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Seattle to get Anne Frank sapling

October 18, 2009

I think this is wonderful.  I am glad one of the trees is going to be in Boston.  Hopefully it will help people to remember and not forget the terrible times that many people suffered because of allowing hate of others.

Seattle to get Anne Frank sapling

October 17, 2009 3:07 PM PDT

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Maybe looking at a tree grown from the one Anne Frank stared at through the window of her hiding place will lend some perspective amid the country’s “festering of hatred, the lack of tolerance,” said Holocaust survivor Pete Metzelaar, citing current extremes in public demonstrations and the media.

Maybe it will serve as a reminder that “any community is in danger of falling into intolerance,” said Ilana Kennedy, director of education at the Washington State Holocaust Education Resource Center.

A sapling from that tree will be planted in a meadow at Seattle’s Volunteer Park.

New York City’s Anne Frank Center USA and Amsterdam’s Anne Frank House also awarded saplings to 10 other U.S. locations after it was announced that the original horse chestnut tree was dying and had to be cut down, Kennedy said.

“The tree is meant to be a symbol of tolerance and to remind us of the dangers of intolerance and prejudice,” Kennedy said.

Said Metzelaar, 73, of Seattle: “I think it’s fantastic.”

Long required reading in classrooms around the world, Frank’s diary recounts how the girl stared at the tree while hiding in Nazi-occupied Amsterdam during World War II.

After someone betrayed Frank’s family and the others living with them, she died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the age of 15.

Born in Amsterdam, Metzelaar escaped Frank’s fate after a similar childhood. He and his mother were the only survivors in his family, shielded by a family on a farm for two years and hiding beneath floorboards and in caves during Nazi inspections. The rest of his family was murdered at Auschwitz.

A frequent speaker on the subject for the Holocaust Center, Metzelaar said of the tree’s symbolism, “Without personalizing it, I think it is something from the dark days of the past to the beginning of new life, fulfilling a young girl’s dream of a brighter and more just world of the future.”

The Holocaust Center’s grant proposal — done with Seattle Parks and Recreation — cited the 2006 shooting at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle that left one dead and five injured, Kennedy said.

“Being in Seattle and being so far away from Anne Frank and Amsterdam — to have something like this in Seattle just connects us globally and reminds us that any community is in danger of falling into intolerance,” Kennedy said of the shooting. “I think an act like this came as a surprise to everyone in the area, that something like this could happen in an area that’s known for being so open-minded and liberal.”

The second trial of the gunman in the shooting, Naveed Haq, is scheduled to begin Tuesday.

The sapling will be quarantined for two years after it arrives from Amsterdam, then memorialized with a plaque.

Other recipients of saplings from the Anne Frank House tree were: The White House; The Children’s Museum of Indianapolis; Sonoma State University, California; Boston Common, Massachusetts; Holocaust Memorial Center, Michigan; Idaho Anne Frank Human Rights Memorial; The National September 11 Memorial & Museum and Southern Cayuga School District in New York; The William J. Clinton Foundation and Central High School, both in Arkansas.

To Garfield and Ken

October 17, 2009

I found this article on VNN and I am posting it here for Ken and Garfield.  I thought you guys would be interested. 

Lady Renouf challenges Holocaust

At the European Parliament, during a conference against “Denial”, Lady Renouf asks for proof, one single proof, of “the Holocaust”

From London, where she lives, Lady Michèle Renouf has recently been to Brussels and there, equipped with the necessary authorisations, on October 6, 2009 she was able to take part, inside the very building housing the European Parliament, in a conference on “Denial and Democracy in Europe”. Devoted to the preparation of a pan-European law criminalising revisionism (in the current jargon, “Holocaust denial”), the conference attracted about two hundred people, amongst whom a few members of the European Parliament; it was held under the patronage of the German Elmar Brok, a former journalist now himself an MEP. In a lengthy account in English, Lady Renouf has summed up the content of the various talks, naturally all antirevisionist, each one more pitiful than the rest.

Amongst the photos she includes in her account are a few of one Gilles Karmazyn; hitherto, in his long-running efforts on the Internet to track down revisionists and their writings, this petty Torquemada had succeeded in hiding his face, no image of which is to be found even with Google or Wikipedia.

But the most surprising thing is that, by luck, Lady Renouf, unknown to the person presiding over the conference, obtained permission to speak after the scheduled participants and she – who is neither a revisionist nor an antirevisionist – proceeded to deliver an out-and-out plea for a free debate on “the Holocaust”; she went so far as to ask that, in order to set off that debate, one proof, one single proof of the existence of the Nazi gas chambers be supplied.

In any case, the present days seem to bear out the impression that the exterminationist argument is, as the Americans say, running out of gas. One may indeed ask whether the lie of the alleged Nazi gas chambers is now in more or less the same state as Ariel Sharon. And, if it’s dead, isn’t it about time it was buried?

