SF Thread/Having to Give Up Your Child

At first I wasn’t going to comment on this post, out of respect for Deluna, but the way the White Nationalists have treated her has made me decide to post it here and show my compassion and support for another women who has known the hell of being raped.

Deluna Forum Member     Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Freezing my hinney WI Posts: 859 Blog Entries: 2

Having to give up your child So things sometimes work out odd yet for the best no matter how painful. Recently I have been going through a lot and have been on and off SF. My little one has gone to live with my mother and his big brother. I know I will get flamed for this but I have to let it out somewhere. I’m not on SF much anymore as I said and there are a ton of reasons why. Like I stated my little man has gone to live with his grandmother. I wanted to go away for college and he didn’t want to leave the rest of the family. How can I blame him? We have lived in 4 states in 2 years, he wants stability and security. I cant do that, I’m not done trying to figure out my life and what to do and exactly who I want to be. It makes me sad but everything happens for a reason. I miss him, so much. I’m glad he is happy and my mother waking up and being aware helps. She will raise him the way I would just less extreme as I did. I feel deep pain and loss but at the same time I cant help but feel that maybe some women are not born to raise children. I don’t know how to be a mother, I don’t have the maternal feelings most have. I guess I was a street kid too long and the way I think and feel may never go away. I needed to do what made him happy and not what made others happy. He is happy, very much so. So I am going back down to FL and going to go to UCF or another college for something else that I wont state out of anonymity and wanting to finish my education. I’m confused, lost, scared, hurt, angry, and disappointed in myself. The most I feel I can do is do something more with my life so that my boys understand why I did what I did and become something to make them proud.

I know you won’t get support from White Nationalists, but going to college and getting an education is providing a future for your child.  He is in a safe environment with your mother while you are going to school and working on getting an education so that you can provide for you child.  I hope that at the same time you will work on your own healing.  Any woman who has gone through rape has to heal emotionally. You also have the added pressure of feeling guilty because you are struggling to feel like a mother to your sons who were the product of your rape.  You are a brave woman and you had your sons.  You love them very much and I hope with time, love, and healing that you and your boys can work through all this and become a strong family.  I wish you the best.

Do not let these White Nationalists make you feel guilty for going to school and working on yourself right now, so that in the future you can be a good mother to your children.  My mom left my sister with her mom in Kansas when she first moved to CA so that she could establish herself.  My sister was happy and she was safe until my mother had established herself in L.A.

Being a mother is doing what is best for your child even if it means you have to give that child up.  White Nationalists are wrong in making you feel guilty because you placed your boy’s needs first in your life.  I am sorry that you have to deal with all the crap that your fellow White Nationalists are dishing out at you. 

I know it was a hard decision and I for one wish you luck. 

SteelMagnolia Forum Member     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: State of Tennessee – Former Country of U.S.A. Posts: 793

