that so many would gladly die for to achieve that FREE IRELAND.”

    I am a British Unionist. I would like to see England, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Ireland form a Confederacy personally. However if the SNP or an Irish National party OR a Welsh, English or Cornish party want to declare independence they should be allowed so via Referendum (the only REAL way major social changes should occur).

    I did check out Sinn Fein and I do agree with a lot of their policies. I am no speaker for Greg Johnson or the alternative/new right but I am personally a socialist. I do not agree however with the Sinn Fein or SNP if they believe that a stupid piece of paper determines whether you are Irish or Scottish. How is it any different if the English rule from above or if the Africans rule from below? As Americans we should be aware that legislature can trample a man’s rights just as easily as a king can (to paraphrase from The Patriot). The only way the Celtic peoples can achieve true independence is if they secede as a NATION of CELTIC PEOPLE. Whether that be an Irish nation of Irish, a Scottish nation of Scottish, etc. If the Celtic peoples felt like it didn’t matter then they should have just let us English people do w/e we want. If you think about it “British” culture is a mishmash and does include Celtic Culture with English culture. If you want to think that Celts and English are the same people then why not have one country?

    We both know better than that. We know the Scottish are a people and not simply a border. Heck if the SNP want to be idiots they should just move all the borders to somewhere in China or Africa or heck America. All they have to do is bring their culture, names and artwork and BAM instant Scotland.

    “I know in my heart you are wrong in thinking that Robert F Kennedy saw Blacks as more Americans then Whites. He didn’t look to the color of the skin to judge people, but looked into their heart and moral fiber. Did they have courage? Were they honest? Did they stand up and fight for what was morally right in this world? He would get very angry when people who were born in this country were denied their rights granted them in the U.S. Constitution.

    I agree with you that there are a lot of liars in Washington and the United States Government today, but it wasn’t President or Robert Kennedy who lied to the American people. I believe they were killed because they loved this country and saw the danger and would have fought against the enemies of this nation.”

    Where? Where does it say in the Constitution (1776) that Blacks were the same as Whites? As much as I personally dislike Thomas Jefferson, even he intended for Blacks to not live in the same place as whites.

    “Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.”

    We can argue the nature of them not intending women to vote too but that is a little more ambiguous. From the wording I would imagine they actually meant one vote per household and assumed since the man was generally head of the family and more informed to pick him. That is however a different topic all together.

    Now granted I don’t know much about the Kennedys, They were before my time and I generally dislike both of them. All I can judge Robert Kennedy is what he did and what he did was totalitarian and something I would imagine all the founders would oppose. If you feel otherwise please I’d like to see quotes from the founders.

    You are right that someone DID want them out of the way. Between the Zionists, the U.S. Government, the USSR and many other possibilities I do not know. Many books have been written about it and I don’t think it is relevant personally. Others may know more. This isn’t evidence that either of them were angels though (not saying you are saying that though).

    “John, I know Derek and the Gaede twins in person, so I will continue to defend them. Derek I met in 2004 at the Euro Conference and April and the girls I met at the 2005 Euro Conference. I will always wish them the best and hope they find their way in this world. They are adults now and they must decide for themselves if they accept or reject White Nationalism.”

    They are and they both have rejected it. My point is the rejected it because they were being sold the “old brand” that was practically fringe and uneducated. I believe they rejected the truth because they were not given the chance to understand in another way than how they were taught it. I have a little tiny hope for Derek but none for Lynx and Lamb. If you want to defend how good WNists they are then go ahead but truth is they aren’t. As for the content of their character, I cannot say anything particularly good about it. It’s easy just to give up and go with the flow, but it’s hard to stick with the truth through all persecutions. Someone said on SF awhile ago that if you are a REAL WNist you simply cannot just up and leave. I tend to agree somewhat with that. The only exception is if you put your personal needs ahead of the truth. I have a friend like that. He very much agrees with WNism and posted on SF. However he doesn’t bother to live by his beliefs because he believes society is going to go to hell anyway and he may as well go through life without the persecution.

    “You are wrong about saying White Nationalist power is just a form of self defense against hostile forces. It was very clear what the speaker meant when he said if you are not working to gain Political Power then you are wasting your time and energy. That sentence came from the Founder of the BNP John Tyndale. He is dead now, but he was a very powerful speaker who believed that White Nationalists must seek to slowly gain Political Power.. First on the local level, then the state level and then federal level.
    to
    Some people think of White Nationalism as just another pro White Heritage group. You and I both know that is a misconception and not based in reality.”

    What I mean is that WNism isn’t aggressively political. It isn’t like modern democracy or ancient monarchy. It isn’t like Communism or entirely like Fascism (though with some people and I’ll admit a good 20-25% it is). It is about white people, typically in North America (since European Nationalism is more nativist than white) defending ourselves from a system that is hostile against us. None of us want to take over the world, however all of us want the right to self-determination from globalist governments. Most of us generally want to live our lives free of oppression.