A brief and forceful address

Here is the text of Lady Renouf’s brief and forceful address. In it, the letters “WMD” designate the “weapons of mass destruction” attributed to Adolf Hitler, that is, those “gas chambers” and those “gas vans” allegedly conceived and used for killing the Jews of Europe, but of which no trace has ever been found and which, for obvious physical and technical reasons, are quite simply inconceivable.

Robert FAURISSON – October 11, 2009

Thank you, Madam Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,

This conference is entitled “Denial and Democracy”. There is surely only one way to combat “denial” in a “democratic” context – by not instituting debate-denial across Europe but instead by providing documentary evidence to disprove the deniers’ case. Two weeks ago Benjamin Netanyahu based his address to the United Nations on evidence – so-called industrial WMD construction blueprints – which had been rejected as spurious by Jewish experts such as Prof. Van Pelt, who went so far as to say “the deniers are having great fun because it shows how people are gullible”. These same documents held up as proofs by Netanyahu were in fact first discovered and published in 1976 (as proof of the normality of gas chambers[*] thus labelled for disinfecting clothing) by the veteran revisionist Professor Robert Faurisson!

Can this expert conference succeed where Netanyahu failed? Can this conference send us away with one – just one – clear item of documentary proof which confounds source-critical Holocaust revisionists? Or must we merely silence such sceptical voices with threats, fines and prison sentences and teach our school children debate-denial of normal historical source criticism? Have you seen the “Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust”? [holding up the Handbook cover] If I may I’ll quote from it: “Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers … or seek to disprove the deniers’ position through normal historical debate and rational argument.”

As a former lecturer at a university (**) I ask, please: Can the EU do what the UN did not and give us today one document upon which school children and their teachers can rely? For even the denial law does not define what is the unique industrial WMD for which denial of proof condemns citizens of Europe and beyond to sit for years in prison.

(*) Note by RF: Here there is some slight confusion. It was indeed on March 19, 1976 that I discovered the building plans of the Auschwitz and Birkenau crematoria; it was precisely in the Archives section of the Auschwitz State Museum, which had been keeping them hidden since the war, that I’d had the chance to make that discovery. But only nearly three years later was it that, after considerable difficulties, I finally found the way to show copies of a few of my 116 Auschwitz documents to the press, in this case a reporter and a photographer from the Spanish magazine Interviu. In issue n° 145 of that weekly (February 22-28, 1979, p. 64-66), I am seen pointing at a part of Krematorium II; I’m showing the plan of a vast room which, given the layout of the area and the room’s situation, dimensions, structure, ventilation system and other physical features, cannot have been an execution gas chamber but indeed was, as was clearly written on the plan, a simple “basement depository” (Leichenkeller) meant to hold corpses awaiting cremation. Besides, there were other drawings indicating, in plain lettering, the existence here or there of one or several small “gas chambers” for “delousing” (Gaskammer / Entlausung).

(**) Note by RF: In reply to one conference speaker who, in a tone of disdain, had asked her: “What subject did you lecture in and where?”, Lady Renouf, Australian by birth, said: “I lectured in Fine Arts and pioneered Media Studies at the Queensland University of Technology, because I took a professional interest in source scepticism versus mirage advertising. I am now an independent documentary film-maker from London.”

Lady Renouf spoke at the 2005 Euro Conference.  I think I even talked to her  a few minutes.  She is a very good speaker.

I would be interested in your thoughts about her speech.

She asked for one single source of truth, but I believe that the proof has been provided by first hand accounts of what American soldiers found when they liberated the camps and the photos that they took.  I would think that would be considered proof as why would the American soldiers who liberated the camps lie?

“Diary of Bergen-Belsen, 1944-1945”: Amira Hass Discusses Her Mother’s Concentration Camp Diary

June 8, 2009

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“Diary of Bergen-Belsen, 1944-1945”: Amira Hass Discusses Her Mother’s Concentration Camp Diary

Interesting Thread About Hitler on VNN

March 29, 2009

I found this thread on VNN and even though it is very old, I wanted to post it in my History and WWII section, because I found it very interesting.  It goes back to 2004.

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More than thirty years have now passed since I in 1914 made my modest contribution as a volunteer in the first world war that was forced upon the Reich.
In these three decades I have been actuated solely by love and loyalty to my people in all my thoughts, acts, and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions which have ever confronted mortal man. I have spent my time, my working strength, and my health in these three decades.

It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the control and limitation of armaments, which posterity will not for all time be able to disregard for the responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be laid on me. I have further never wished that after the first fatal world war a second against England, or even against America, should break out. Centuries will pass away, but out of the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred against those finally responsible whom we have to thank for everything, International Jewry and its helpers, will grow.

Three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish war I again proposed to the British ambassador in Berlin a solution to the German-Polish problem – similar to that in the case of the Saar district, under international control. This offer also cannot be denied. It was only rejected because the leading circles in English politics wanted the war, partly on account of the business hoped for and partly under influence of propaganda organized by International Jewry.