Re: Having to give up your child Quote: Originally Posted by Deluna Actually I have 3 sons. Thank you and before you start popping your mouth off you should know facts first. My first one the “father” is still in prison for what he did to me and his rights were terminated. My second his father and I were together for 5 years, we split up but remained friends. He thought since it was once his it still was and took it. My third child I used protection with his father. I went to the doctor one day and found out I was pregnant. I was mortified, in tears and you know what he said to me? “I know now you can never leave me b*tch” I did not know I did not have maternal instincts, I thought one day I would have a family and children. I couldn’t do it, I tried very hard hoping one day something would just click and everything would come together and be the way it was supposed to be and feel the way I was supposed to feel. I didn’t bring children into this world from being irresponsible and knowing I couldn’t do it. So before you judge think first. Life is not peaches and cream for everyone, I’m lucky though I could have had it a lot worse like some other people in this world. I’m lucky I’m wasn’t locked in a cage and burned with cigarettes, or raped in a drug house and murdered, or any of the other horrible things that have happened to so many. I hope you’re not expecting a shoulder to cry on from every SF lady because what I’m hearing is that you’ve made some really bad personal decisions based on bad character judgement and now your parents and your children are going to pay the price for your (how was it you said it…”I’m not done trying to figure out my life and what to do and exactly who I want to be.”) Maybe you should have figured out what it was you ‘wanted to be’ before you kept having kids that were going to be raised by someone else. Oh, I have little doubt that your mother loves the children but, I think it’s pretty selfish of you to foist YOUR responsibilities off on her when her child-rearing SHOULD be over. Don’t start with me either about the abusive fathers (I notice you didn’t say HUSBAND a single time). I was married (and had two beautiful children) with one of those men that they like to make those Lifetime and WE channel movies about. Did you ever see the Burning Bed? Well, I’m here to tell you that the guy in that movie couldn’t have held a light to my first husband. He almost killed me himself TWICE and the only reason I’m still here is God wasn’t ready to call me home yet (my husband was 6’6″ and about 245 lbs while I’m around 5’5″ and weighed about 120 at the time). Thank the Good Lord, I was finally able to get out of that situation after 14 years with my children in my care and as my responsibilty. You see, when I made the deicsion to HAVE them and then made the decision to not put them up for adoption, that made them MY responsibility. I worked and kept a nice, clean roof over our heads and, while there were times that I went hungry, my children NEVER did. You can call it maternal instincts or whatever you want to make yourself feel better but what it ultimately boils down to is RESPONSIBILITY. You’re not telling me that you couldn’t find a college close to home where mayby your mom could have just helped out with baby-sitting and such. No, you made yet another decision based on what YOU want out of life and are trying to justify foisting your children off on your mother. I’m not trying to lay a guilt trip on you but I would like you to stop and take a REALLY long look at your REAL motives and just what your decisions are costing your mother and your sons. You can believe me that this is the exact same thing that I would be telling my own daughter were she ever to have found herself in any similar situation (and she did go through a period of a couple of years exhibiting behaviors that we didn’t condone and you can bet she HEARD about it — that’s what good moms are for – it’s now known as ‘tough love’). Sometimes we need friends who aren’t afraid to tell us what they REALLY think. I won’t apologize if this makes anyone mad. We come to this forum and run down and make disparaging comments about blacks and hispanics who do such things and yet I see many here condoning or making excuses for a White who does the same things. Either we hold Our Race to higher standards or we just give up and join the lower life forms.

I do understand what you are saying about finding a college closer and her mom helping with the boys.   My only question is maybe what she wants to study is not offered at the college near where they live?  Maybe the school in FL is the one she is best able to afford because they might be the one who is helping her the most.  Not every college has the program we want to study or works out best for us.

I think you and some of the other women are being very hard on her.  It is I am such a great mom and you are a terrible mother who doesn’t deserve to work on healing and working through her emotions so that she can be a better woman, mother, and move forward in life.  It is like you fail to understand until a woman who is suffering emotional problems because of things that have happen in her life that caused her to have these emotional problems that she is not going to move forward and but is stuck and needs to work through those emotions.

It was very brave for her to do what she is doing.  Yes, she posted on a White Nationalist board in the woman’s section.  I don’t think she was prepared for the harsh judgment and condemnation that she received.  Actually I hope it opens her eyes to the truth and she will have the courage to leave White Nationalism behind her and move forward and get the healing she needs, the college education and become a woman who raises her sons to be the best they can be, because their mom loved them enough to work on herself so that she could give them her best.