    Riddle me this. I go around my life pretty average. I am nice to people who are nice to me, I am mean to people who are mean to me. I have friends that are more white and right, a friend who is very left wing and a few non-white friends who vary. Now if I ever say that I want: to live in a society around other whites, preferably Christian, where interracial marriage and relationships are outlawed and frowned upon respectively, where I have the freedom of speech to oppose certain issues such as public homosexuality or the notion of equality and have the freedom to own a firearm in my house to protect me and my family from criminals and government thugs, I will be looked at as a lunatic. I will be called a “right wing nut” a “racist”, people will oppose me. Heck even if I say I don’t want to date bisexual women people frown and go “maybe he hates homosexuals?”. The point is the government is anti-white, and anti-traditional. You expect people like myself to say “oh darn well I should go ahead and find someone like me in this 300 million person society of which my race is 65% and of which more than half of those people are significantly older AND from whatever I can sift through next that are single AND somehow believe in the same things, marry her and then just sit back at home and a have child”. Yeap, while I send my kid to get indoctrinated into thinking I am evil and hoping to have a mulatto baby I will just think “boy am I lucky to be living in America” and sit back and watch Jerry Springer.

    White Nationalism isn’t trying to destroy the world but to save whites FROM the evils of the world. If whites don’t want to listen that is their choice, but they should at least be open minded enough to let US do our thing. If they think of us as thought heretics then give us some land and we will make it into a world worth living. This is how WNism is Self-Defensive.

    I will post one right after this with everything else you asked for (including links).

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    John Says:

    “In the NA we worked on the local level to gain Political Power and went to town hall meetings. Some worked to gain power within the Republican Party. I was with the suit and ties and not the skinheads or KKK.”

    I do not know much about the NA. I know enough that I personally am not a fan of Pierce. I have read one of his books and heard his podcasts and whilst he has said good and interesting things, He seems to be a bit of an angry old man. He might have GOOD reason to be (I experience a lot of frustrating moments in my life for BEING a SILENT WNist so I can only imagine) but it’s not something you can easily show other people. He is okay for preaching to the choir and for getting others to say “amen!”. I’d need more of the ideology to talk to you about the NA if you could explain it to me, I’d appreciate it.

    “HOG WASH, I have paid a heavy price for not being a hypocrit, and am still paying that price of daring to befriend, love and trust J who happen to be a Democrat Progressive who my mother ( who shared your WN views hated with a passion). While she judged J harshly without any real proof and just listening to the gossip of a evil woman, I asked for proof to be presented to me( which it never was) and for years have tried to give J a chance to defend himself against the charges made about him. My open mind and tolerance and reason, has caused me pain and suffering in this life, by THE RIGHT WING.. I STILL AM NOT FREE BECAUSE TO THEM, ANYONE WHO WOULD LOVE AND TRUST J AND HIS FAMILY IS MENTALLY INCAPABLE OF DECIDING THINGS FOR THEMSELVES AND MUST HAVE A KEEPER. YET, THEY MAKE ME OUT AS THE BAD GUY BECAUSE I DARE TO LOVE AND TRUST AND BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS AND TRUTH.”

    First of all I believe you misread both of my examples. They are metaphorical not literal. I am saying that you are coming into our ideology circles in a country founded by people similar to us and trying to tell us to not be WNists. You are fighting ideals but instead of fighting what truly angers and has wronged you (CI somewhat don’t know the extent past some guy, and extreme fringe people who put you down because they are jackasses) you attack all of WNists and WNism. WNism is broad you yourself admit. It’s main goals are the 14 words still (at the very core) and yet you want to see it NOT MERELY DECONSTRUCTED BUT DESTROYED.

    “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.”

    This ^ is what you are fighting against and what I am fighting for. How you or anyone in this world could oppose that is beyond me. Only bad people can say that a people doesn’t need an existence or future for them or their families. To deny someone the right to exist is genocide whether it be a literal bullet or a legislative one.

    I doubt your mother and I share the same views. Your mother sounds similar to my mother who I don’t talk to anymore and is a liberal. To me that paragraph sounds more to me like conflict with your mother or (if it happened with others) family members and individuals. I doubt that the right wing has anything directly to do with it. Though I can understand you in a way. I have had persecutions from the multiculturalists (both left and right). Sometimes Ideology can be blamed.

    However I don’t think it’s fair to paint me or even the entire right wing as being responsible. If something like that happens to me I pinpoint the problem. If they hate me because of my racial beliefs it’s multiculturalism. If they hate me because I am not attracted to bisexual women then it’s their pro-homosexual attitudes. I don’t paint the entire left-wing with that brush. White Nationalism is at it’s heart noble. There may be parts of it that are corrupt and need to be trimmed from the tree but it is inherently an ideology meant for good. I cannot say the same for multiculturalism in it’s current form. However if people want to live in those kind of countries they should be allowed provided they let us do the same.

    I also did not call you a hypocrite which you certainly are not. I am using it as an example of an evil to truly fight. I remember one of the first SF threads I posted on was a thread that said it was okay for white guys to date asian girls whilst at the same time fair to lay into whites (specifically women) for dating blacks. Whilst the heresy was squashed in short order, I like to think of it as an example of hypocrisy.

    “I am not anti WHITE.. Just because SOMEONE DOESN’T THINK THE WAY YOU WHITE NATIONALISTS AND REPUBLICANS THINK DOESN’T MEAN THEY ARE ANTI WHITE AND OUT TO DESTROY YOU OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. JUST BECAUSE I BEFRIENDED A PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT AND DON’T HARSHLY JUDGE HIM AND HATE HIS GUTS OVER GOSSIP WITHOUT ANY REAL PROOF, OR REFUSE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SAY HIS SIDE OF THE STORY, DOESN’T MAKE ME ANTI WHITE. I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF YOU WHITE NATIONALISTS WHINING AND WHINING ABOUT HOW IF ANYONE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW POINT THEN YOU, THAT THEY ARE A COMMUNIST, CRAZY IN THE HEAD, ANTI WHITE AND WANT THE WHITE RACE TO BE DESTROYED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.”

