Children and the helpless have been slaughtered. JC
Muslims slaughter hundreds of Christians in Nigeria March 08, 2010
Muslim gangs attacked three villages in central Nigeria and killed up to 400 Christians in pre-dawn attacks on March 7. “The shooting was just meant to bring people from their houses, and then when people came out they started cutting them with machetes,” said one witness. Another added, “We saw mainly those who are helpless, like small children and then the older men, who cannot run, these were the ones that were slaughtered.”
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=5650&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories+%28Catholic+World+News+%28on+CatholicCulture.org%29%29
This article came from one of my Catholic Email groups. This is terrible.
Another sad example of 3rd world barbarism, the world laments the tragic losses but little if nothing will ever be done about this carnage.
I think one of the reasons people keep silent regarding those Muslims who are killing Christians is that they don’t want to upset the Muslim community. Look at what happen a few years ago with the Pope. He made a statement about history and the Muslim communities got angry and made such a stink that he had to say he was sorry.
Your brother is a Muslim, maybe you can tell me why Muslims believe it is ok to kill Christians? We have our own faith and don’t want to convert to the Muslim faith. I know in their Holy Book that they say they have to convert the whole world to their faith and if people refuse to convert they then can kill them.
I can understand being devout in one’s faith. I don’t understand killing someone just because he isn’t Muslim and wants to keep his own faith.
This has little to do with Islam and much to do with black savagery that is enshrined in both their tribalism and their religious belief. An eye for an eye it is quoted, It started with Xtians throwing 50 muslims down a well, nothing was done and so the muslims retaliated. And to think these blacks are in the same country, one wants Sharia law while the other xtian democracy. Reminds me of the jews and Palestine, neither have a shred of credibility to accuse the other. Neither have a noble cause any more!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8560671.stm
Here is a link.
What a tragedy this is. To think that any one would purposely kill innocent children and elderly people who are only guilty of choosing to worship their God. This is a frightening scenario. I have heard it said that Islams goal is world domination. I have also heard that the ruling religion during the 7 year tribulation period will be Islam. This literally made me pause when I remembered in the book of Revelation that it talks about people being “beheaded” if they refuse to worship the Antichrist. With world events being the way they are and the sharp rise in the Muslim population in nations around the world this ideal does not seem that far fetched to me. I know that not all Muslims are violent. I know there are some Muslims like in all other religions that just want to be free to worship the god of their choosing. How terrible to think about a poor child facing a person that’s about to butcher them. I absolutely believe in Hell and that any one that sheds the innocent life of a child will get to see what it looks like up close for an eternity. The shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to God and He did say “Vengeance is mine, I will recompense”.
Chrissy, I hope this is not to out spoken to post. No offense is intended to any one. I know we are commanded not to take another persons offense, but in cases like this it is so very difficult. I must say that harm to innocent children, born or unborn, makes my blood boil. In every case it is unnecessary.
This is another case Garfield of you and me agreeing to disagree. It has everything to do with their Muslim faith. There Holy Book talks about how the world has to convert to Muslim and if they refuse than they are to be killed.
Have Christians used violence regarding Muslims, yes, they were defending Europe from being conqured by the Muslims. If the Christians hadn’t fought and won, Europe would have been Muslim. Christians have a right to defend themselves.
Why is it that White Nationalists always take the Muslim side against their own kind? White Nationalists make excuses for Muslims who want to kill White Christians to justify their actions. White Nationalists would rather take the side of Muslims who seek to destroy the West because of your common hatered toward the Jews. They might be friendly to you now, but they are only using you and when they are finished they will turn on you because you are not one of them, unless you too convert to the Muslim faith.
I know you dream of the day when the Jews are no longer living on this planet and then you think you will fight the Muslims and win. Even though they have more people in their ranks vs the small amount of people in White Nationalism you truly believe that you will win the fight against Muslims.
Unlike White Nationalists I think that Christianity is a good thing and am happy that Christians won and were able to keep Muslims from controling all of Europe.
You don’t like Christianity and that is your choice Garfield. You have chosen the path of not believing in God period. You are the one who has to live with the choices you make. I have chosen my path of being a Catholic Christian. I must be willing to live with my choice as well.
We are never going to agree on this topic. In your eyes the Muslims are the poor innocent victims of the White Christian who is fighting to survive in a world that is more and more anti Christian.
Katie,
It is not to outspoken to post.
You are right in their Holy Book it talks about how they as Muslims are to convert the whole world to their faith and if we refuse they are commanded to kill us. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am not going to change my faith to Muslim. I am Catholic Christian and I intend to stay Catholic.
I really haven’t read the book of Revelations very much. It is one of those books that I find hard to understand. If the Catholic church offered a Bible Study on the book of Revelations I would be interested in going and learning more about what the book is saying. I tend to focus more on the gospels and other readings. I haven’t had the chance to talk to a Catholic priest about what the symbols and everything that is in the book of Revelations mean. I believe John was asleep and the Book of Revelations was a dream he had. Yet, I know the book contains a message that is important to us as Christians because it is included in the Bible.
I don’t know who the anti Christ is. I do know that I feel like the world is becoming more and more anti Christian. I know in some of my Catholic email groups they talk about how on youtube that some people post anti Catholic clips and it upsets them to see our faith mocked. It seems to be popular to bash Christians. There is also an anti Jewish mindset as well in the world. I do see a day when Jews and Christians will be hated.
Katie, I don’t focus so much on Revelations, but on trying to be a good Catholic who follows the teachings of Jesus. I want people when they see me to see the love of Christ flowing inside of me. I want to overcome my faults such as over-eating, loosing my temper, to much pride sometimes. I want to develop the fruits of the spirit like love, temperance, humilty, and patience.
I do know that Jesus is going to return someday. Yet, as to the day and hour I do not know. It is in God’s hands. The important thing is that I focus on being open to what the Lord wants to do with me.
I read about the saints who went before us and I am encouraged and inspired by how they chose death rather than to renounce their faith. Would I have the courage that they had? I would like to think so, but I also know that my flesh is weak. I would like to think that Jesus would give me the courage and strength to take what is dished out to me.
Katie, God bless you and you have a wonderful day.