 

whitewheeler1488 Forum Member   Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 22

Re: Having to give up your child Quote: Originally Posted by Deluna Actually I have 3 sons. Thank you and before you start popping your mouth off you should know facts first. My first one the “father” is still in prison for what he did to me and his rights were terminated. My second his father and I were together for 5 years, we split up but remained friends. He thought since it was once his it still was and took it. My third child I used protection with his father. I went to the doctor one day and found out I was pregnant. I was mortified, in tears and you know what he said to me? “I know now you can never leave me b*tch” I did not know I did not have maternal instincts, I thought one day I would have a family and children. I couldn’t do it, I tried very hard hoping one day something would just click and everything would come together and be the way it was supposed to be and feel the way I was supposed to feel. I didn’t bring children into this world from being irresponsible and knowing I couldn’t do it. So before you judge think first. Life is not peaches and cream for everyone, I’m lucky though I could have had it a lot worse like some other people in this world. I’m lucky I’m wasn’t locked in a cage and burned with cigarettes, or raped in a drug house and murdered, or any of the other horrible things that have happened to so many. Thank you for sharing some of the “facts” but if what I said upset you, its because its true. All I hear is excuses from you. I am not here to wipe your tears after another mistake. My goal, my only goal is the 14 words!!! As a woman my job is to have children ( I have 3 all with the same WHITE father ) and raise them the WHITE way.

Yes,  you believe the lie of White Nationalism that your only role as a woman is to have White Babies and to raise them WHITE.  To raise your sons be good soldiers for the White Race and your daughters to start having white babies young and have as many as she can.

I will most likely be accused of not liking children, but the truth is I love children.  If I had met the right man I would have wanted to have lots of babies and have the American dream, but life didn’t work out that way, and one must make the best of the situation they find themselves in.

 Are you really happy?  Are you really fulfilled as a woman?  Yes, being a mother is a wonderful thing and one of the true blessings in life, but I believe that women can play more than just one role of motherhood. I don’t believe it is right to judge another woman because she wasn’t as lucky as you in finding Mr. Right and for a time she leaves her son with her mother while she is working on getting herself in the place that she can be in a position to raise him with all the tools needed so that he grows up happy and well adjusted in life.  The wrong mother can be worst than no mother.

Deluna Forum Member     Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Freezing my hinney WI Posts: 859 Blog Entries: 2

Re: Having to give up your child You know something what part of the first 2 i was not a willing perticipant did you all not get? Ya know delete my account **** you guys, none of you get it. I feel ****ty enough about it as it is, and yes you stupid bitch I do have to go to FL for my school, there are only 3 in the united states one state I wont step foot in ever, one i cant afford and the 3rd I have other college friends to roommate with so it is not so expensive. No my mother did not raise me, I was out of a back pack on and off from 13 to 15 then at 16 I was on my own. So if you were never raised knowing what a family is or how to be a mother then stfu. My mom is a great lady now, shes grown and she offered to do this. I didnt ask her, I wouldnt even have metioned to her my feelings had she not sat me down. My brother is the same way, he would never know how to be a father but being a guy he seems to already know this. My husband or ex, whatever were talking to see if we can work it out too, he isnt/wasnt capable of being a father eigther. We both tried and we couldnt we turned very foul to each other. We tried to suck it up. I didnt abort any of them even though in many people eyes and advice it was encouraged because of the nature of the situtation at those times. Im not explaining myself further after this and again please delete my account. I came here to give a reason why exactly I had been on and off and what was happpening not get ragged on by harpies. Im not looking for a shoulder to cry on or pitty, Im not like that one bit. Matter of fact my own husband (or ex hubby, we’re talking again) didn’t even know about it until maybe a year into our marriage. He didnt know the time I was 10yrs old eigther till NOV 25th when I found out the bastard got out of prison in this area. So ya know something stick a sock in it, get something better to do and I pray for your kids that they never lack in parenting or ever have a problem they can not exactly control that displeases you, hell, ya’ll might string them up… Oh and after the 3rd one happened between medical reasons and not wanting to have another child in similar cicumstances I had a tubal, at 24. LC huggers

Maybe your eyes are starting to wake up about White Nationalism and how narrow minded they are in regards to women.  For your sake I truly hope so.