    You are anti-white though, right now. If you simply allowed WNism to exist or support it’s existence, than you would be neutral. Instead you say how you want to fight it and see it destroyed.

    “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.”

    You want to see this destroyed ^.

    As for the communism charge, most political leftists these days are communists but of a different stripe. They are Cultural Marxists, influenced by the writings and culture of the Frankfurt School. Additionally, the Neo-Conservatives of todays Republicans were created in the 1950s and gained power in the later years into who we have today. Neo-Cons are typically Zionists and believe America to be perfect as well as God’s gift to mankind. Same with their capitalism.

    By the way I am good friends with a very left wing person. She is kind and a very deep thinker. She’d probably join the Frankfurt school if it were still around with how left wing she is. Her and I couldn’t live a WNist homeland, but we sure enjoy each others company.

    “I am getting really upset now, and am starting to talk at you and not to you, so I will end right now. I am sorry, I am yelled at you.”

    It’s okay. The topic invokes emotions and personal experience on your side vs the notion of what appears to be genocide on mine. I too got tense with past messages.

    “May I ask you if you really believe in your heart what you wrote? Do you from the heart really believe that anyone who may oppose and fight your ideas is out to murder the White Race off the face of the earth?”

    YES with a capital Y. However I do not believe it to be fully conscious in about 60% of the people. It is more subconscious or even ignorant about it. Many may not believe they are going to such ends but such is the nature of ideologies these days. Murder is also the wrong word to use. Genocide seems somewhat more appropriate. Maybe prefix of Cold or Passive. You are more the latter. I’d say you don’t realize you are actively trying to genocide whites by trying to destroy white nationalism. I believe once you come to the conclusion that what you are doing is wrong and that your problem isn’t with white nationalism but Christian Identity as well as some fringe elements. If I didn’t think it was possible to convince you we aren’t all your enemies, or trying to keep/put you down or trying to ruin the lives of others, you’d at least respect us as fellow people with an ideology you may or may not agree with. A people whose future may be in separation from the U.S.

    As for the former Confederates, another friend of mine tells me that the U.S. made them “American by conquest”. I tend to agree with that sentiment. Lincoln is another man who tried to force his will on the public. Lincoln however did want to ship all the blacks to Africa, so in a way I despise Booth way more than Lincoln. Additionally Lincoln would have been much kinder to the South than the following administrations. However a Confederate administration is what they needed and should have gotten. Lincoln should have requested payment from seceding states for proportional national debts and bid them best of luck.

    Here is the links to the sites I frequent. VOR is down for now, but counter-currents is still up. I will include a link to a VOR archive program that has Greg Johnson discuss Old Right vs New Right.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/
    http://reasonradionetwork.com/20120622/the-stark-truth-new-right-versus-old

    Jack Donovan who wrote Way of Men and writes on Counter-currents. He isn’t a full WNist but is an intelligent man. It might surprise some that he is a homosexual but keeps it personal and is not effeminate.
    http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/

    Ramzpaul who describes himself as just a nationalist. Here is a 4:30 minute video. He is a funny guy but people on SF don’t like him because he said an oriental woman and jewish woman were pretty.

    Finally last but not least, Horus the Avenger. Spreader of the mantra which he got from Bob Whittaker.

    great video they made (in message the animation is just below average).

    14 min though, if you want to visit his site
    http://whiterabbitradio.net/

    There might be a lot there but I hope it’s what you asked for. If you are looking for a shorter version I suggest visiting countercurrents and searching an article or topic and watch the Ramzpaul and or horus the avenger videos i linked.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Dear John,

    Good morning. Will finish responding to your second comment.

    ““Black and White,” again not by choice. Black people were brought over on slave ships by mostly Jewish slavers and sold to mostly Jewish plantation owners. America was not founded with the ideal that blacks and whites were equally Americans though free blacks were allowed to live in America. ” ( John said)

    Yes, I know about the belief that White Nationalists hold that the Founding Fathers founded a White America. Not an America where everyone who is born here or moves here and become naturalized citizens has the RIGHTS of THE CONSITUTION granted him.

    I have read the readings that White Nationalists claim prove their point of view. I disagree with that White Nationalist view point that our Founding Fathers, (my ancestors) founded only a White America. I reject that the only people who were Founding Fathers were WHITE. That view is WRONG. Remember I am a Political Daughter of the American Revolution. Was also in NSDAR for years. I love History. There were Blacks and Jews who fought in the American Revolution whose ancestors are in the DAR or SAR.

    “This precious possession most surely can’t be a name. No being American is more than a name or a geographical location. What is an American? You have to look back to it’s founding peoples, their documents, and their beliefs. Needless to say even the America of Bobby’s time was far removed from the America it’s founders intended.