I have also made it quite plain that, if the nations of Europe are again to be regarded as mere shares to be bought and sold by these international conspirators in money and finance, then that race, Jewry, which is the real criminal of this murderous struggle, will be saddled with the responsibility. I further left no one in doubt that this time not only would millions of children of Europe’s Aryan people die of hunger, not only would millions of grown men suffer death, and not only hundreds of thousands of women and children be burnt and bombed to death in the towns, without the real criminal having to atone for this guilt, even if by more humane means.

After six years of war, which in spite of all setbacks, will go down one day in history as the most glorious and valiant demonstration of a nation’s life purpose, I cannot forsake the city which is the capital of this Reich. As the forces are too small to make any further stand against the enemy attack at this place and our resistance is gradually being weakened by men who are as deluded as they are lacking in initiative, I should like, by remaining in this town, to share my fate with those, the millions of others, who have also taken upon themselves to do so. Moreover I do not wish to fall into the hands of an enemy who requires a new spectacle organized by the Jews for the amusement of their hysterical masses.

I have decided therefore to remain in Berlin and there of my own free will to choose death at the moment when I believe the position of the Führer and Chancellor itself can no longer be held.

I die with a happy heart, aware of the immeasurable deeds and achievements of our soldiers at the front, our women at home, the achievements of our farmers and workers and the work, unique in history, of our youth who bear my name.

That from the bottom of my heart I express my thanks to you all, is just as self-evident as my wish that you should, because of that, on no account give up the struggle, but rather continue it against the enemies of the Fatherland, no matter where, true to the creed of a great Clausewitz. From the sacrifice of our soldiers and from my own unity with them unto death, will in any case spring up in the history of Germany, the seed of a radiant renaissance of the National Socialist movement and thus of the realization of a true community of nations.

Many of the most courageous men and women have decided to unite their lives with mine until the very last. I have begged and finally ordered them not to do this, but to take part in the further battle of the Nation. I beg the heads of the Armies, the Navy and the Air Force to strengthen by all possible means the spirit of resistance of our soldiers in the National Socialist sense, with special reference to the fact that also I myself, as founder and creator of this movement, have preferred death to cowardly abdication or even capitulation.

May it, at some future time, become part of the code of honor of the German officer – as is already the case in our Navy – that the surrender of a district or of a town is impossible, and that above all the leaders here must march ahead as shining examples, faithfully fulfilling their duty unto death.

Second Part
Before my death I expel the former Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring from the party and deprive him of all rights which he may enjoy by virtue of the decree of June 29th, 1941; and also by virtue of my statement in the Reichstag on September 1st, 1939, I appoint in his place Grossadmiral Dönitz, President of the Reich and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsführer-SS and Minister of the Interior Heinrich Himmler, from the party and from all offices of State. In his stead I appoint Gauleiter Karl Hanke as Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the German Police, and Gauleiter Paul Giesler as Reich Minister of the Interior.

Göring and Himmler, quite apart from their disloyalty to my person, have done immeasurable harm to the country and the whole nation by secret negotiations with the enemy, which they have conducted without my knowledge and against my wishes, and by illegally attempting to seize power in the State for themselves. . . .

Although a number of men, such as Martin Bormann, Dr. Goebbels, etc., together with their wives, have joined me of their own free will and did not wish to leave the capital of the Reich under any circumstances, but were willing to perish with me here, I must nevertheless ask them to obey my request, and in this case set the interests of the nation above their own feelings. By their work and loyalty as comrades they will be just as close to me after death, as I hope that my spirit will linger among them and always go with them. Let them be hard but never unjust, but above all let them never allow fear to influence their actions, and set the honor of the nation above everything in the world. Finally, let them be conscious of the fact that our task, that of continuing the building of a National Socialist State, represents the work of the coming centuries, which places every single person under an obligation always to serve the common interest and to subordinate his own advantage to this end. I demand of all Germans, all National Socialists, men, women and all the men of the Armed Forces, that they be faithful and obedient unto death to the new government and its President.

Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, International Jewry.

Given in Berlin, this 29th day of April 1945, 4:00 A.M.

Adolf Hitler

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I don’t know how real this writing is, but I find the comments following this post very interesting.

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Quite obviously not the rantings of an insane despot. His thoughts were very clear. Who amongst us would have the steel left to write this, when it was written? How can you not admire such a man? 88!

By their work and loyalty as comrades they will be just as close to me after death, as I hope that my spirit will linger among them and always go with them. Let them be hard but never unjust, but above all let them never allow fear to influence their actions, and set the honor of the nation above everything in the world. Finally, let them be conscious of the fact that our task, that of continuing the building of a National Socialist State, represents the work of the coming centuries, which places every single person under an obligation always to serve the common interest and to subordinate his own advantage to this end.”

You are playing your role in keeping National Socialism alive.  AH would be proud of you White Nationalists today in the 21st century. Everyone must pick their own heroes in life.  Usually the heroes one chooses in life effects the kind of person they become.