I am sorry you were raped.  You have to understand that to some White Nationalist men like my ex who is CI that they don’t believe the woman has the right to say no.  They don’t believe a man can rape a woman, but if she is raped it is because she asks for it.  They also like to say that women agree to have sex and than she thinks bad of herself so she cries rape when she really wasn’t.  They do not have a healthy view of women, and deep down inside I don’t think they even really like women that much, but they need us to have babies for them.  So you will find White Nationalist women who want to please their men parrot many of the same beliefs about women and our role in life.  Sometimes these women attack the woman who is different with more venom than the man, because it is woman on woman.  The women may call it tough love, but the truth is, it is not tough love, just condemnation and trying to make you feel guilty for daring to be different than the idea of what the perfect White Nationalist woman and mother should be in their mind.

White Nationalists like to say they have all these strong family values and that they treat women and children better than any non White Nationalist man, but the truth is that many times the worst abuse is in White Nationalist homes.  Abuse is very much a part of the Cause, though they like to try and hide that dirty little secret along with all the other little secrets that a good White Nationalist keeps hidden for the good of the Cause.

You might even have PTSD because of the rape and abuse.  I know the White Nationalists won’t tell you this, but you are doing the right thing in leaving your sons with your mom while you go and get healing for yourself.  You need to heal and work on you first so that you can be in a place where you can be a good mother to them. Just because you go to college and  you work on getting well, I know that you will still be a part of your sons lives.  They will know you are their mother and why for now you must work on your own healing so that in the future you can be a better mother to them.

What you are doing takes courage, so don’t let those idiots make you feel bad, because you want to go to college and work on getting yourself in a healthy place.

momo’4 ~DIXIEDARLIN~ “Friend of Stormfront” Sustaining Member     Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Where the snow is finally starting to melt,and the sun is shining once again Posts: 1,774

Re: Having to give up your child Quote: Originally Posted by Freya14 Yeah, I’m going to have to remove myself from this thread. I am truly sorry Deluna for what you are going through right now, and I only hope for the best for you and your child. This thread is just too much for me too deal with, and the comments in it. Honestly,I don’t think a lot of the women on this thread are giving constructive criticism,words of guidance,or words of wisdom. Instead,they like to toot their own horns and say “Look at me,I am the best mom in the world,and you are a piece of crap”. See the difference?

I agree with you and your friend freya 14. I wasn’t going to comment on this thread, out of respect for this woman, but because of the response from White Nationalists I decided that I would try and encourage her.  She is a fellow rape victim and most likely is suffering from some form of PTSD.

I am glad to see a few of you White Nationalist women supporting and trying to help her through this difficult time in her life.  I also wanted to let her know that as a woman who has been raped in my own life and suffers from PTSD that I am here for her as well.  Isn’t it sad that your friend gets more compassion from a Liberal woman who is actually fighting the message of White Nationalism.  Yet, we are all women and any woman who has been raped and abused is going to be there for her sister who has also been forced to live in that hell.

I may not be explaining this very well, but I am here if any woman is fighting the effects of rape, abuse and is suffering from PTSD and wants to put the past behind and get healing and hopefully move on to a better place in this world.  I know that is my goal, so I hope this blog and help other women who want the same thing.

I am sorry Deluna that you are having to go through this, but I hope in one small way it will open your eyes to the true nature of White Nationalism and you can move forward in life and leave the White Nationalist cause behind you.

There is a better life out there for you and your sons.  Good luck.

SF Thread-Our Leaders must Explain their Actions

I found this post on SF and wanted to post it here.

warriorscross
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Our leaders must explain their actions

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This is something I read on another site. Is this the truth? I don’t know, but it’s time to cut the bull. I’d rather someone say nothing than to tell a lie. Like I say I just want to get to the truth. This isn’t my statement. 9/11 was committed by the Israeli Mossad and anyone who says different is a liar.

None of the White Supremacists provide the truth about the 9/11 attack, the Federal Reserve System, the attack on the USS Liberty, the world wars, the mysterious breaking of the New Orleans levees, the Apollo moon landing hoax, or much else.