    Back to the “History has placed us all,” part of it. History didn’t place anything. There is no fate or destiny that put anyone or any people in a position where that happened. It was the actions of the people before, the actions of the people now and the actions of the people to come that will determine a nation’s destiny. We all live in something called Pax Americana,The American Empire. The Monroe doctrine was put in place because that is precisely what the original spirit of America was about, isolationism not “being one with the world”. About freedom not “civil rights”. If a black man tells me he doesn’t want to eat in his restaurant I don’t. If a Chinese man tells me he doesn’t want me shopping at his store, I don’t. They should, as United States citizens, have the freedom to buy and sell to whomever they choose. Just like the freedom I have to associate with who I want, and to present my political viewpoints and to bear arms and protect myself against enemies. Instead the United States is in fact Un-American and represents Americans in name only. Robert Kennedy at best may have loved the United States, but he did not love or believe in America. True Americans of his time would have stood with the Southerners and Segregationists.” ( John said)

    I disagree very strongly with your comment that he did not love or believe in America and that true Americans would have stood with the Southerners and Segregationists. He was to much of a moral man to stand by or even join the side of people who used fire hoses on little children as was done in AL.. He had to much moral character to stand by and watch attack dogs released on people, whose only crime was to march in a peaceful protest for the right to be treated like human beings. My hero was a true man of courage because he stood up to the South and the evil practice of segregation.. He knew the South would HATE HIM WITH A PASSION, but he believed that he had a Christian duty to take the side of those who were being denied basic human rights.

    Human Rights have nothing to do with the color of one ‘s skin. Every person even Whites should have basic human rights…

    No matter how many times I try and get White Nationalists to understand this concept that Black, Whites, Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, Arab, etc are human beings and all should be allowed to live and have access to the same rights that were given to them in The Consitution. Which are God given rights.

    You do have the freedom to be friends with whoever you want. No one is going to hold a gun to your head and say you must be best buddy and mates with someone who you don’t want to be friends with. I would hope you would be civil to any other American or person who you come in contact with in your daily life. I would hope they would be civil to you and any other person they came into daily contact with. It is called having the ” class” to be gracious.. It is a sign of good breeding to respect the rights of everyone else around you that just happens to cross your path…

    I believe that his nation has to find a way to work together to solve the problems facing us. We are sinking because of the division, which in part is being caused by the Right Wing in this country. The Left Wing is also responsible, so I blame both sides. We have to many in GOVERNMENT today who tell the people what they want to hear and then once elected sell their souls for their 30 pieces of silver. My childhood hero, who you White Nationalists HATE WITH A PASSION was honest. Yes, I was 5 years old, but I still knew when he spoke he was telling the TRUTH.

    I need to work on my journal assignment for my childhood sexual survivor’s group tomorrow.. I feel that I have answered your two comments.

    Chrisy

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John,

    I just wanted to let you know that I approved your latest comments. I have a lot to do before I leave town for the weekend so it won’t be until Monday that I can start responding to you. Want to thank you for talking with me and posting on my blog. I find our conversation interesting and hope you do too.

    Also I ask Garfield, who posts on my blog, who is a White Nationalist to join our converstation. You might enjoy talking with him. He is busy, so he won’t have a lot of time, but I hope he joins the converstion.

    You will find John, that I am fair and try to be gracious to all people, regardless their Political view. I believe in talking to each other and not at each other in anger. You have been very respectful and I just wanted to tell you that. I believe if more Americans could follow in our example of really talking to each other and not at each other, then we might find areas of common ground that we can join together on in solving the problems facing this country. We must find a way to come together and work together as one country. I know it might be a pipe dream, but I believe one must try.

    Have a good weekend.

    Chrisy

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    Gar Says:

    Hey John and Chrisy, I read most of this post, I would give my 2 cents as follows, I am 100% WN, I left South Africa to get away from black domination and white genocide. I now live in a town in East Riding of Yorkshire, a small village of 2000 people, no blacks, polish, chinese or coloureds here, glorious!

    I live what I believe and I’m proud of it.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John,

    Sorry I haven’t gotten back to you sooner. Went to New Mexico last weekend and my birthday was yesterday and trying to sell the villa, so have been busy.They want to do another open house on the weekend of the 16 and 17th March, so I am trying to decide where to go for that weekend. Do I want to go to southern CA and the Pacific ocean, Las Vegas, or Sedona?

    In some ways I feel we have reached a place where we are talking in circles. Don’t want to do that, as it leads to no where very fast.

    You are young and when one is young they think they have all the answers to the problems of the world. My generation of baby boomers thought we had the answers to the problems when we were young and idealists too. That is part of youth is believing that your generation knows more the the previous generations before you and you will fix all the problems that the world faces. When one is young, they hold hope in their heart.

    Then one day you wake up and you are middle age and not so young anymore. You find out the things you thought would work didn’t work and things have not improved but in fact gotten worst. One becomes less hopeful, because you in some ways feel you failed….

    You talk about the new vs old White Nationalism. It is all the same. You might call yourself a different name, use a different motto or symbol.. The message is the same… Every generation of White Nationalism thinks that they are going to be the ones who save the White RACE from total destruction. That they have learned from the mistakes of the generation who went before them. Yet, with all the change they make, we find that White Nationalism is still a failed belief system.