Chrisy
This topic is relating to blacks killing each other, it has nothing to do with muslims killing whites. Jews are not white by the way. In this instance I have no concern for either party. Its tragic that children are killed but this only reinforces my opinion that they are savages.
I am not anti christian nor pro muslim, please don’t make that assumption based on this article.
Have you seen the news that the jews intend to biuld a new nuclear reactor in Isreal? Hmmmmm strange that the US is not protesting as they did in the Iran saga, once again we see the double standards applied to thos ewho will not bend to the ZOG infested government of the US. The jews can have nukes but not the Iranians? You know my views regarding this issue.
To you the topic is Blacks killing other Blacks. To me and Katie it is Muslims killing Christians. For us it has nothing to do with race but with religion.
Garfield, we will never agree on the issue of Iran developing Nuclear weapons because you as a White Nationalist want Iran to develop the nukes to give to Hamas to use against Israel and the United States. You are anti American and that is a fact. Your American White Nationalists friends hate their own country and are dreaming of the day the United States will be destroyed along with Israel. The hate just spews out from White Nationalists and can’t be denied.
Indeed they hate their government, but I have never questioned their unwavering patriotism to the soil they call America.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.” — Thomas Jefferson
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson
“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” Winston Churchill
I adamantly agree Chrisy. Race does not have any thing to do with this particular discussion. It is definitely a matter of radical Islam vs Christianity. I see Christians in all races. I see Jews in all races. I see Muslims in all races. This is really a power struggle in the spiritual realm. For some strange reason evil thinks somehow it is going to triumph over good. It never will. The dictator in Iran thinks he is going to push Israel into the sea. NEVER>>>NEVER>>>NEVER>>>Israel will never be wiped off the face of the earth any more than Christians will. We after all are the apple of Gods eye. He loves us and he is our shield and our refuge. I also know that the only reason Israel wants nuclear weapons is for its own defense. Israel will never attack without just cause, but neither will they stand by and just let Iran blow them away. I believe they know better than some people, that you can not negotiate with some one like Ahmadinajad (sp) He is not honorable and the truth is not in him. As a christian I do try to walk in love for my fellow man but I also think we as christian’s are responsible for letting our voices be heard when we hear something that is not correct. I just know that I am thankful every day that I belong to Jesus. That’s the most important thing in our walk with the Lord…That we agree on Jesus. He is who he said he is. He died for us so that we could be reconciled to God. Thank you Jesus. I smile every time I think of you…
Thank you Chrisy for the wisdom that you so freely share. God bless and keep you…Katie
/Garfield says: “Indeed they hate their government, but I have never questioned their unwavering patriotism to the soil they call America.”
How can they be loyal Americans when they side with the enemy who wants to destroy us. They do not care that those nukes that Iran is developing will kill their fellow Americans. Who died in 9/11? It wasn’t the government who died but innocent Americans. No, any American who supports radical muslims in developing nukes is a traitor to the United States.
Your hate for the Jews is so strong that it blinds you and the American White Nationalists to the truth. It is never patriotic to cheer and support the enemy of one’s nation who is seeking to destroy you.
Yes you quote from the Founding Fathers. If the Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or John Adams were alive today they would condemn your American White Nationalists and consider them traitors to the United States and would seek to warn people about their acts and fight them with all they had inside of them to make sure that White Nationalists of American do not win. I feel with all my heart that my ancestors who with their blood, sweat and tears fought in the American Revolution would never support traitors who would support radical muslims in their destruction of Israel and the United States(their own country).
I am not going to change your mind because you can’t see or understand how loyal Americans who love this country feel toward any American who would side with Iran in getting nuclear weapons to give to radical Muslims to use against Israel and the United States. You are never going to change my mind because I believe it is my patriotic duty as an American to fight all enemies of the United States (including both foreign and domestic). I meant the oath I took as a Daughter of the American Revolution to fight for the United States. It is a moral imperative to me to fight you White Nationalists in America from ever achieving your goal of overthrowing our government and turning America into a White Nationalist country. I am a passionate woman and I am very passionate about this. So I will continue to fight David Duke and all the other American White Nationalist traitors who support the President of Iran and have more loyality to him and the radical Muslims who seek to destroy us and kill innocent Americans with their Holy War. I will continue to be like Paul Revere and shout out the warning with the hopes that the American people will wake up and stop taking White Nationalist leaders for granted. David Duke is not a joke. He is not stupid man. He is smart, shrewd, and will do anything if it will help him achieve his goal. He still dreams of being President someday.
To you White Nationalists everything is about race. This topic and the article is not about race but religion. We have Catholics all over the world and we are all one church. I don’t look at race when I go to mass I only know that the person sitting next to me is my Catholic brother/sister. When I shake their hand as we do in the mass I am not looking at the race, but am just embracing my fellow Catholic. Jews also come in many different races. Muslims come in all different races. Baptists come in all different races. The people who were killed were not killed because they are Black, but because they are Christian. I agree with Katie on this one Garfield. So far you are out voted 2 to 1 regarding that this article is based on religion and not race.
Katie,
Thank you for your comment. I do hope that you will post on this blog alot. You have so much wisdom to share with the rest of us. I agree with you that this is about religion and not race.
Katie said: ”
I also know that the only reason Israel wants nuclear weapons is for its own defense. Israel will never attack without just cause, but neither will they stand by and just let Iran blow them away. ”
I agree with this statement. Israel has nuclear weapons for its own self defense. They would be stupid not to take the threats seriously from the radical Muslims who seek to destroy them off the face of the earth. Just like America would be stupid not to take seriously American White Nationalists who talk to the President of Iran about America.
Like Paul Revere I feel it is my duty as a loyal American to sound the warning and hopefully wake people up to the danger so that they will join the fight against David Duke and his White Nationalist buddies who also are more loyal to the President of Iran and his radical Muslim friends than to the American people who are killed. One can’t have it both ways. Either one is a loyal American or one is a traitor. One can’t be a loyal American and want to see the destruction of their own nation with the hopes of building their White Nationalist homeland out of the ashes. These American White Nationalists are dangerous and are a threat to this nation and to the American people.