More shocking, some White Supremacists imply that the Zionist story of 9-11 is correct. For example, in October 2004 David Duke wrote about 9-11, but instead of exposing it as a Zionist crime, he writes as if he employed by Newsweek:

If Osama bin Laden is the man behind the attack…
http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=13

Since Duke has been active in the “truth movement” for decades, he should have been aware of the evidence of the demolition of the towers by October of 2004.

Is Duke really as stupid or as naive as he appears? If so, why are people looking to him for guidance? How “supreme” are white supremacists when their leader still hasn’t figured out that the towers were demolished with explosives? Shouldn’t a group of “supremacists” have a better understanding of the world than the ordinary people?

Update:

On February 22, 2008, Duke wrote this article about the burning of the embassy in Serbia, and he once again made a remark that is similar to those from Ron Paul. Specifically, near the bottom of that article David Duke says that America’s foreign policy “makes enemies” and “resulted directly in the tragedy of the 9-11 attacks”. Duke avoids blaming Israel for the 9/11 attack. He is trying to fool us into thinking our foreign policy caused the Arabs to attack us. He is also ignoring the fact that the Israelis put explosives in the World Trade Center buildings and blew them up with thousands of people inside, and that today there are thousands of people suffering lung and other health problems from breathing the demolition debris.

David Duke often criticizes Israel, which creates the impression that he opposes Israeli crimes, but he is only exposing a portion of what Israel is doing. He is protecting their involvement in 9/11 and other crimes. He is giving you only a portion of the truth.

In his March 1, 2007 radio broadcast he blamed the Arabs for the attack on the USS Cole, and for the attack on the Marine Corps barracks in 1983. Duke mentioned Victor Ostrovsky to justify his accusation that Arabs were responsible. Why would David Duke use Ostrovsky — a Mossad agent — to support his theory that the Arabs were responsible for the attacks? Because Duke is trying to protect Israel and blame the Arabs. My advice is don’t trust Ostrovsky, as I explain here:
Ostrovsky-deception.html

David Duke is not a White “Supremacist”. Duke is White Trash. He is a liar who works for Zionist Jews, probably because of blackmail.
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I am not a big fan of David Duke but I do feel like there are some mistruths in your post. You say you want the truth. That is good. Always be willing to listen with an open mind and you will find it. The truth is not always easy, but it is always worth the effort once you know the truth.

I believe that American foreign policy under this Bush Administration has made our position worse in the world. I might not come out and say this in the exact way as David Duke or believe as he does, but I will agree that our policies have caused people around the world to hate us.

When a country uses torture on people than those people who are being tortured hate us. So yes, I do believe that our foreign policy has been a disaster and frankly we won’t know all that has gone on the past 8 years until we get someone else in the White House and the new President has a chance to see what has been hidden all these years.

I think I can say with certainity that David Duke and I agree that George W. Bush should be impeached and tried for War Crimes along with others in his Administration who are also guilty. We both believe that George W. Bush is a traitor and has betrayed the American people.

Even though his term is almost over we still need the Democratic Congress to start impeachment proceedings. We need to send the message around the world that We(Americans) do not support torture and the other policies that Bush has done during his ten year as President. If we continue to do nothing than the other Foreign Countries are right to assume that we went along with this President because the Opposition Party didn’t stand up to Bush and start doing the right thing. I keep hoping the Democratic Congress will start growing some backbone.

I may be a Progressive and David Duke a White Nationalist but we both can agree that the Iraq War needs to be stopped NOW!!!! Bring our troops home!!!!! How many more must die? How many more lives be ruined? I think we also agree that we must not go to war with IRAN.

The media is doing a terrible job in educating the American people to the truth of what is really going on with our government. The media would rather keep us ignorant on what is really important and smart on gossip and rumors about movie stars. I have discovered YouTube. I didn’t have high speed and couldn’t get it before. That is a source of information that I think is a good tool.

