Women have a Right to Say NO

I was trolling Stormfront and I found this post that really brought back memories of Jeff.  He said the same thing that Jeff used to say to me.  Anyway, I wanted to comment and get out some feelings that I still have towards Jeff and the HELL I lived in.

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Default Re: Women Turn History Into a Bizarre Soap Opera, Says Historian

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Sex by force is rape. It is even torture. physical force is violence.Let me ask you this–why would a good man force his wife to have sex?

Why would a man who loves his wife force her to have sex?

You can’t rape your own wife it’s a contradiction.

I would never marry a woman who thinks that her husband can rape her. A woman like that is filled with feminist ideology whether she knows it or not. A woman in marriage gives herself to her husband, physcially and spiritually. Therefore, a husband CAN NOT rape his wife. Nor can a man steal his own money.

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There are some men out there who force their wives to have sex. Most don’t–and there’s no need for all you nice men out there to get upset over this because we know you don’t do this to your wives, especially when you are angry with her.This is something that some guys need to get straight–most women feel bad about themselves when they have sex without love. Men can do it. For women it’s much harder to do. It is a fact of nature.

If there is one thing you can blame on feminism, it is not in trying to save married women from being hurt in a sexual way by their husbands, but for trying to make women sexually like men–for telling women they should have sex without love, even though it goes totally against their own genetics. Or for trying to make women into soldiers and kill.

You said it, if a wife refuses to have sex with her husband, it is because that wife DOES NOT love him and probably keeps this secert from her husband out of guilt. Many married men refuse to see this, and instead pretend in their minds that women don’t like sex. Why are women not loving their husbands nowadays?
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Guys, you want sex–buy her flowers. Tell her she’s beautiful. Tell her you appreciate all the things she does. And you love that blouse on her, it makes her look so feminine. It makes her look just like when you met her. Kiss her hand. Hold not only the door, but the car door for her, too. Make her smile. Plan ahead. Make her smile every day of the week and make Saturday night extra special.
So if your wife doesn’t love you, then bribe her for sex? No thanks. She still doesn’t love you, for whatever reason, and giving her bribes for affection is pathetic. Lots of men cry for love from their wives, but it won’t make her love you, and probably will lose respect from her.
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Be a Knight. Are not the White Knights the most pro-Woman creatures on the face of the earth, after all? Laugh in the face of the Jew–you and your Woman are an unshakable team.
Knights never had to worry about their wives accusing them of rape.

Jeff used to say that to me that a man CAN’T RAPE HIS WIFE, because she is HIS PROPERTY AND A MAN CAN’T RAPE HIS OWN PROPTERY.   I got chills just reading that sentence from you Procopus. 

First of all Procopus, women are not property of men!!!! A husband who forces his wife to have sex against her will is still comitting rape.  I know that some men do not understand that concept and think like you do that a wife has no right to refuse sexual advances from her husband.

Second, will you really love your wife?  Will you really treasure and cherish her?  I know Jeff didn’t me and any man who feels like you do doesn’t either.  You want sex only and not making love.  There is a difference between sex and loving on the person you love.  Sex with Jeff was terrible because I was just an object to him who he said had the right to take when ever he wanted, even if I didn’t want to.  It could be in the middle of the night and even if I was sleeping.  If he wanted sex he was going to take it.  I don’t think I have ever had an enjoybale experience.

Third, I feel sorry for anyone you marry.  Having lived with someone like you who doesn’t think a husband can rape his wife, I know what she has to live with.

Again we get with the White Nationalist man blaming women fighting for women to be treated like human beings blamed for women wanting to be treated with respect and when we say no, not be forced into sex.  NO, means NO and not maybe or go ahead anyway and force us against our will.

Your post just reminded me of being with Jeff and I don’t wish that on any woman.  I wonder are you CI/White Nationalist too like Jeff? I worry about the girls/women in White Nationalism with guys like you in the Cause.

 

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  1. 1
    chrisy58 Says:

    This post was on the same thread and I wanted to post it here.

    AttorneyBackcountry
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    Re: Women Turn History Into a Bizarre Soap Opera, Says Historian

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    It is along the lines of women’s tendencies to think in melodramatic relational terms and to live in the moment rather than to be analytical.

    This is one of the reasons for the decline of Western values.