Is Israel perfect? No, they have made mistakes like the United States has made mistakes over the years. I think that they do what they do because of fear that the radical muslims will continue their sucide attacks and are seeking to develop nuclear weapons to use against them and the United States. Fear is a very powerful emotion.
I do believe that God is watching over us. He will protect Israel and the United States if we do the right thing as a nation. We are a great nation when we are a moral nation. The same applies to Israel. When we do things as a nation that are evil like tortue than God will allow us to know pain and suffering so that we will repent of the evil and start acting with honor again. Both the United States and Israel because of fear of the radical muslims who have declared a Holy War on us, have violated the human rights of the people living in Gaza and the West Bank. I like to be a person who believes that we can change things for the good and that God can work everything out for our good if we believe in him, trust in him, and love him.
You have a great day Katie. I go for another MRI on my neck today. I am hoping that they will see what is wrong and why I am in so much pain. Please keep me in your prayers that God will show through the MRI what is wrong with my neck.
God Bless you.
Love
Chrisy
I don’t recall saying this was a race war, I merely stated that it is to be expected from blacks to be savages. It is plain to see that this is a religious battle, the tenets of both these religions have their own brand of intolerance.
“To know a person’s religion we need not listen to his profession of faith but must find his brand of intolerance.” — Eric Hoffer
How true a statement is that? Each makes the assumption that they are correct in their actions while ignoring the other. This is both scripturally and morally encouraged by religion.
Katie without trying to sound too terse I would suggest you go to wiki and check out the history of the state of israel from its formation in 1947, you might be surprised to learn that they too used terrorism to drive out the British. The illegal occupation of land and the denying of human rights has little to do with the god you profess to serve but more rather about the aims and objectives of the Zionist state. If you doubt my words go read it for yourself, I’ll give some links if you can’t find any and they will be credible links, no WN sites.
Chrisy, there is one one jewish race, as a formed WN I would have thought you knew that, there are no black jews, Indian jews, Mexican jews or any other race that can claim to be jewish. Jews hate race mixing more the WN and a mixed race person is not considered a jew.
Your statement that israel needs nukes to protect itself, merely demonstrates your bias toward them. Iran can’t have it but they can?
In fact israel is building a new nuclear power station, I would have thought you would at least object from a green opinion but no you are silent. Your approval thereto is a necessary sacrifice to the environment?
Perhaps you should consider why muslims hate US, you support an illegal state. If you withdrew do you think they would still hate you?
It is a well known fact of history that the US prefers to fight it battles on foreign soils, you are using israel as a buffer against yourselves, why do you think the radicals attacked your home soil? It was to give you a taste of how other nations have suffered at the hands of US aggression. Iraq, South Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somalia and so forth.
Its rather strange that Iran is your enemy and you are sworn to defend the US. Again US assumes to be the saviour of the world, you are sworn to protect the jews at you could admit that, and of course we can’t ignore that the US is protecting its oil reserves and old boy money. At the end of the day its always about the money.
By the way since when is Iran the enemy of the US? Could you provide some links or government issued statement or is it that they are the sworn enemy of the jew and hence your defence of them?
Garfield said:” This topic is relating to blacks killing each other, it has nothing to do with muslims killing whites.”
You said right out that the topic to you is Blacks killing Blacks and has nothing to do with religion. The topic is about Muslims who kill Christians just because they are Christian.
I do not support the use of Nuclear power anywhere in the world. There are better ways to get energy besides nuclear. I am not a citizen of Israel and I can’t vote in their elections. I am an American and can effect what my country does by voting for Green candidates. If I did live in Israel I would join other Greens and make my voice heard regarding the use of nuclear power. In the States I have my own battle to fight because we have a President who favors nuclear power and wants to build more plants. I have enough battles to fight in America that I don’t have the time to fight the nuclear power in Israel.
Garfield there are Black Jews. I have seen them. Being Jewish is a religion not a race. I know White Nationalists believe that Jews are their own race and are not WHITE. Most White Nationalists look at them as their own race that is not even human. Many White Nationalists think Hitler was right in the final solution. To many White Nationalists Hitler was their hero and I knew people who on Hitler’s Birthday hung the nazi flag outside their house. What White Nationalist preach about Jews is a LIE!!!!!!!!! White Nationalists believe the LIES as TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are Black Jews from Africa. Many of them have moved to Israel and they were welcomed with open arms. Israel welcomes Jews of all races and nations. There are White Russian Jews who have also moved to Israel from Russia and Eastern Europe. There are blonde blue eyed jews and their are Black Jews from Africa. I would even say that there are Asian Jews from the Far East. They all practice the Jewish faith which makes them Jews.
Garfield you are also wrong about half Jews not being accepted as a Jew. The line goes through the mother. If a Jewish woman marries a non Jew the child is still considered Jewish.
Like Christians who have different churches within Christianity the Jews have different degrees of the Jewish Faith. There is reform which I believe is more Liberal than the Conservative or even the Orthodox. I believe there is also an ultra Orthodox.
I know when I lived in Folsom, CA there was a messanic Jewish temple that I attended. They were Jewish but had come to believe in Jesus as the son of God. They welcome Jews and Christians alike to worship with them. I found it very interesting and it was the month that I attended a few of their services and going to the Feast of tents they have in Oct that I learned that Jeff and his CI/White Nationalist views were WRONG and were a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would I go and check them out? Because Father Enzie taught me in my youth that you must never judge people from the outside but go inside so that you can base your judgments on what you know and see firsthand. Never judge someone based on rumors and hearsay but take the time to get to know them and make up your mind from first hand knowledge that you do the research yourself.
My father had friends that were Jews and they worked together. They were very nice people. One of my dad’s friends was a couple who had survived the Concentration camps. I remember seeing the numbers tatooed to their arm. They were very nice. I remember we went to their son’s celebration of when the boys reach 13. The Jews have a lot of music and celebration in their worship. For awhile I had forgotten the truth I knew as a child and allowed myself to parrot what I was told to believe. I am not proud of allowing myself to be brainwashed Garfield, but it goes to show that all of us regardless of how we were raised as children can be decieved into following the Pipe Pipper who leads us to our destruction. White Nationalism is a cult just like all the other cults out there. I was lucky I was able to wake myself up when I realized that White Nationalists were not Patriotic Americans as they like to paint themselves out to me. That the reality was that they were traitors to the United States and that the decision I must make would determined if I truly was a loyal American who loves my country or if I was going to pick personal feelings of friendship. I chose my country over friendship.