    One day you will look back on your life, and you will feel like a stupid idiot for thinking that White Nationalism is the answer to the problems facing mankind today in the 21st century. Alot of us do that and decide to leave White Nationalism. Some of us become people who FIGHT White Nationalism, because we feel we must as it is a moral imperative. Others leave and after healing, move forward and embrace a normal life without White Nationalism. Others know the truth about White Nationalism and for whatever reason, don’t phyiscally leave, but mentally leave. Others never do wake up to the truth and believe the White Nationalist LIE as the truth until their dying day.

    I don’t have faith in our government anymore. Both Political Parties are corrupted and LIE. I don’t trust or respect them and know every word out of our government’s lips is a LIE. I know they do not have the best interest of the American people at heart.. I can’t say I love them either.

    I wouldn’t follow the American Government anywhere. I wouldn’t fight for the American Government and I sure won’t die for the American Government.

    You can only be lied to so many times by your own Government before you stop believing them and believing in them. I guess that is where I am now. So your talk about the Founding Fathers doesn’t mean anything to me, as that nation is long gone. That United States doesn’t exist anymore. That is one reason why I am no longer NSDAR but just a Political Daughter of the American Revolution. They want to live in denial and dreamland that we are the same Govenment that was founded by our ancestors and I know the truth that, that government is no longer here.

    The truth is that there are a lot of people like me of all POLITICAL VIEWS who have lost their trust, faith, and respect for the United States Government and wouldn’t follow them anywhere, or be willing to die defending those lying scum bags who hold power in our government. When that happens the country is in a very dangerous place, because the PEOPLE don’t CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR GOVERNMENT. They might even cheer for their own downfall because the Government has betrayed its own people and lied to them to many times; and the people feel a sense of relief when the corrupted government is brought down.

    You White Nationalists can play off that feeling of distrust and use that to your own advantage, if you are smart. Like many people who don’t know White Nationalism and White Nationalists first hand, I am not writing you guys off as a big joke. I know that you have a large population of Whites to recruit from and if you are smart can use that anger to your advantage.

    I also know that Progressives also can use that distrust and anger to their advantage too, which they have been doing. They have the Youth.. Yet because they too are full of lies, in the end will they hold that support of the youth today who will be middle age tomorrow?

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    John Says:

    I will respond to the rest a bit later but your text just now really forces me to say something.

    “You talk about the new vs old White Nationalism. It is all the same. You might call yourself a different name, use a different motto or symbol.. The message is the same… Every generation of White Nationalism thinks that they are going to be the ones who save the White RACE from total destruction. That they have learned from the mistakes of the generation who went before them. Yet, with all the change they make, we find that White Nationalism is still a failed belief system.

    One day you will look back on your life, and you will feel like a stupid idiot for thinking that White Nationalism is the answer to the problems facing mankind today in the 21st century. Alot of us do that and decide to leave White Nationalism. Some of us become people who FIGHT White Nationalism, because we feel we must as it is a moral imperative. Others leave and after healing, move forward and embrace a normal life without White Nationalism. Others know the truth about White Nationalism and for whatever reason, don’t phyiscally leave, but mentally leave. Others never do wake up to the truth and believe the White Nationalist LIE as the truth until their dying day.”

    You didn’t actually bother to look at my links did you? You decided to go on a generalization about different generations.

    When I become middle aged I am still going to have the zeal I do today. Because it wasn’t white nationalism that did any harm to me. Political correctness and multiculturalism, whether left or right, hated me and hates us. Not because I go around poking the hornets nest of other people’s lives but because my existence is an abhorrent to them.

    This brings me to the most important topic I feel you haven’t answered yet. How are you not anti-white when you make it your moral crusade to fight all forms of white nationalism when you have only be slighted by one? At least if I make things personal, I can lay blame to all forms of multicultural or multiracial sentiment. I still don’t make it my job to see it or it’s mixed race face destroyed. I seek to live separate from it. Why can you not tolerate this our existence?

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    chrisy58 Says:

    “You didn’t actually bother to look at my links did you? You decided to go on a generalization about different generations.

    When I become middle aged I am still going to have the zeal I do today. Because it wasn’t white nationalism that did any harm to me. Political correctness and multiculturalism, whether left or right, hated me and hates us. Not because I go around poking the hornets nest of other people’s lives but because my existence is an abhorrent to them.

    This brings me to the most important topic I feel you haven’t answered yet. How are you not anti-white when you make it your moral crusade to fight all forms of white nationalism when you have only be slighted by one? At least if I make things personal, I can lay blame to all forms of multicultural or multiracial sentiment. I still don’t make it my job to see it or it’s mixed race face destroyed. I seek to live separate from it. Why can you not tolerate this our existence?” ( John said)

    I did read your links and it is the same ole message that is being repackaged with new words, symbols, and presented as new White Nationalism when it is the same message.. It is just repackaged to look new and improved to bring the youth of this generation in to believe that THEY will be the ones to save THE WHITE RACE FROM DESTRUCTION..

    White Nationalism has been around for many years. Each generation thinks they have the answers to make White Nationalism a success that WHITES will embrace and finally there will BE A WHITE HOMELAND THAT IS HEAVEN ON EARTH FOR WHITES.

    It isn’t just one form of White Nationalism that I reject or know about.

    I am the first one to admit that some of the best friends I ever had in this life were White Nationalists who helped me and gave me a safe place to stay when I needed it. they fed me, put a roof over my head, and were true blue friends who I still love.