Have you ever met David Duke? I have and I can tell you that he is not white trash. I don’t respect him because he acted like a jerk, but he is not white trash. He actually from what I understand can speak several languages and I wouldn’t say he is stupid either. He is smart and cunning like a fox.

I do not agree with him on much as he doesn’t agree with me. We didn’t share the same heroes as kids. It is like we have always been on the opposite side of the fence. I am the North and he is the South. He has roots back to the Mayflower like me and I have roots back to ole Virginia but he spent most of his time in the South and I spent most of my time in the North. While I admired President Kennedy, he admired George Wallace.

So I am not defending him because I agree with him or because I respect him, but because I think that things have been said and written about him that are not exactly 100% the truth. I know that feeling because I too have been harshly judged on rumors, hearsay, lies, half truth, and gossip. It is no fun to know that people only see the lies and do not take the time to get to know the real person.

You asked why White Nationalist look to him as a leader. Fair question. I think one reason is that he brought them into the modern age. He ran for political office in LA and actually served as a state rep. HE is a very good speaker and motivates people to act. I think he inspires people to believe. He gives them hope. He has very loyal followers.

He is very smart and if White Nationalism succeeds it will be because David Duke was able to inspire, teach, and movtive the White Nationalists to be smart in their actions to bring their vision into reality. People shouldn’t take him for granted and just write him off, because he is very charming and can draw people to him. I kind of think of him as the Pipe Piper leading his followers and showing them the way.

It doesn’t matter what I or the rest of the world think of David Duke. The only thing that matters is that his followers trust and are devoted to him. They look at him as someone who can show them how to save their race. He has a very strong hold over his followers. They truly believe in him and his message.

Do you really think on Stormfront that David Duke is going to explain his actions to you?

I used to think that David Duke was for women’s rights.  On You Tube this morning I found this clip called White Motherhood.  In that clip David Duke talks about how white women should choose motherhood and have babies to save our race over wanting a career.  He had pictures of Hilary Clinton and other women leaders who have fought for women’s rights over the years and made them seem like they were evil. You lied about them as you accuse people of lying about you.

You praise Hitler as being a leader who encouraged motherhood and families.  The Third Reich was held out by you as the perfect example on families. I know that some aspects of life was better for the German people after Hitler came into power but before the war because the depression was so bad and after Hitler came into power they had jobs and bread. There are two sides to every story and both sides have to be told. The economy was better for the people and they were able to start having families again. Just because the economy got better doesn’t make Hitler’s actions right. Yes, the economy got better when he first got into power because he was building up his military and the people had jobs.

Hitler murdered millions of people. If Hitler was so right then why did Rummel (sp) as well as other Generals try and overthrow Hitler? Rummel and the other Generals knew that Hitler was destroying Germany and the German people and that was he was doing was evil and had to be stoped. The Generals were hoping to kill Hitler and overthrow the government and therefore end the war sooner which had cause so much suffering in the world. One thing I don’t understand about White Nationalists is that Hitler failed, but they hold him out as this hero to their race. Hitler Lost!!!!! If Hilter was so great than he wouldn’t have lost would he?

Again I feel like I was stupid to believe the people who told me he was all for women’s rights and didn’t have a problem with women being active in politics.  Most women want to have a family.  We are not these evil creatures who want to destroy families, White manhood, or whatever else we are accused of. 

Mr. Duke women can do both.  Women can be good mothers and wifes and still at the same time have a career if that is their choice.  Who are you to say that women need to choose motherhood over careers.  It shouldn’t be a choice between either or.  There is flex time and some employeers even have child care at the work place on site.  There is working from home.

I thought Mr. Duke you were one of the few WN who understood this and would have supported women’s rights.  I was wrong again.  Everytime I try and listen to you with an open mind I find out that I have been fooled.  My problem is I try to find the good in everyone and am to trusting.

I feel sorry for you. 

Here is the clip:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EGY7UmD2wCU

The truth is that David Duke is a very complex person. The question I always asked myself was who is the real David Duke?