Like Paul Revere who warned that the British were coming, I am warning Americans that American White Nationalists are traitors to our beloved nation. They have more support for radical Muslims than their own country and fellow Americans. They want their own government to fall. They don’t care that their fellow Americans are going to suffer or that more innocent people die at the hands of their radical Muslim friends in another terriorist attack on this country. Yes, I am crying out to the people to wake up and that we must fight all enemies foreign and domestic who seek to destroy the United States of America. People need to start fighting to save this country from all who by their actions and vision seek to destroy this nation. White Nationalism is NOT A JOKE!!!! David Duke and Don Black are not stupid!!!!!!!!! They are smart and they are passionate about their vision and are working inch by inch to achieve their goal of a White Homeland.
Here is a link to the innerfaith family:
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/?gclid=CJiv_4iNtqACFRkcawodsCFQUA
It talks about Jewish people who have married outside the faith and has a lot of good information. They are still Jewish even though they married outside the faith.
Oh, Garfield, I do not approve any of your links that link to Stromfront. As Stormfront is free to not approve certain links to other sites that they don’t want to link too, I am also free to not link to White Nationalist sites. If you are going to have a temper tantrum because I refuse to link to SF and other White Nationalist sites than I will deal with it.
Wiki is not a reliable source because anyone can go in and change things and there is a lot of misinformation that is passed as truth but isn’t true. They even had an entry about me there that wasn’t true so I deleted it. Katie, if you go to Wiki know beforehand that it is not a site that is taken seriously as a source. The only people I have met who take Wiki as the truth are White Nationalists. Do not let White Nationalists confuse you. You have a strong Christian faith. You know what is means to be a Christian and you know the truth. White Nationalists are good at confusing people and using half truths filled with Lies to get people to think that they are right when in fact they are WRONG.
Iran has come out publically and called America the Great Satan. They seek to destroy both Israel and the United States. Israel has a right to exist because the land was theirs. The Jews have a claim to that land. Until the Muslims agree that the Jews have a right to be there then there can be no lasting peace. So far your radical Muslim friends will not agree to Israel’s right to exist there.
I have spoken out that I disagree with some of Israel’s actions. Just because I understand the reason why they act the way they do doesn’t mean I condone their behavior. Again you are twisting my words. Fear is a very powerful emotion and Israel is afraid and they have a right to be afraid. They know that radical muslims want to destroy them from the face of the earth. Christians who are being murdered for their faith is also WRONG!!!!!
There could be a day when your radical Muslim friends gain the power to kill Jews and Christians because we refuse to deny our faith and convert to theirs. Their Holy book is very clear that if people refuse to convert than they are to be killed. To them it is a HOLY WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!They are using you White Nationalists. If they are sucide bombers they get a golden key to heaven. The children are taught at an early age that if they want to be heroes that they will give their lives in this Holy War against Israel and the WEST (America and Europe).
Not all Muslims are this extreem but the ones that you White Nationalists are dealing with are this extreem and consider the United States the great Satan who along with Israel must be destroyed.
You say the enemy and my enemy is my friend. Maybe that applies for us too. Radical Muslims want to destroy both Israel and the United States and so we have to join together for our survival. If you White Nationalists can justify your joining forces with Radical Muslims against the Jews and the United States than we the people who don’t want the United States to be destroyed should be able to join with Israel to fight as their is strength in numbers.
To you and your White Nationalists Israel and the United States are EVIL and because the radical Muslims also think the United States and Israel are evil and are fighting us, you join with them because you know there is strength in numbers. You overlook the evil that they do in order to see your goal achieved. If it is wrong for us Americans to join in the fight on the side of Israel because we both are the target of your Radical Muslim friends than it is just as wrong for you to join and fight along the side of the radical muslims for the destruction of Israel and the United States.
Garfield, we are on two opposite sides. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine.
Garfield, Katie is right to say that God’s hand is protecting the Jewish people as he is protecting Christians who believe in him. Some of us might be killed by Muslims because we refuse to convert to their faith. Yes, our lives might be taken but our souls will still be with God. Instead of fearing what man can do to us, we know that whatever happens to us that God is loves us and we will know the joy of being with him in heaven. You don’t believe in God so you do not understand people who do believe in God. I read in this book that Muslims have more respect for Jews and Christians than they do those who believe in no God because we at least have a God we worship. The way I understood it was that Muslims believe they are the one truth faith. That at one time the Jews were his people but they failed so than he moved on to the Christian faith and that we failed so that God has chosen the Muslim faith as the one true faith. There goal is to convert the whole world to the Muslim faith. Are you Garfield when the time comes convert to the Muslim faith or will you be strong in your belief that you don’t believe in God and be murdered along with the Jews and Christians?
Garfield said:” This topic is relating to blacks killing each other, it has nothing to do with muslims killing whites.”
“You said right out that the topic to you is Blacks killing Blacks and has nothing to do with religion. The topic is about Muslims who kill Christians just because they are Christian.”
Perhaps you missed the last word of my quote, whites.
Actually is christians that killed muslims to start with and then the muslims retaliated.
‘Garfield there are Black Jews. I have seen them. Being Jewish is a religion not a race.’
Black jews, lol. show me some proof. The etheopian ‘jews’ are not jewish
“Oh, Garfield, I do not approve any of your links that link to Stromfront. As Stormfront is free to not approve certain links to other sites that they don’t want to link too, I am also free to not link to White Nationalist sites. If you are going to have a temper tantrum because I refuse to link to SF and other White Nationalist sites than I will deal with it.”
Chrisy you are free to cut and paste as you see fit and equally whether I post here or not. Get over yourself and my tantrums, if you don’t want me here have the courtesy to say so and refrain from the innuendo thereof.
“Garfield, Katie is right to say that God’s hand is protecting the Jewish people as he is protecting Christians who believe in him.”