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Quite obviously not the rantings of an insane despot. His thoughts were very clear. Who amongst us would have the steel left to write this, when it was written? How can you not admire such a man? 88!

Easy really.

On Hitler’s accession to Power he is recorded as stating ‘Give me ten years in power and you will not recognise Germany !’.

About ten years after Hitler got power, Germany watched defeated and in ruins as the Russians marched in to what was left of Berlin and Germany.

Hitler had prophesied correctly after all then?

This person is banned from VNN, but he brings up some important points in the discussion and makes this thread interesting.

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He and his people fought the good fight. They bled horribly to stop the Red Beast. And You mock Him? Mister, Yer a better man than I.

Merely quoting the comment that the German population had as they sat in ruins .

Unlike the ordinary German soldier, and I add that my father was a Gefreiter in the Wehrmacht in WW2 so I declare an interest: the three ‘Golden Pheasants’ as the German people called Hitler Himmler and Goering didnt have the balls to fight hand to hand with the ‘Red Beast’. All three of them eventually killed themselves, rather than having the courage to go down in hand to hand fighting – the option that others chose. So much for being Ubermensch or Supermen.

Little Heinrich (Himmler) couldnt even shoot a water pistol properly.

The German people lost out as a result of Hitler and its country is a fragment of what it was. Ask the German people if Hitler is the embodiment of Germany – I know what the clear response will be.

You talk from the experience have hearing your father talk about what happen firsthand.  These idiots who admire AH as their hero are for the most part Americans who have no real clue what AH was really like or what happen in Germany.

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Merely quoting the comment that the German population had as they sat in ruins .

Unlike the German soldier, Hitler Himmler and Goering didnt have the balls to fight hand to hand with the ‘Red Beast’. All three of them eventually topped themselves rather than having the courage to go down in hand to hand fighting. So much for being Supermen.

Ask the German people if Hitler is the embodiment of Germany – I know what the clear response will be.

Hitler didn’t want to fail in combat because of his many physical ailments. With one arm that didn’t work and tremors in the other he was not fit. Can You imagine if the Jew pigs had captured him?

I tend to agree with You about Himmler. But then again I was not there.

Goering dropped the drugs and weight and mounted a spirited defence during the Nuremberg Trails (Also known as Victors Justice). He told his fellow defendants that they should limit their defence to three words: “Lick My Ass!”
He then cheated the hangman (Sgt. John Smith…….a jew) by taking his own life.

I happen to know a couple of old Germans….And they still think Onkle Wolf is the shit. So take that to the bank and smoke it………….or something

We have a guy here who I used to run in to at the pool and he was 17 when he was a soldier in the German army he was a POW, and he has some interesting stories to tell. He grew up under Hitler and was part of the Hitler Youth who fought Hitler’s battles.

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Merely quoting the comment that the German population had as they sat in ruins .

Unlike the ordinary German soldier, and I add that my father was a Gefreiter in the Wehrmacht in WW2 so I declare an interest: the three ‘Golden Pheasants’ as the German people called Hitler Himmler and Goering didnt have the balls to fight hand to hand with the ‘Red Beast’. All three of them eventually killed themselves, rather than having the courage to go down in hand to hand fighting – the option that others chose. So much for being Ubermensch or Supermen.

Little Heinrich (Himmler) couldnt even shoot a water pistol properly.

The German people lost out as a result of Hitler and its country is a fragment of what it was. Ask the German people if Hitler is the embodiment of Germany – I know what the clear response will be.

And the lesson to us all about his existence: he was the only one to stand up and name the jew, blame the jew, and fight the jew. It wasn’t Hilter that ruined Germany, it was the international power of the jew. If you want to blame Hitler for the rape of Germany, then you must surely blame it’s attackers and not it’s defenders. A few thousand square miles of Polish land stolen in WW1 does not justify the world declaring war on a country gone white nationalist.

The war was a long and complex thing. There is no time to discuss it’s intricacies here. I like to boil things down anyway. So I must say, only the jew won WW2. Countless millions of dead whites and Israel the result, plus a big fat guilt trip/extortion racket known as the Holocaust.

Question: what’s the first thing people think if you bring up WW2?

Answer: 6 million harmless, friendly, lovable neighborhood jews exterminated by a proud, thriving, successful Germany gone totally insane for no reason whatsoever.

What was the unholy alliance of Red Communism with Blue Capitalism else a jewish conspiracy to utterly destroy Germany. Immediately, literally speaking, after crushing German, the US and the Soviets, two very white nations of racial brothers, go into a 50 year long “cold war” of hatred, suspicion, and pointless antagonism. Why?

The jews is why.

It is always name the Jew with you White Nationalists.  You might change your name and the face to put out to fool people, but the message is pretty much the same.  Except you have made a few changes like including all the White race in your chosen race of people who are superior to all the other races.  You say you do what you do out of love, but anyone with a half of brain sees through that lie and sees the hate spewing out of your mouths and hearts.