    First we had Carter, then Clinton, and now Obongo.

    Elected by women all.

    The slide seems to be along the lines of increasingly ridiculous and ultra liberal.

    In the case of Clinton, he was a criminal abuser of females (ironic huh?).

    And now with Obongo, we’ve got the most liberal Senator in history in the white house.

    Women’s right to vote should be revoked in all western countries.

    If that happened, we would never have these politicians.
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    This one wants to take away our voting rights. Notice how we women are being blamed again with these White Nationalists. They say they respect women, but do they really?

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    chrisy58 Says:

    mechanicalstar
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    Re: Women Turn History Into a Bizarre Soap Opera, Says Historian

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    Originally Posted by AttorneyBackcountry
    It is along the lines of women’s tendencies to think in melodramatic relational terms and to live in the moment rather than to be analytical.

    This is one of the reasons for the decline of Western values.

    First we had Carter, then Clinton, and now Obongo.

    Elected by women all.

    The slide seems to be along the lines of increasingly ridiculous and ultra liberal.

    In the case of Clinton, he was a criminal abuser of females (ironic huh?).

    And now with Obongo, we’ve got the most liberal Senator in history in the white house.

    Women’s right to vote should be revoked in all western countries.

    If that happened, we would never have these politicians.
    ————————
    It’s true that any thread that mentions women degrades into a woman-bashing thread that includes every little snide opinion on women, no matter how far off topic. It’s really pathetic, I’m about done with this place.
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    Glad you are starting to wake up to the truth, that there is no place for women in White Nationalism unless you want to be treated as their property and have no rights. To be told that you are a woman and therefore should not be allowed to vote.

    I wish you the best and hope you do manage to leave White Nationalism behind you. There is a much better place out there then being stuck with the loosers that make up White Nationalism.

  3. 3
    Aslan Maskhadov Says:

    Wow, this Procopius must be REALLY popular with ladies.

  4. 4
    chrisy58 Says:

    Aslan,

    Procopius will most likely end up with a CI/White Nationalist woman who has been brainwashed to believe that as a woman she has no rights and that she is the proterty of her husband who will decide every detail of her life.
    It is not a very happy life for a woman.

  5. 5
    Y_I_Otter Says:

    There was a time guys like Procopius got tons of action.

    But the whole, getting-clubbed-over-the-head-and-dragged-back-to-his-cave-by-your-hair thing doesn’t really cut it with your now, a go-go, kinda woman.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Glad to see you made it to my blog otter.

    Women like to have a little romance today. I know I am a sucker for a romantic kind of guy, but I haven’t met him yet. Somewhere out there is a guy who will sweep me off my feet.

  7. 7
    Procopus Says:

    First off, I’m flattered that you choose to showcase my posts on your blog. It’s obvious you thought there was something important being said, even though you disagreed. I gave up on the thread at Stormfront, too much drama for me, and it created division. I’m leaving a comment on your blog because you specifically addressed your reply to me. “First of all Procopus, women are not property of men!!!! ” You probably thought I would never see your blog, but the internet is a small world isn’t it?

    Now, I’m sorry to see that you and your boyfriend Jeff had an unhappy relationship. I’ve had some unhappy experiences as well with the opposite sex. Everyone, now a days it seems, has had some bad experiences. I’m also sorry you have a fully feminized mindset, you probably don’t realize just how different you think from the way your great grandmother did. You and your great grandmother really do come from two different worlds. She would never think to bring up rape charges against her own husband.

    Here’s the first statement you addressed to me …
    “First of all Procopus, women are not property of men!!!!

    So true, Chrisy58, women in feminist nations are not the property of men. A woman, whether stranger or wife, has the full right to deny men sex or love making. Her body, her choice is the mantra of the times. Any man thinking about marriage better learn that fact, or you might end up in prison with the other patriarchs. In Soviet America, you don’t screw your wife, your wife screws you.

    ‘I don’t think I have ever had an enjoybale experience.” (In reference to sex with Jeff)

    It seems to me that you didn’t love Jeff, much less like him. It’s not rational to me that you would even want a relationship with him to begin with.

    ‘Second, will you really love your wife? Will you really treasure and cherish her?”

    Those are funny questions, coming from someone who would support the idea that women have the right not to love, treasure, and cherish their husbands. If women have the right not to love their spouses, then men have the same right naturally. It’s obvious that you did not love, treasure, and cherish Jeff.