That of course assuming the bible is more than a history book which cannot be proven, but the whole ‘god is protecting us’ is of no real interest to me. If he were then perhaps you could tell me why 9/11 happened, Mc Veigh boomed the FBI, Hurricane Katrina and many more.
“I read in this book that Muslims have more respect for Jews and Christians than they do those who believe in no God because we at least have a God we worship”
I think that is one of the most arrogant and self righteous conclusions the book has to offer, where a man is better than another purely because he believes in a god? How narrow minded the author must be.
“Are you Garfield when the time comes convert to the Muslim faith or will you be strong in your belief that you don’t believe in God and be murdered along with the Jews and Christians?”
I will never bend my knee to a jew god or a pseudo jew arab allah, there is only one ‘god’ that I know and acknowledge and that is the white race.
In the final analysis, a race or specie is not judged superior or inferior by its accomplishments, but by
its will and ability to survive. David Lane
“We do urge hatred. If you love something, you must be willing to hate that which threatens it.” Matt Hale.
There is only one way I know how to live and that hardcore with no compromise.
Garfield…Thank you for your suggestion, but the only book I use for reference is the Holy Bible. Jesus said “I am the way, I am the truth and I am the Life, no one comes to the Father, but through me.” I believe what the Bible says from front to back. I believe because I choose to believe. Every person ever born, has been born with a free will, to believe what ever and in whom ever they choose. At this very time in this age there are hundreds of thousands of Muslims converting to Christianity because they choose to. Christianity is the largest, fastest growing religion on earth because of the days in which we live.
The Bible clearly says that no one knows the day or the hour that the Lord will return…But we are commanded to know the signs of his coming. All signs point to his soon return. As a Christian the most important thing I can do is be a witness for Christ, to win souls, if you will, because our dear Heavenly Father wishes that none should perish but that all would be saved. He has done his part in that He gave his precious son Jesus as a final and perfect sacrifice. We have to do the rest.
I guess I don’t actually have a point other than this. The “Almighty God” is Pro-Israel, He is Pro-Christian, He is Pro-Life.He is not a respecter of persons. He doesn’t love me or Chrisy any more than he loves you or anyone else.We are all under Grace at this time.
All the things that we see happening right now will continue and will increase. I myself believe that all of the prophesies necessary for the return of Christ have been fulfilled, so the only thing left is salvation of souls.
Garfield, I must be obedient and say this. Please listen to the voice of the One who is beckoning to you. The soft, still voice. We are not promised tomorrow, but only today. I hope you will receive this in the spirit that it is sent. I mean you no ill will. I pray that the eyes of your understanding be opened, that you should believe the truth and not a lie…………………………………Katie
Chrisy,
Please know that you are in my prayers. The Bible says that “Jesus is the same, Yesterday, today and fore ever.” So I know that he still heals today,just as he did in days past. I know that he has many avenues of healing, which ever one you can receive thru. Modern medicine is a true marvel. My eldest sister just went thru a quadruple bypass. The doctors had to take her heart out of her body and place it on a small tray and there it was hooked to to a “heart and lung” machine. They were able to harvest blood vessels from her right lower leg and replace the faulty ones leading to her heart. They then placed her heart back in its place, attached the new vessels and WALA!!! her heart is pumping away.
Only a loving, all powerful, all knowing God could cause man to have the knowledge and understanding to do such an amazing thing. What a mighty God we serve!!!! I feel sure the Lord can and will show the doctors what is causing your pain. You are a bright light shinning in a dark place and I pray the Lord will reveal himself to you in amazing ways. Know that you are loved and one day I know you will stand before the Lord and hear these words…”Well done, thou good and faithful servant.” God bless you and keep you…..your sis in Christ…Kay
Katie, Thank you for your prayers. I am so happy that your sister is doing good. It is amazing what medicine can do these days. I too believe that Jesus does heal and work in people’s lives. I hope you will be active in posting your thoughts here.
Best Wishes
Love
Chrisy
Garfield, every time I do something that you don’t like you have a temper tantrum. That is a fact. If I didn’t want you to post here I would say leave. The very fact that I haven’t done that means that I am happy to have a White Nationalist post his thoughts here. I don’t cut and paste your posts. I do take the links out that you post that I think are to White Nationalist sites and wiki that is not a reliable source. Anyone can post and change thing on wiki and there is more misinformation on that site.
There are Black Jews as I saw a program about it years ago about how Black African Jews were coming to live in Israel. Being Jewish is a religious faith that people follow. People of all races and nation have converted to the Jewish faith. It is not a race.
I know your God is the WHITE RACE. Like many White Nationalists before you and will come after you, you guys will continue to worship the White Race as your God. White Nationalists do not worship the same God that Katie and I worship. The Christian Identity White Nationalists believe in a God who only saves WHITES. The God they worship is a God of harsh judgment and hate. The Pagan White Nationalists believe in the Nordic Gods and claim that only White people can worship those gods. That Astru is the White people’s religion. Then you have White Nationalists like you who do not pretend to believe in God period. Your God is your race.
The Bible is more than just a history book. To you who has no faith the Bible is a stumbling block. Jesus said that those who refused to believe in Him would stumble and fall. You lack faith so that is why you don’t read the Bible with an open heart that the Bible is God’s word to us.
You asked why God allowed bad things to happen. Alot of times they happen because it is his way to teach us things we need to know. Sometimes they happen because we have strayed away from Him and he wants to bring us back to him. Sometimes they happen because of our own stupid behavior.
Climate Change is making hurricanes stronger because the oceans are warmer. Katrina was a storm of the century. When you have buidlings that are in a place that is vulerable than you are going to have a lot of damage and lots of deaths. Is it God’s fault that New Oreleans is built on land that is so vulerable? No, it is man’s fault that he builds where he shouldn’t. With Climate change LA is facing more and more loss of land to the ocean. Alot of places are going to suffer loss of land as the oceans rise. Florida will be another place where parts of it will be claimed by the ocean.