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Unlike the ordinary German soldier, and I add that my father was a Gefreiter in the Wehrmacht in WW2 so I declare an interest: the three ‘Golden Pheasants’ as the German people called Hitler Himmler and Goering didnt have the balls to fight hand to hand with the ‘Red Beast’. All three of them eventually killed themselves, rather than having the courage to go down in hand to hand fighting – the option that others chose. So much for being Ubermensch or Supermen.

Without getting into a verbal tit-for-tat, as I might share your disdain for most of the top leadership in just about any group, political party etc. One query for you:

Should A.H. have allowed himself to have been potentially captured and placed in a cage for his mortal enemies in the Kremlin? You know, Beria simply uttering, ” let’s fry Wolfie’s testicles today, the lads at Lubyanka have invented a new device.” There was no dishonor in what he did, none whatsoever.

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Easy really.

On Hitler’s accession to Power he is recorded as stating ‘Give me ten years in power and you will not recognise Germany !’.

About ten years after Hitler got power, Germany watched defeated and in ruins as the Russians marched in to what was left of Berlin and Germany.

Hitler had prophesied correctly after all then?

Quote:nations of Europe are again to be regarded as mere shares to be bought and sold by these international conspirators in money and finance, then that race, Jewry, which is the real criminal of this murderous struggle, will be saddled with the responsibility.] Hitler hoped a thousand years healthy westerns civilization. True, It took 10 years for the allies to detroy Germany and most of Europe, another 60 years for the zionist to destroy western nations,Many of our Urban cities are in ruins, not because of the luftwaffe, but by our zionist elites money speculation.

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ZOG has sown the seeds of its own destruction and only the valuable will be left standing after the storm.

Zog (Zionist Occupied Government) is what White Nationalists call the United States Government.

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JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY

That’s the headline the antis pretend was never published. But it was, in 1933, and it blows their lies sky-high. Jews around Rosenvelt the part-Jew, the Churchill lackey whose debts were bought by a Jewish millionaire when he was about to lose his mansion, Jews in the KGB and everywhere else in the Soviet leadership, Jews in American media, Jews in the French socialist and communist parties — these were the enemies of Europe who declared war on Germany, and declared it openly.

Adolf Hitler fought as best he could to defend his country, trying to make it strong through colonies in the east so that it could be independent and a haven for White resistance. The lackeys in the West attacked him on the pretext of “defending Poland”; the same Poland that had taken German land after WWI; the same Poland that was ruled by a madman who forced the occupied Germans to fight in his army; the same Poland that had invaded and taken land in Czechoslovakia, hardly a fluffy, peace-loving nation; the same Poland that was invaded by the USSR from the east while Germany attacked from the west, with, curiously, no war declaration against the USSR following from France and Britain; the same Poland that was after the war robbed of large parts of its territory by the USSR, and forced to suffer under a communist puppet state with Jews in the upper echelons.

Oh yes, Britain and France were “defending Poland” all right. Certainly not following up with a military attack where the economic attack on Germany had failed, an economic attack the purpose of which was to wreck the German economy through their blockades.

Oh yes, Germany was the aggressor. Oh yes, Germany was the danger to Europe, not the Soviet Jews or the Jews in British and French politics and media. Oh yes, the Hollywood corporations run by Jews are certainly telling us the truth about the Jewish role in history. Why wouldn’t they? What reason could Jews possibly have to cover up their roles in European wars? Doesn’t make sense that Hollywood would be distorting the Jewish story, does it?

Hitler knew the truth, and his message lives on. Next time the world. Heil Hitler.

Yes, I remember being told that at Euro 2004 about how the headlines in the paper declared war on Germany.  I also remember hearing about how they had said 6 million Jews had been killed in WWI and that it was not true, and they pointed out thaqt again the number of Jews to have died in WWII was 6 million.

I can’t tell you exactly how many Jewish people died, but I do know that Catholics and other Christians who helped the Jewish people shared the same fate.  I remember reading about Carrie Tan Boom I think her name was who along with her sister was arrested for following what Christ would have her do.  I also remember reading about a Christian Pastor who was safe in America, but he went back to Germany to be with his church and he was arrested for daring to speak the truth.

Nazi Germany was not known for freedom of speech and expression.  There were death camps were many people died.  The American Soldiers who were there and saw them, have written about what they saw.  Are you saying that those American soldiers lied?  Who am I going to trust first and foremost?  I am going to trust the American Soldier who was there first hand and talked about what he found in those camps.

Of course the National Socialists are going to deny that the camps were used to kill Jews and others who dared to stand up against the evil that Hitler and his nazis were doing.  They are trying to rewrite history so that the world will not judge them so harshly and you guys and work toward building your White Homeland.

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Green Man, your grasp of this part of history is incomplete. Let’s set the record straight.