    I had to choose between true friendship and someone who was a lousy and terrible friend, but who represents what my dad taught me and what my one childhood American hero taught me when he lived on this earth and planted a seed in this one small child. I had to choose between duty and friendship. I chose the lousy friend who I am more in line with Politically and who represents the things my father taught me as a child. He is the only one I know in real life I can talk to about White Nationalism and other issues like child sexual abuse who has resources to bring to the fight. He is the only one I know in person as a friend that I would talk to because of already knowing him as a friend. He might be a poor friend and doesn’t know the true meaning of friendship like the White Nationalists, but at least I believe that he too will know in his heart that WHITE NATIONALISM IS SOMETHING THAT HIS DAD WOULD WANT HIM TO FIGHT AGAINST, AND HE WILL TALK TO ME AND LEARN FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHITE NATIONALISM FIRST HAND, AND IN THE END PROVE HE IS A GOOD FRIEND AND HAS THE COURAGE TO DO THE RIGHT THING REGARDING ME AND OUR FRIENDSHIP.

    So in the end I chose J and his family to seek help from again. I know people will think I am a FOOL, for ever giving them another chance to come out looking like the HERO. I chose duty over friendship.

    All these years later I am still in limbo. That is why there is no ending for the dream I had the night before last.

    There are days I regret my decision and wonder if I made the right choice in seeking help from J and his family. I wouldn’t be human if I didn’t look at how things turned out and are between us, and wonder did I make the right choice in picking duty over friendship?

    I am going through hell right now and still feel like I am being forced to do things in this life I don’t want to do. I am not free to make my own decisions. Yet, one must do what they must do to survive, right?

    While Mr. IT ISN’T MY PROBLEM J, could care less about helping a friend in need who loves him uncondtionally and forever, who sees the best in him and overlooks the bad, who is honest, loyal, and would never do anything on purporse to hurt him or bring dishonor upon him or his name; I know that if I hadn’t chosen duty over friendship I would have friends who would help me and give me a way out from being forced to move to Hawaii when I don’t want to go. I have no say in my life. It is do as I am told, and who cares what you like or want in this life. Be sweet and obey without question has been forced down my throat. Freedom is just a word for those who have the resources to do as they would and not be living at the mercy of someone else.

    I know I am not explaining this very well.

    You are a young man who thinks you have all the answers and that you have found a way to solve the problems in the world. We baby boomers were young once too. We too thought we had the answers to solve the problems facing us and the reality was, those answers didn’t work. You just might find that when you reach middle age and look back you will find that your new White Nationalism didn’t work either. Then you will have your children tell you that your White Nationalism that is new today is old White Nationalism and they will repackage and rebrand your brand of White Nationalism into their new White Nationalism.

    We are talking in circles and starting to talk at each other and not to each other. Each of us repeating the same thoughts over and over and over again.

    I am not anti White or out to kill the WHITE RACE because I reject WHITE NATIONALISM. I am proud to be Celtic/British. I fight for our right to exist and to live by our culture and heritage in this world, as I fight for every ethnic group to have the same right to exist and live by their culture and heritage.

    RACISM IS FOUND IN ALL RACES AND NOT JUST WHITES as some PEOPLE BELIEVE. I THINK IT IS WRONG FOR THEM TO USE THAT DOUBLE STANDARD OF THE ONLY RACISM IS WHITE RACISM. THAT IS JUST AS WRONG AS YOU TELLING PEOPLE THAT IF THEY ARE ANTI WHITE NATIONALISM THAT THEY ARE ANTI WHITE AND ARE SEEKING TO KILL THE WHITE RACE OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. DO YOU SEE HOW TWO WRONGS NEVER MAKE A RIGHT. THAT REASONABLE PEOPLE SEE THROUGH BOTH THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS AND SHAKE THEIR HEAD IN DISBELIEF THAT SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THOSE TWO STATEMENTS MADE AS FACT.

    You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours. We might come to understand the other person better, but as to you bringing me back into the White Nationalist fold, it isn’t going happen. As for me bringing you to the point that you decide to leave White Nationalism, it isn’t going to happen.

    Garfield, is a White Nationalist who posts on my board, and we for years both post how we think on the different topics. We treat each other with respect and talk to each other and not at each other and use reason. I hope that you and I will develop the same kind of online relationship where we can both share what we believe from the heart, knowing that we are not going to change each other, but that it leads to interesting conversation between the two sides.

    Have a good day John.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    I do enjoy discussion but my point isn’t to convert you.

    Here is what it comes down to:
    Pro-White: Supporting the survival of the white race or of one of it’s sub-ethnic groups. English, Celtic, German, etc.

    Neutral: Don’t feel the need to get involved

    Anti-White: Fighting against the survival of the white race by creating conditions that will lead to it’s destruction or by opposing groups that try and ensure it’s survival that are not threatening you in anyway.

    If you came out and told me “Yeah I am not a White Nationalist anymore” and left it at that I wouldn’t be calling you Anti-White. The fact is you feel it is your mission to fight against White Nationalism (without creating a pro-white alternative that will ensure the survival of whites) even though your battle with it is with a branch of WNism (Christian Identity).

    If you aren’t pro-white, and not neutral that it only leaves one option. Is that where you fall? Or do you have an alternative to replace White Nationalism against the Anti-Whites that will help whites even more?