Katie says:
“Garfield…Thank you for your suggestion, but the only book I use for reference is the Holy Bible. Jesus said “I am the way, I am the truth and I am the Life, no one comes to the Father, but through me.” I believe what the Bible says from front to back. I believe because I choose to believe. Every person ever born, has been born with a free will, to believe what ever and in whom ever they choose. At this very time in this age there are hundreds of thousands of Muslims converting to Christianity because they choose to. Christianity is the largest, fastest growing religion on earth because of the days in which we live.”
Katie, your quotation of the way would conclude that jews cannot enter heaven as they do not recognise the divinity of jesus, so god protects them even though they reject him, that cannot be? Ah free will is strange we have a free will to believe yet we are burdened with the sin of Adam, yet the bible clearly state the sins of the father should not be passed onto the son?
Islam is the largest growing parasitic infestation in the world today, no devout muslim will convert to xtainity to do so is to face social disgrace, especially in eastern countries.
“I guess I don’t actually have a point other than this. The “Almighty God” is Pro-Israel, He is Pro-Christian, He is Pro-Life.He is not a respecter of persons. He doesn’t love me or Chrisy any more than he loves you or anyone else.We are all under Grace at this time.”
So your god condones the murder of others and the maintenance of the zionist regime by any means? Obviously he is pro xtian what else is left for him. Indeed he is not a respecter of persons hoe else could such human sacrifice be justified every Sunday at churches around the world. I am not trying to be terse but such words truly open my eyes to the the whole faith and grace movement.
“All the things that we see happening right now will continue and will increase. I myself believe that all of the prophesies necessary for the return of Christ have been fulfilled, so the only thing left is salvation of souls”
Actually that is not quite correct, as long as the muslims still occupy the temple mount, and the Mosque Al Aqsa is there occupied by arabs, the temple of Solomon cannot be rebuilt.
Katie, I accept your sincere wishes, and I too mean nothing other than what I post here. For many years I was a church goer, however I have made a conscious decision to reject that path. They say Katie that one man’s truth is another man’s lie and somewhere in between lays the reality of it all.
You asked why God allowed bad things to happen. Alot of times they happen because it is his way to teach us things we need to know. Sometimes they happen because we have strayed away from Him and he wants to bring us back to him. Sometimes they happen because of our own stupid behavior.
Climate Change is making hurricanes stronger because the oceans are warmer. Katrina was a storm of the century. When you have buidlings that are in a place that is vulerable than you are going to have a lot of damage and lots of deaths. Is it God’s fault that New Oreleans is built on land that is so vulerable? No, it is man’s fault that he builds where he shouldn’t. With Climate change LA is facing more and more loss of land to the ocean. Alot of places are going to suffer loss of land as the oceans rise. Florida will be another place where parts of it will be claimed by the ocean.
I will use your good book and paraphrase my thoughts. Nothing in this world happens without god knowing about it before time began, god hardened Pharaohs heart because he knew he would not change. He was denied salvation. Man had little to do with that story. You must concede that if your god is omnipotent and that history and future events are mapped out by him, then he bares responsibility for whatever happens on this planet. To ascribe blame to humans is to deny his supreme divinity. In other words man is changing god’s plan for this planet? Surely not. If this planet is dying then I could agrue that the intelligent design thereof is flawed and that god never created it to start with. But thats a debate for another day.
I can now finish my comment.
“This Sunday’s Gospel passage underscores this theme as Jesus makes it very clear that our decisions and actions do have consequences. Our God is a God of mercy, and he forgives any repentant sinner; however, this forgiveness does not take away from the fact that deliberate rejection of the truth does have a personal cost.”
I know that you Garfield do not belive in God or orginal sin. Yet, the Bible and the Church that is the truth speaks of how our decisions we make in life have consequences. When we turn away from God we are no longer walking in the fellowship with the Lord. When we repent and accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior he saves us. Just because he loves us and save us doesn’t mean he will take the consequences away, but Jesus will give us the strength to bear them.
I know you don’t understand Garfield, because you don’t have faith and you don’t believe in God.
9/11 happen because evil men wanted to attack the United States. They were radical Muslims like the ones that White Nationalists support and hope they develop nukes to use against Israel and the United States. They have declared a Holy War against us. Their God is a God of hate and murder. I believe that they will be defeated in the end. When you live by the sword you die by the sword.
You will never understand because you and your White Nationalist friends HATE and want to see Israel and the United States be destroyed. Your hate is stronger than your love. Hate destroys and love builds up.
Jews are not a race but a religion. We Catholics are not one race but a religion and a church that includes many people of all different races. We have Black Catholics, Mexican Catholics, Irish Catholics, etc. We are all different races but are still Catholic brothers and sisters. The Jewish faith is like that as well. They don’t encourage their people to marry outside their faith like many of the religions. Catholics are encouraged to marry other Catholics who share the same faith. When it talks about marrying your own kind I think the Bible is saying to marry someone who shares your same religion.
Garfield, you White Nationalists only see Jews as a seperate race that is out to destroy the White race. Do you really think in your mind that Jews, Progressives, Catholics, Mexicans, etc are out to destroy the White Race from the face of the earth? Do you really think that the Jews have as much hate in their hearts for non Jews as you White Nationalists and your radical muslim friends have for Jews and Americans?
You will never know real joy and peace until you come to see White Nationalism for what it really is. No one can make you see the truth; that is something you have to find for yourself and truly believe in your heart that God is real.
I hope someday you will come to embrace and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Garfield,
There are many many Jews that accept and acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, just as there are many many people from all walks of life and from all religions that are choosing Jesus as their Savior, even Muslims.
These facts are well documented and easily accessed on the net. Truly, one day, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to God, even you, Garfield. god created man and allowed his will to remain free because God wanted a people that would choose him, thru thick and thin. Make no mistake…Pharaoh cooked his own goose. He chose to worship a pagan god and chose not to worship Jehovah God. God created a perfect world for man to live in and then man screwed it up. It’s true that Eve was “deceived” by the serpent Satan, but Adam chose to be disobedient after he had spoken with Eve. God told Adam to “keep” the garden. Just as God will keep us from harm, Adam was suppose to keep himself, Eve and the garden of Eden from harm. God knew that Satan was creeping around on the earth, because that’s where he fell to when he got himself kicked out of Heaven. What you don’t seem to understand is that God gave Adam authority over Satan and Adam threw that authority away. You want to blame God for all the bad things that are happening but you are blaming the wrong god. Satan is the god of this world. These are his stomping grounds, but because of what Jesus did on the cross, we have once again been given authority over “all the works of the enemy” (Satan) If someone gives you something you must reach out and accept it before it is yours.