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As for point 1 which you raise: Hitlers fight against Norway, Denmark, France, Belgium, Holland, Wales , Scotland and England was the type of ‘defence’ for his country that only a nutcase would make.

Only a nutcase would defend himself against the countries that attack him? Then what defense should a non-nutcase make? Should he defend himself against countries that don’t attack him while he’s under attack?

In case you didn’t know, Britain and France declared war on Germany and attacked its borders many times, while waiting for British troops to arrive from the colonies so they could launch a full invasion. If only a “nutcase” would defend himself against Britain and France, what should you do instead when you are attacked by them?

As for Belgium, it had to be taken to get around the Maginot Line, the well-fortified line of cannon France had set up against Germany. Would you prefer to attack such a wall from up front or from the rear? The cannon could not be turned around 180 degrees. And Belgium, by the way, was a de facto British and French ally as everyone knew.

As for Denmark, it was the only route to Norway. And Norway was where Britain was going to launch attacks at Germany from.

His fight against “Wales, Scotland”? Should he only fight England and not its provinces? That’d be hard. Or did you just want more names of places to lengthen your list with?

Here’s another tidbit of information: all of France was not taken. Marshal Pétain, the hero from WWI, made peace with Germany, ending France’s attack, when the crooked politicians had fled the country. Therefore, the Germans only occupied the northern part, which had industries they desperately needed to defend themselves against Britain, and the coastline in the West, which they had to defend against British invasions. The southern third of the country remained governed by what was called the French State or Vichy France under Pétain. The French State controlled the French empire, ten times larger than European France. French troops and ships fought on Germany’s side against the Brits, and against French traitors in the colonies. As soon as Britain had ended its attacks all French territory would be returned to the French State, except of course for Elsass and Lothringen which belonged to Germany. Meanwhile, British airplanes bombed French towns and cities to bits.

As for the attack on Russia, Russia had attacked Germany’s ally Romania and cut off the oil imports. An attack on a German ally was definitely cause for a German response. Not to mention that Russia was ruled by a tyranny the likes of which the world had never seen, in case anyone had forgotten. Would it have been better to wait until Russia had nuclear weapons in the fifties?

As for the United States, American ships had repeatedly attacked German ships, a clear act of war. Hitler gave the order to not respond to the attacks, wanting to hold off war, but eventually he had to face the fact that the U.S. was attacking his country’s defenses.

Perhaps you didn’t know the U.S. was attacking Germany.

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Unlike the ordinary German soldier, and I add that my father was a Gefreiter in the Wehrmacht in WW2 so I declare an interest: the three ‘Golden Pheasants’ as the German people called Hitler Himmler and Goering didnt have the balls to fight hand to hand with the ‘Red Beast’. All three of them eventually killed themselves, rather than having the courage to go down in hand to hand fighting – the option that others chose. So much for being Ubermensch or Supermen.
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first off, Hitler proved his balls in the First War as did Goering. I think you know that so we’ll skip the exposition of Hitler’s daring as a courier and infantryman or Goering’s exploits as a fighter ace.

As for Himmler, not the same story and yes he punked out at the end by many accounts.

Now back to Hitler. Elsewhere we have discussed his dedication to Germany and the NS ideal. He was the incarnation of that ideal matter of fact and his totat committment showed right up until the fight was lost and the Red army had over run the positions in Berlin. Hanna Ritsch and Ernst Rudel both offered to evacuate him via emergency landing on Berlin streets and he refused. As a commander he directed defensive positions until the very end. He requited the loyalty of the German soldier not be acting the fool and trying to make a bayonet charge into the arms of the drooling sadists of the NKVD but instead fell on his sword like a Roman of old. I normally dont approve of suicide but in this case his deeds were exceptional and you puking forth of that kosher vomit about him here will not be appreciated.

As for Goering I to was ignorant of his own last deeds prior to his suicide. Please obtain a copy of David Irving’s book Nuremberg and read up on this. Goering stood for the trial that Himmler was afraid of; Goering denounced the non-existent “jurisdiction” of this “trial” which was little more than a drumhead courtmartial and execution of a foreign diplomat in violation of the settled laws of war and diplomancy. Say that again: NUREMBERG WAS NOT A TRIAL IT WAS A VIOLATION OF THE EXISTING LAWS OF WAR IN 1945. It was nothing more than the victor executing the foreign chief. It was a setback to a barbaric age of war that threw out centuries of European conventions and customs and even Christian theology and existing conventions such as the Geneva accords and was no better than the Romans marching Vercingetorix through the streets in chains.

But Goering stood up against this illegal humiliation and denounced it and defended his actions as Reichsmarshall and the NS government. Thankfully David Irving for all his faults has told the true story of this. Goering overcame his addiction to morphine and dropped many pounds at Nuremberg and at them time shined again like the hero of old. It’s amusing to contrast the true record with the whining of the abjectly apologizing Speer who blamed this that and the next thing on Goering who stood up like a man and refused apologies.