    As a white man, how does your crusade against White Nationalism help me in this society in the long run?

    John

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    chrisy58 Says:

    John,

    Good morning. We are having an open house today, so I do want to get my reply to you started.

    Glad you enjoy our conversations, as I like to stimulate my mind and talking to interesting people from all view points is something I enjoy doing and was hoping to create a forum for people of all Political views to come together for conversation on this blog. Not attacking each other or talking at each other but talking to each other. I believe to really grow your mind you must be open to hear all view points from all different kinds of people.

    I am trying to think of the right words to say this, but I don’t believe one can look at the world as black and white.

    As I have said I know and have been involved with many areas of White Nationalism and not just Christian Idenitity and the Christian Patriot Movement of the 90’s. The NA was not Christian. The KKK is CI, but the NA didn’t believe in the Christian belief system. I was also involved with both the David Duke conferences and remember when the Agreement was signed in 2004 at New Oreleans. The NA was one group that signed the Agreement. I was a member and was involved with the BNP as I am half British. That too is not a Christian group but a British Poltical Party with White Nationalist ties. So please don’t just assume I only know the CI end of White Nationalism. Thank you.

    My mother like many White Nationalists viewed things as Black and White. There was no Gray area for her too. It is always either/or…

    What if either/or dosn’t apply to a situation?

    I am very proud of my Celtic/British heritiage and fight and will continue to fight for our survival on the face of the earth and the right for us to live by our culture and to pass our very unique and special culture down to the next generation. One is not a racist for wanting to marry within their own ethic group and pass on our genes to a another generation…

    I will fight for the right of every ethinic group and race to be able to live and perserve their very unique and special culture and pass their genes unmixed to another generation and don’t think they are racist for wanting to marry within their own ethnic group.

    Just because I oppose White Nationalism doesn’t make me anti White that is trying to kill the White RACE off the face of the earth. That is an untrue statement used to make other WHITES feel guilty and to think they must JOIN WHITE NATIONALISM or they are guilty of trying to kill their own RACE off the face of the earth.

    The Mantra of IF YOU ARE ANTI WHITE NATIONALIST YOU ARE ANTI WHITE that is used and repeated by White Nationalists to make OTHER WHITES feel LIKE THEY ARE AN EVIL PERSON WHO IS OUT TO MURDER THE WHITE RACE OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH IF ONE IS NOT A WHITE NATIONALIST, is just as INSANE AND CRAZY to me as Progressives and people on the Left, who say THAT ONLY WHITES CAN BE GUILTY OF RACISM AND HATE TOWARD OTHER RACES. That too is a lie. The evidence is very clear that their are Black Nationalists that have the goal of killing Whites off the face of the earth and the evidence produced is in the Black Nationalist own words.

    Reasonable people look at both of those kind of statements from both the White Nationalists and Progressives and shake their head in disbelief. Let us be honest and admit that sometimes the truth lies in the middle of the two extremes. And that reasonable people on both the Left and the Right need to stand up and speak the truth..

    Yes, I fight White Nationalism because I don’t believe that the White RACE is superior and that others who are non White should be treated as lesser human beings. We are all human beings. We all bleed red blood, we all have a head, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, two ears, two arms, two legs, and we all have a heart that beats. All people should be treated as human beings. I don’t like the hate that White Nationalists have toward Jewish people. They too are human beings like the rest of us.. They too marry and have children and like every other human being on the planet what their children to be happy and grow into adults who have a better life then they did. They want their children to do better then them..

    I don’t believe it is the end of the WHITE RACE, if all of us respect and come to understand that human rights apply to all people regardless of race, political view, sex, or religion. It is about respecting my right to be proud and honor my Celtic side by being active in the Celtic Games and my Clans. To honor my British side by being a Daughter of the British Empire. To honor my American side if I ever regain love and respect for the United States Government again by being Mayflower and a Political Daughter of the American Revolution.

    I am not ANTI WHITE because I respect the rights of all people to honor their own heritiage that is different then mine. I know a lot of good Mexican people living in AZ. I support their right to form and join a group for people of their Heritiage. They could call it the Mexican/American Daughters. I am not threaten by their forming their own group just for their own ethnic group, as they should not feel threaten if we form a group called Celtic Daughters of America.

    I believe that people will not allow another group of people to deny the human rights of another group of people. Do you really believe in your heart that Americans are going to stand by and allow Black Nationalists who do talk openly about murdering Whites to actually carry out their evil intent? Like Anne Frank I believe in the goodness of people and that reason will prevail and that no matter what ethnic group or race you are, that you will fight to defend the rights of others.

    I know I am not explaining this very well.

    Hope you have a great day.

    Chrisy

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    John Says:

    ‘As I have said I know and have been involved with many areas of White Nationalism and not just Christian Idenitity and the Christian Patriot Movement of the 90′s. The NA was not Christian. The KKK is CI, but the NA didn’t believe in the Christian belief system. I was also involved with both the David Duke conferences and remember when the Agreement was signed in 2004 at New Oreleans. The NA was one group that signed the Agreement. I was a member and was involved with the BNP as I am half British. That too is not a Christian group but a British Poltical Party with White Nationalist ties. So please don’t just assume I only know the CI end of White Nationalism. Thank you.”