You have said that Islam is the fastest growing parasitic infestation in the world today. That doesn’t sound very complementary considering you are pro Muslim. Islam, the religion of Muslims, is growing fast, and that should give you a heads up about the days in which we live. Islam will never defeat Christianity, because Satan can never defeat Jesus. Only when Christians are removed from this earth, by way of the rapture (whoohoo) will Islam take over, because that is truly when ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE, LITERALLY!! The main difference is that God will always be God. He will always be in control. Satan on the other hand will loose his position as God of this world and be cast into the lake of fire.
I agree partially with you on global warming. I think its a hoot. I think its just another way for Washington to squeeze some more of our money. You know, when I hear someone like Al Gore telling all his lies about global warming I wonder who he would have blamed for the Ice Age…Neanderthal man? I think its a big mistake to build your house where a huge wall of water can wipe it out. but I don’t think that the weather is doing what its doing coincidentally. Once again the Bible speaks about the waves roaring and the increase in earthquakes. I am sure you are familiar with the scripture…There will be wars and rumors of wars….Divers things in divers places. That’s what all this weather is about. The Bible clearly says not to be afraid (speaking to those who belong to Jesus) when these things begin to happen . These things must happen before that great and dreadful day of the Lord…But he tell us…Look up! for your redemption draws near.
As far as the rebuilding of the temple. Many believe, according to the location of the Eastern Gate, the Dome of the Rock was built on what the Bible refers to as the “Court of the Gentiles”. According to Revelation 11:1-2 the rebuilding of the 3rd. temple was not to include this area. Therefore it is possible the 3rd. temple and the dome of the rock could stand side by side.
I know that there are some Jews that have been guilty of doing bad things, but all in all I think Israel would be content to live on the land that GOD gave them (ALL the land of Israel) peaceably if people would quit trying to destroy them. To me it is not murder to kill someone in self defense. If someone came into my home uninvited, I would absolutely kill them. I have a God given right to defend myself and my property.This is not murder. God gave the Jewish people that land of Israel. He did not give it to Mohamed, he did not give it to Allah, he did not give it to the Arabs, he did not give it to those who call themselves Palestinians. He gave it to the Israelite’s and he didn’t tell them they had to share the land or God forbid, that they had to divide it with anyone.
My last point is this…Garfield, if you ever at any time in the past accepted Jesus as your savior, if you ever said…Jesus come into my heart, and be my Savior, than you belong to him. The Bible says the gifts of God are without recompense, they can not be taken away. Salvation is a gift of God. That doesn’t mean that you can’t walk away from God,and, there is a sin that can not be forgiven which is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost ( I believe this would be the one reason that a persons name can be removed from the Book of Life) Otherwise, you belong to him and he will use any means he deems necessary to bring you back to him. Believe me Garfield, there are things that can happen that will cause anyone to call out to God. I continue to maintain my prayer that the eyes of your understanding will be opened and that you will of your own free will return to the flock. I do agree with Chrisy how ever that there are always consequences for our actions when they are outside of the will of God for our life. What I have learned is that I must strive daily to keep my thoughts lined up with the Word of God. I must feed my spirit with the Word just as I feed my body with food. I must daily take an account of my actions and repent and ask for forgiveness. 1 Corinthians 11 speaks about the taking of communion and that if we will judge our self then we will not have to be judged. I think daily communion is a good thing. It makes us pay attention to what we are doing and check our selves to make sure we are walking in His will. More than anything, when I stand before God to give an accounting for my life I want to hear Him say “Well done, thou good and faithful servant,” Remember Garfield, Jesus loves you and is touched by the feeling of your infirmity….Katie
Katie,
Thank you for your wonderfull comment to Garfield. I hope he will read it with an open heart and will think about how he wants to respond to you. Ever since I was in Convent School in California I love to discuss theology so therefore I find this discussion very interesting and also one of learning.
You explain your faith with your heart and soul and I think Jesus will bless you in your walk with him. We are both Christians. I might be a Catholic Christian and you might be a Protestant Christian but we believe the foundation of Christian prinicples that are the same. The virigin Birth, Jesus paying the price for our sins by his dying on the cross, etc. What we differ on is manmade things and I believe that it makes him unhappy when Christians fight each other. I believe we as Christians need to find a way to love each other better and forgive each other better. I am hopeful when I see Catholics and Protestants working side by side on the Pro life issue. I think that makes God happy when he sees his people working side by side together than fighting each other on man made traditions.
Katie, I believe as a Catholic that God wants us (his church) to be good caregivers and stewards of all his creation. That includes the air, water, land, oceans, rivers, animals, plants, human beings. I believe that mountaintop removal mining that destroys whole mountains is a sin against God and his wonderful creation. I believe that God is sad when he sees the pollution that man has caused. I read Al Gore book and it brought me to the place that I was able to find and trust God again. Long Story but for many years I was angry at God and certain people who I thought were true friends. I ended up being hurt and angry. If anger is not channeled in constructive ways it becomes self destructive and allows us to do, say, and believe things that we wouldn’t normally do, but we are so angery that we can’t see straight. Then add the fact that I felt the Catholic church was playing double standards I turned away from the church who my whole life was my safe place from the abuse and from entering the convent I had thought about entering.
Al Gore’s book talked about God and Jesus and his faith. Here is a man I thought had great faith in God and Jesus and he truly believed that God was calling him to tell people the truth that we are failing God by letting his beautiful creation be destroyed. I decided that I had been wrong to be angry at God and then I confessed my sins and God has been working on me to the point that the last five years I have realized the truth and have found a purpose in life that He would have me do. We all have a destiny and God has a plan for all our lives. Al Gore is a man who has a strong Christian faith and is doing what he feels God would have him do in telling people that we are destroying this wonderful planet that God Created. We need to be better caregivers so that the next generation will inherit a livable and beautiful planet.