    “Third, I feel sorry for anyone you marry. Having lived with someone like you who doesn’t think a husband can rape his wife, I know what she has to live with.”

    I feel sorry for you, I’ve never lived with someone that I didn’t want a relationship with. In fact, I’ve never been married and never had to experience being in a loveless marriage with a loveless woman. I’m very careful about who I date, I only go out with women I like. I would also like to point out, I would never marry a woman that believes a husband can rape his wife. If a woman believes that, then to me, it’s same thing as her saying, “I don’t believe in marriage.”
    Again we get with the White Nationalist man blaming women fighting for women to be treated like human beings blamed for women wanting to be treated with respect and when we say no, not be forced into sex.
    I think the confusion is that a human being could mean all kinds of things. A fireman, a king, a thief, a man, a soldier, a murderer, etc; those are all examples of human beings, and all of them get treated differently, women should decide which kind of human being they want to be treated as. Men will just see women as women unless you tell us otherwise.

    NO, means NO and not maybe or go ahead anyway and force us against our will.

    You got that right, in America, No means NO. It’s very true guys, your wife isn’t really your wife in America, the modern wife retains her individuality and remains separate physically and spiritually from her husband. Modern marriages are really just a legal fiction. If you want a more traditional marriage then you have to leave America. A lot of men are doing just that, going to other countries looking for women to marry. It’s sad, but even love is being outsourced these days.

    Good luck Chrisy58. I hope you find happiness.

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Dear Procopus,

    I posted your comment. We do not agree, but you have a right to your opinion. Yes, I showcased your ideas because even though I disagree with them I wanted to comment. I don’t post on SF and so when I comment I tend to comment here, but people are free to comment and we can discuss ideas.

    I believe in exchange of ideas. I do ask one thing and that is we treat each other with respect and not attack the other person. So far you have followed that rule and I will give you respect as well.

    I believe that by debating ideas that one grows. I have never been in the place where I have been free to explore all different kinds of ideas with the objective of forming my own views on issues. My experience in life is if I held a different view I was called stupid. I don’t want to be a parrot anymore, but learn to think things for my self. So yes, you are welcome to post your comments here in response to what I post.

    I still disagree with you that women can’t be raped by their husbands. Try telling that to my girlfriend in Kansas who was beaten and raped by her now ex husband and who was in the hospital. She has a much better life now that she divorced him and remarried the wonderful man she is with now. He supported her and helped her overcome her past and they are very happy together. One of the happiest days of my life was going to their wedding.

    I did love Jeff or I wouldn’t have gone out to OR to be with him, but once I got there and I saw the truth and the reality of the situation, I quit loving him. I do think it is possible to fall out of love with someone.

    Life does go on, and maybe someday you will realize that American women are not all that bad. I am actually quite traditonal in my views of marriage and family. Yet, after living with a man who holds your views and seeing a good friend end up in the hospital by her husband for daring to say no I will never allow myself to believe as you do that a husband can never rape his wife. It is never ok for a man to use violence on a woman, even if she is his wife or live in girlfriend.

    Happy Easter
    Chrisy

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    Aslan Maskhadov Says:

    Procopus, I was just wondering- Did your WN beliefs lead to such massive sexual frustration? Or vice versa?

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    Procopus Says:

    Chrisy, I think you imagine me being a fool like ol’ Jeff, and just come out and say things, like I do on the internet, in real life. On the contrary, if we met in public you would never know it was me, Procopus. Trust me, there’s alot of men that think like me, but never come out and say it. You should keep this in mind, I’ve never forced a woman to do anything nor have I demanded my patriarchal rights in a blatant way. I’m well aware of what the score is in America. While dating or being friends with a woman, I treat them just as that, as friends, as equals.

    Now marriage is another thing all together. I see what’s happening in society, and I can see all the divorces, the broken families, and all the unhappiness and confusion it can bring. There is one thing that me and my sibling agree on, we both want to have a normal family life for our children, what we were denied. That’s why I believe that a husband should be ahead of the family. There can’t be two kings in a kingdom, one must submit to the other, or there will be civil war.