    I never said you just know CI but that
    1. you know a lot of older WNist groups and their ideology. NA isn’t really around, the BNP is a joke and David Duke is respected, but an older man. A lot of the WNist circles I talk about came post-2008. I got involved around 2005. I remember some of the older stuff. Heck it was the NSM! who got me to challenge multiculturalism in the first place.

    2. I say, and rightfully so, that your only issue is with CI. You have not really given a reason to dislike WNism as a whole.

    “My mother like many White Nationalists viewed things as Black and White. There was no Gray area for her too. It is always either/or…”

    You just say your mother is a WNist or has “similar” views. I have not see too much to indicate that she was a WNist which is unfair by association.

    Additionally you are viewing things from a black and white perspective, where is the gray area for you? Where you just let WNists and WNism be? It’s not like any of else would do anything to harm you or force you into a life you don’t want. At worst for them, we get a country of our own where we can live away from the multiracialists. At worst for us, the white race ceases to exist, as well as her sub-ethnic groups. Instead of sitting on the fence you decide “hey I am going to fight White Nationalism for no real reason as a couple of people in my life were WNist in my opinion and were mean to me” and “Bobby Kennedy would have wanted me too”. Great, so you would forsaken a whole race to multiracialism for those reasons alone?

    “Yes, I fight White Nationalism because I don’t believe that the White RACE is superior and that others who are non White should be treated as lesser human beings.”

    No one said this. Different people who are incompatible to live in the same country is very different from “lesser” or “greater”.

    “We are all human beings. We all bleed red blood, we all have a head, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, two ears, two arms, two legs, and we all have a heart that beats.”

    So does monkeys. Physical features like that are not indicators of similarities.

    “All people should be treated as human beings.”

    No disagreement there, let my people go!

    “I don’t like the hate that White Nationalists have toward Jewish people. They too are human beings like the rest of us.. They too marry and have children and like every other human being on the planet what their children to be happy and grow into adults who have a better life then they did. They want their children to do better then them.”

    Jews aren’t white first. Second, Jewish people are the ones creating this hell. They have political, economical and media dominance. This isn’t some new phenomenon, they have done this for 100s of years. They should have their own homeland to live and prosper. However minorities like them and others are determining the fate of native white people. If Jews didn’t push harmful policies that end in the destruction of whites, then people wouldn’t dislike them. They sort of do it to themselves and they are kind of proud of it. I believe you don’t like it because you haven’t fully connected all the dots. Even I have been there, the links are all there.

    “I will fight for the right of every ethinic group and race to be able to live and perserve their very unique and special culture and pass their genes unmixed to another generation and don’t think they are racist for wanting to marry within their own ethnic group.

    Just because I oppose White Nationalism doesn’t make me anti White that is trying to kill the White RACE off the face of the earth. That is an untrue statement used to make other WHITES feel guilty and to think they must JOIN WHITE NATIONALISM or they are guilty of trying to kill their own RACE off the face of the earth.

    The Mantra of IF YOU ARE ANTI WHITE NATIONALIST YOU ARE ANTI WHITE that is used and repeated by White Nationalists to make OTHER WHITES feel LIKE THEY ARE AN EVIL PERSON WHO IS OUT TO MURDER THE WHITE RACE OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH IF ONE IS NOT A WHITE NATIONALIST, is just as INSANE AND CRAZY to me as Progressives and people on the Left, who say THAT ONLY WHITES CAN BE GUILTY OF RACISM AND HATE TOWARD OTHER RACES. That too is a lie”

    The Mantra is used to make you aware of your place in all this. You talk about preservation of ethnic groups yet you fight against the very foundation upon which that structure is built on! What is your solution to the problem of America being majority non-white in 18 years? (currently more than 50% of children under age of 5 is non-white). This is why you are called anti-white.

    “I believe that people will not allow another group of people to deny the human rights of another group of people.”

    This is why WNism exists, the 14 words. You realize by fighting the 14 words you are fighting against the right for white people to live safely, and securely in their own lands free from oppression? I went to high school in a majority non-white school. Of the whites there, they were mostly Southern European with a dash of Eastern Euros. If you truly believe you must fight and see us destroyed, then I truly you should move to such an area, see your family moves to such areas and have your children that are relatives attend such schools. Must be nice to have gone to a school where multiculturalism was simply having a black friend as opposed to hearing English spoken a 1/4th of the time (just one example) when you walk the halls.

    “Do you really believe in your heart that Americans are going to stand by and allow Black Nationalists who do talk openly about murdering Whites to actually carry out their evil intent?”

    Blacks who want to commit genocide? they get their way more often than White Nationalists do. I’d be okay with Black Nationalists though. If they want to have their own homeland governed by blacks, ruled by blacks and have a black culture, I say power to them. I want the exact same for my race. Black Nationalists and Blacks who want to commit genocide are two different people.

    “like Anne Frank I believe in the goodness of people and that reason will prevail and that no matter what ethnic group or race you are, that you will fight to defend the rights of others.”

    The Diary of Anne Frank is false. However if you believe that quote to be true then you would believe in the goodness of our cause, where or not that is your battle to take up.

    I don’t think you answered my questions though:

    If you aren’t pro-white, and not neutral that it only leaves one option. Is that where you fall? Or do you have an alternative to replace White Nationalism against the Anti-Whites that will help whites even more?

    As a white man, how does your crusade against White Nationalism help me in this society in the long run?


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