Finally when the whole charade was more or less done, Goering deprived them of the Jewish opportunity to gloat over his hanging by suicide. One wonders where and how he was able to obtain the cyanide capsule and successfully keep it hidden throughtout the trial. Perhaps he had the aid of a merciful US gaurd. WHo knows, that is a mystery. But in spite of our normal disapproval of suicide, in my view his actions were gallant and noble and his suicide excusable.

In a subtle irony, after forty some years of captivity, the unarguably innocent Rudolph Hess also “committed suicide” even though it would seem more likely he was murdered. Another mystery.

I have heard David Irving speak in person here in Phoenix.  I even read a couple of his books.  He says he does the research for his books not by going to librarys but by talking to the family and friends of the people he wrote about.  That they trusted him and gave him journals to read.  His book on Goring was very interesting.

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Yeah my old man must have been an ‘unorthodox’ j** then ? – because he was in the SturmAbteilung and took part in the events fighting for Germany, but thats bye the bye ‘AnnieOakley’ old girl.

But back to timeline Berlin May and April 1945 at the time of Hitler’s last will and testament:

Goebbels had to issue an order on Saturday 21st April 1945 as the senior Nazis rushed out of Berlin to leave Adolf ‘high and dry’ against the encroaching red menace. Over 2,000 ‘passes’ had suddenly been requested by Nazi Party ‘Armchair warriors’.

Colonel von Refior (General Reymann’s Chief of Staff) had commented on the ‘rats leaving the sinking ship’ as Goebbels order was transmitted by Werwolfsender that ‘no man capable of bearing arms may leave Berlin’.

As the Fuehrer waited, brown uniformed Nazi officials described by Reymann as cowards received their passes from his headquarters on the Hohenzollerendamm with his memoirs recording that he was ‘happy to sign them, since it was better for the defense of Berlin to be rid of such cowards’.

Many who couldnt get a pass or run away committed suicide – including Goebbels who opted not to fight.

Whilst the ordinary soldier was engaged in waging the final and greatest decisive battle of the Reich, the ‘Armchair warriors’ (in whose ignoble ranks the likes of AnniOakleyus Epiphaneus would be included if in that time and scenario?) had to be kept in line by the threat of the noose or a firing squad.

I still think it spineless that people (irrespective of their rank or importance real or imaginary) who could have aimed and fired a gun at the invading Russian horde, opted instead to commit suicide – the loser’s way out.

I do understand your feelings.  I have read books about how terrible the Russians treated the German people.  They raped many women and girls.  I can see why you think they are cowards who ran so as to not fight the way they asked others to fight.

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Your argument is a moving target. First its how Hitler was a coward. Now youre talking about 2000 other Nazi party members. Well. Hitler wasnt a coward and he had a warlord’s death at his own hand in the Roman manner. Goebbels was a mastermind of the first order and I can only say it makes me cringe how he took his beautiful family with him. I can only understand that in light of the hateful revenge that I have seen Jews try and take on people’s families… and say that Goebbels knew that after all he had done, a sickening fate awaited them if they lived. The Jew Zealots did no less at their vaunted “Masada” eh?

As for you calling me Annie Oakley, that is funny. I take it as a compliment as she was a reknowned shooter. I’m not tenth the sharpshooter she was to be sure but I’m a passable shot at IDPA and IPSC. If you want to insult me to my face you can use your wits to find me and say what you’ve got to say like any other. I’ve got regular hours and if you’ve got the capability and smarts and balls to find me we can see who is a coward face to face.

Otherwise I would point out to you that this is the “civil forum” and your suggestion that “the ‘Armchair warriors’ (in whose ignoble ranks the likes of AnniOakleyus Epiphaneus would be included” if is pretty uncivil.

As for your pops being in the Wehrmacht, him and a few million others. I’ve met more than one and most of them dont like to talk about it is my experience. Are you saying your kin’s view is the only correct view? Are you saying I am a coward because I disagree? Why dont you look up “argument ad hominem” and find out the quality of that socalled “armument”

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So Dasyurus now has nothing else to attack Hitler and Goebbels for than taking their own lives. *S*

On top of that, Dasyurus, your last post indicates that you don’t understand what an “armchair warrior” is. It’s someone who doesn’t have any part in the fighting but who still complains and thinks he could have done it better — like you in this thread. Those who do have a role in the war, whether as soldiers or as officers, cannot be called armchair warriors, and neither can it be used to slander a civilian for not taking part in the fighting; if you want an insult for them you’ll have to come up with another one, but to use “armchair warriors” is erroneous.

The term ‘Armchair Warriors’ was not my term, nor of my invention.
It is a term I had quoted from Historian Anthony Beevor’s detailed analysis of the Fall of Berlin in 1945.

Whether its taken as a term of slander? or as a fitting and accurate description? ; depends on your sensitivity or that of the receptor.

OttoRemer quotes; “..trying to avoid Russian captivity which is ironically the same VICE you accuse Hitler and Goebbels of.”.
I had not “accused” anyone of “trying to avoid captivity” nor explicitly of “VICE” either.