    When I find the right woman, the one I will love and want to marry, I will give her a choice: You can have equality or love from me, you can’t have both. Now a sensible women, true to herself, will always pick being loved over anything else. In the event she picks equality, then she can have it, but I will not marry her and she’s on her own. That’s sad, but it’s the way it has got to be.

    Procopus, I was just wondering- Did your WN beliefs lead to such massive sexual frustration? Or vice versa?

    Hmmm, interesting question. First off though, I don’t have “massive sexual frustration.” Aslan Maskhadov, a question for you, which sex in america is having “massive sexual frustration”? By all the complaining, I would have to say that it is the women who are not sexually satistified, and why is that? I have a theory about it, but i’m sure you won’t like the answer, so I’ll leave that one alone.

    Now to your main question: is there a link to my old fashioned caveman views on marriage and my views on white nationalism? I suppose there might be, but who knows.

    -Procopus

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    chrisy58 Says:

    Procopus,

    I think it is good that you want you children to have a good childhood and a strong family to grow up in. There is nothing wrong with that desire and I won’t fault you there. I hope you are able to achieve that. I hope you find the right person and will together as a team make that goal possible.

    I think you have me all wrong too. I am actually a very traditonal minded women. I too believe that the man is the head of the house and I as a woman am the heart of the house. I want to be a helpmate not a slave as I was considered with Jeff. I want to work together as a team to achieve our goals. I believe a man who has a women who loves him unconditonaly, and encourages and inspires him to be the best he can be is a very lucky man. I also believe a woman who has a man loves her, teaches her so she is educated, and protects her is a very lucky woman.

    The issue that we disagree on is that if a woman is let’s say has a headache and doesn’t want sex that night has a right to say No, darling I don’t feel well. The same way that if the sitution was reversed a man would have the right to say to his wife, Honey, I don’t feel good and I don’t want too. Sometimes no matter how much you love someone you might not feel like making love.

    Now if there was a pattern in the person not wanting to make love with you, than I would say that maybe there is a problem, but just because they say no on a rare occasion doesn’t mean they stopped loving you or that they have found someone else to love.

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    Aslan Maskhadov Says:

    Procopus, it is obvious you have massive sexual frustration, otherwise you wouldn’t espouse such views. Your views are what someone who is extremely frustrated says.

    My bet is that you may still be a virgin as well.

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    Procopus Says:

    Procopus, it is obvious you have massive sexual frustration, otherwise you wouldn’t espouse such views. Your views are what someone who is extremely frustrated says.

    My bet is that you may still be a virgin as well.

    I hope you realize that shaming language(a typical reaction of a woman when they have nothing to say) does not work on me.

    Trust me, when my parents divorced when I was little, I was partly raised by my grandmother. She was the best at shaming language. I’m immune now.

    Aslan Maskhadov, isn’t it interesting that all you have contributed to the conversation is bascially, “I bet you don’t get laid.” Think about it.

    Btw, chrisy58, thank you for your well thought out and considerate responses.

  14. 14
    Aslan Maskhadov Says:

    But don’t you understand, Procopus? That you can’t get laid and are sexually frustrated IS the heart of the issue. What sick mind would want to deny a woman the right of choosing whom to have sexual relations with but someone who feels profoundly inferior to women and is unable to be “chosen”? Normal people such as myself don’t have any problem with women having the right to choose. Having basic social skills ensures that we get chosen.

    Moreover, it is important for women to be able to choose and discriminate- as it is upon their choices that we may judge their character in terms of self-respect for themselves.

    Bottom line, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. No normal man, in the West, would hold such beliefs if he didn’t have serious problems with women. If you have ever been laid, it was probably with some kind of prostitute.

  15. 15
    Procopus Says:

    But don’t you understand, Procopus? That you can’t get laid and are sexually frustrated IS the heart of the issue.

    Listen, my friend. You, I MEAN you, believe that getting laid IS the heart of the issue.

    Really, Is getting laid the the heart of the matter. You have no idea who I am. Really, you don’t.

    I am only looking for a true love, what ever that may be, I care not for “getting laid”. It’s easy to afford it, if you want it to be! Trust me.

    This argument is not about getting laid. Only children think it is.

  16. 16
    chrisy58 Says:

    Procopus,

    I hope you do find your soulmate and true love. Who will love you unconditionaly and be a good helpmate to you and who will encourage and inspire you to be the best you can be and to achieve your goals. I also hope you will love her, protect her, and cherish her like no other.

    It is not easy to find a lasting love in this life. I am still looking for my true love and I am 51 years old.

    I do understand in not making your children have to live through divorce. I lived through divorce too. I always wanted a marrage like my grandparents had.

    Sometimes I see on White Nationalist/Right wing boards the blame goes out to women. Though to be honest I think both sexes have been part of the problem and not the solution.

    I hope that both of us find true love what ever that may be.

    Chrisy

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    Aslan Maskhadov Says:

    Procopus, you prove my point yet again. You see, there is no merit to your argument, which amounts to what could rightfully be called a rapist’s creed. There is only one reason why someone who is hopefully not a rapist would adopt such views, and I outlined them before.

    If you wish, we will say “getting laid” is not the issue, but rather sexual acceptance and frustration are a major part of the issue. The thing about “true love” is also very telling- this is commonly said by “nice guys”, many of whom are very conventional or traditional. Nice guys, after years of being rejected while putting women on a pedastal, are notorious for turning into frustrated not-so-nice misogynists.

    Ask yourself this- how can you call a relationship “true love” when you would deny your “love” the right to control her own body- when you would force her to do something she doesn’t want to do at a particular time, and insist that she doesn’t have the right to say no. That is the love one may have for a dog, or a car, but it is not love between human beings.

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    Procopus Says:

    Chrisy58,
    If I find the right woman, I most certainly will “love her, protect her, and cherish her like no other.” Why wouldn’t I? I want her to be happy so I will be happy, and the children will be. There is no point in being cruel to your own wife, I only insist that I am the boss. Every ship needs a captain.
    It is not easy to find a lasting love in this life. I am still looking for my true love and I am 51 years old.
    In the old days, most people were married and it lasted all their life. So many people having dysfunctional relationships, tells me that something is wrong.
    Sometimes I see on White Nationalist/Right wing boards the blame goes out to women. Though to be honest I think both sexes have been part of the problem and not the solution.
    It is true, there is a tendency for the sexes to point fingers at each other. Something has happened in society that has turned men and women against each other. Sure men and women argued before, but they still worked together, and even complimented each other in their sex roles. Children didn’t use to bring weapons to school and kill their classmates, that is a modern phenomenon.

    I hope that both of us find true love what ever that may be.

    Me too.

    Aslan Maskhadov, are you accusing me of being a nice guy? I thought was a caveman rapist or something? So now, nice guys are rapists.

    It’s unfortunate that I used the term “true love”, I really regret it. I most certainly did not mean “true love” as in romantic love, as is the kind of love shown in hollywood movies and TV shows. As far as I’m concerned romantic love is the lowest form of love, and also the weakest. That’s why it’s important not to decide who you should marry based on romantic love. In the old days, many cultures considered romantic love a mental disease. Tragically, for women they eat, drink, and sleep romantic love (and some men too). That does not mean I will not be romantic with my wife, I like said before I will love her, it simply means I will not be choosing a wife based solely on emotions. Emotions change.

    You were accusing me of seeking out a wife for sex, or in your own words to have someone to “rape”, that is to say I was focusing wholly on the sexual aspect of a marriage. That’s why I reacted with the term “true love”. My mistake, I forget that people equat “true love” with romantic love. If I wanted only sex, then I would have no desire to get married what-so-ever. It’s far better for sex-centric people to stay in the world of hook up culture. I bet you don’t any problem getting laid Aslan Maskhadov.

    Ask yourself this- how can you call a relationship “true love” when you would deny your “love” the right to control her own body- when you would force her to do something she doesn’t want to do at a particular time, and insist that she doesn’t have the right to say no. That is the love one may have for a dog, or a car, but it is not love between human beings.

    Ask yourself this- how can a mother say she loves her children, if she forces her children to do something they do not want to do at a particular time, and that mother insists those children don’t have the right to say no. My mother used to make me mow the lawn on the weekends against my will, obviously my mother did not love me. Anyone that forces another to do something against their will, cannot love that person. That’s your philosophy of love, correct? But your taking about romantic love, I never was.

    Anyway, I wish you would stop trying to spin the discussion around by attempting to denouce me as a “loser”. Please stop. I will not work, and the lurkers can see what you are trying to do.

    -Procopus

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