But as you mention the term vice, I state that the reprehensible and terminal “VICE” of suicide, was cowardly. Instead of having the soldiers courage to fight others, the high profile characters in the thread topped themselves, the Wussmeister’s option.

Whilst children were sent by Goebbels and Hitler to fight on the front line, Hitler and Goebbels opted tostay well away, and even kill themselves before the front line came knocking on their front door. They would then have have had to risk the same fortunes of a war that they had condemned millions of others to experience .

Instead of having the balls to trust in the hands of fate and Soldatenluck, they topped themselves.

Your point is very valid in that while children and old people were asked to fight they took their own lives and refused to fight.

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As a Christian I deplore suicide. However, on the part of Hitler and Goering, I think we have exceptional cases. Hitler would have been captured by the Reds and the certain illegal actions against his person would have humiliated the German nation. If anything, his suicide, at the final moment, was a final gift to the folk of Germany.

I spoke my peace on Goering. He revitalized himself from a physically and mentally debilitated state, and rose to defended the actions of the government at the illegal drumhead courtmartial called Nuremberg and right before the end deprived the illegal tribunal its gory trophy. His conduct was an example of National Socialist resilience, pluck, elan and and loyalty.

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I spoke my peace on Goering. He revitalized himself from a physically and mentally debilitated state, and rose to defended the actions of the government at the illegal drumhead courtmartial called Nuremberg and right before the end deprived the illegal tribunal its gory trophy. His conduct was an example of National Socialist resilience, pluck, elan and and loyalty.

Absolutely: he performed well at the Nürnberg trial, with his fantastic memory. In the book about the trial it is clear that he ripped apart the prosecution’s case. It was a farce, a show trial like those the communists held in the Soviet Union, one of the clearest examples of all times of how the Jews exploit and distort our laws and systems.

When the case against Milosevic was prepared in Hague, one of the judges was asked by a journalist at a press conference why the gathering of evidence took longer than before the Nürnberg trial. His reply: “We wanted to do a better job this time.”

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Anyone who talks shit about Hitler isn’t a true WN.

He fought in WWI. And he led in WWII. And he would sooner kill himself then let the jews make a mockery out of germany with their bread and circus executions. He gave his entire life to the white race.

Anyone who would side with the jew character assassins and discreditors of Hitler deserves to be lined up against the wall and shot along with the hooked-nose kikenvermin.

And you White Nationalists talk about how you are non violent?  Give me a break.  If you ever gained real power in this country you would stand all the Liberals, Progressives, and Jewish people, Black people and anyone else who wasn’t White or who held your White Nationalist views up against the wall and shoot us .

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Anyone who talks shit about Hitler isn’t a true WN.

He fought in WWI. And he led in WWII. And he would sooner kill himself then let the jews make a mockery out of germany with their bread and circus executions. He gave his entire life to the white race.

Anyone who would side with the jew character assassins and discreditors of Hitler deserves to be lined up against the wall and shot along with the hooked-nose kikenvermin.

I agree. Let the critics show us how they have surpassed his achievements.

So you too thinks we should be shot by firing squad, for daring to hold different political views than you White Nationalists, and for daring to stand up to you and expose your evil to the rest of America so they can’t be fooled or deceived by you.

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Adolf Eichmann 1944: “I shall leap into my grave laughing, because the feeling I have that the deaths of 5 million people on my conscience will be for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction.”

What do you guys think about this quote? Jewish lie or does it have validity to it?

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Adolf Eichmann 1944: “I shall leap into my grave laughing, because the feeling I have that the deaths of 5 million people on my conscience will be for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction.”

What do you guys think about this quote? Jewish lie or does it have validity to it?

Apparently a Nazi witness at the Nuremberg trials, Captain Dieter Wisliceny, quoted Eichmann as boasting: “I laugh when I jump into the grave because of the feeling that I have killed 5,000,000 Jews. That gives me great satisfaction and gratification.””

After Eichmann’s kidnapping, at his trial in Israel, Eichmann also signed a confession to the effect of killing five million. The problem with this is that no mainstream historian any longer claims such a high figure for Auschwitz or for Eichmann. Instead the figure is generally put at around ONE million murders at Auschwitz. The 3 or 4 million difference is at least half of the alleged six-million total so this is not an insignificant matter. Were Wisliceny and Eichmann tortured to obtain such confessions? Why is there not a single uncontested document to support such extravagant claims?

  • The Nuremberg quote is in any event suspect because Wisliceny was fighting for his life. He was later extradited to Czechoslovakia and hanged.
  • His statement was written in ENGLISH, not his native German.
  • British historian, David Irving, pointed out a major error in his statement that casts further doubt on whether Wisliceny actually wrote the confession himself. See:

White Nationalists don’t believe in the Holocaust so it doesn’t surprise me that they would believe this quote is a fraud.

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