Alot of people make jokes about Al Gore, but I respect the man. From his book I could tell he had a heart for the Lord. That love made me want to get right with God too. I remember years ago when I was riding horses with a friend along the North River in Massahcusetts, where I was living at the time, we talked about Al Gore. I said then that I really liked him. I respected him and still do respect him for his being brave in doing what he feels the Lord would have him do and not allow people joking about him, saying mean and nasty things about him, and making him out as a nut upset him. No matter what his critics might say he continues to do the work he feels that God is calling him to do.
I believe that we as human beings have failed the Lord in being good caregivers of his creation. The environment is very important to me and I feel that we must protect the air, water, land, oceans, rivers, animals, and plants etc and not allow such practices as mountaintop removal mining, drilling for oil in certain places, and using chemicals that are causing the honey bees to get sick and die. The honey bees are still dying off and we need honey bees for the crops we grow.
I am not a science major and science has never been something I was good at. I do better with History. Do I think there is climate change? The science people who do have degrees like Jim Hansen says there is. I am going to trust people like him who do know science over me who has a brain who doesn’t process science very well.
I like to tell people who do not believe in Climate Change that if we as a nation move more Green and renewables that it is good for this country. It brings millions of Green jobs which is very much needed. We are polluting the planet so that once again the fishes in the oceans, rivers, and lakes can be eaten safely and not cause health problems. How many times in the last few years there has been recall on food that is not safe to eat. Organic farmers who don’t use the chemicals are not adding to the honey bee die off that is caused by the chemicals used on the crops. So lets say for sake of discussion that their is no climate change what is wrong with going with the solutions that Al Gore and others offer. I say it is a win win situation not only for us human beings but for the planet as well.
I agree with you that we must be in daily contact with the word of God and yes, I think it is important to receive Christ through Holy Communion. I hate to say this, but I am not as good about going to mass as I should be. I get angry at the double standard I see and then I don’t go for awhile. Praying my rosary and saying the Chaplet of Divine mercy is something I do everyday. I also read the daily readings in my Catholic Prayer book so that the readings I would hear in the daily mass are what I am reading too. The Holy spirit pricks my heart after I say home for a few weeks and urges me to go back to mass. Than I go for awhile until the next time I get angry with the double standard. I will try and be better. I pray for a good Catholic friend that I could go to mass with. I think if I could find someone to go to mass with it would be easier for me to attend because I would know someone else was depending on me to go to mass with them. I pray that and when God is ready he will answer that prayer in his own time and way. The important thing is to be honest to God about our weak points so that you can continue to work on improving.
I think of the reading that we read not to long ago about the two people who went in to the temple to pray. One said thank you God that I am not like that sinner over there. The second one prayed Oh God please forgive me a sinner of my sins. The question was which one is God pleased with the prayer? The answer was the second man’s prayer was more pleasing and that we should look at correcting our pride and start learning how to be humble.
Garfield, you are proud of your race like all the White Nationalists I have ever known in my life. White Nationalists like to think and say that the White race is the source of all the greatness in human history. To many like you Garfield they feel that race is their God. And if they are Christian Identity (WN christian faith) they believe that God only saves White People and that Whites are the true Israel. That Katie and I who are Christians are not really saved because they see the christian churces being taken over by zog (zionist occupied government). I feel that White Nationalists are like the first man in the story above. Their prayer would be thank god I am White and not born a non white. Is that being humble or is that being proud of something you have no control of. One can’t control their being conceived and what parents you will have. One can’t control if they are born a boy or girl. One can’t control what country one is born in. Yet, you White Nationalists like to take credit for the greatness of the White race that happen years ago. It is one thing to know who your ancestors were and what they accomplished because it gives you a sense of knowing who you are and what is expected of you. At the same time one has to learn to find and embrace their own destiny and be willing to pick up the torch of those in our family line who went before us.
Our generation of boomers needs to have the courage to do what we know has to be done to save this nation from falling even deeper in the quicksand of no return. I do pray for America everyday. I trust that God will do what he thinks is best. Yet, time and time again when nations turned away from him they were punished by that government falling. Yet, when his people cried out to Him he would help them and punish those who had punished them. The old testament is very clear about that. Israel has a right to that land. That is the land God gave them.
Katie is right about the third temple being built without the court of the gentiles. So they could build their temple and the Dome can still stay where it is. I support Israel and the Jewish people. Like every other religion they make mistakes. Israel is also a secular state. They have a right wing like we have a right wing in our country. They are not stupid but know that radical muslims want to destroy them off the face of the earth. How do they really find a solution when the other side wants to destroy you? Both sides are part of the blame of what is happening over there.
America is caught behind a rock and a hard place. We support Israel and we will continue to support Israel, but at the same time how can we remain silent on the human rights violations? Boths sides have done terrible things to the other side. I do not know what the answer is, but I do know that God knows what the best solution is and will guide those who have to find a way to bring peace to the middle east. I hope they are praying for God’s wisdom to find the answer to finding lasting peace that both sides can agree to. It won’t be easy when you have one side the radical muslims and White Nationalists who hate Jewish people with a passion and blame them for all the problems in the world. Blaming only Jewish Israel when the radical Muslims have done terrorist attacks that lead to the deaths of innocent people.
It should not surprise any of us as the Bible talks about the final days the world will hate the Jews and Christians. We are already seeing that hate today. How many times do we hear that people who try their best to live their faith are called names because we don’t jump on the newest views of our times. How many of us that are old fashion and believe in traditonal role models and families are told we are stupid and are one big looser?
The church is not perfect and I also read somewhere that the judgement begins with the church. I see that happening now. I am a Catholic and I am very sorry that in our church we had some bad apples who abused children. I was an abused child and I don’t wish that on anyone. The whole Catholic church isn’t bad but to some people they blame the whole church. There are still good priests who live by their vows that they made. I pray that the bad ones will be weeded out and punished.
Some of the Bishops didn’t do anything but move the bad priest to another church, but others like the Bishop in Phoenix where I live had the offending priest thrown out of the priesthood and church. They warned all the Catholics in our local newpaper to stay away from this priest and his ministry as he was no longer a Catholic priest and if we were to go to his group we would be taking a risk. Our bishop took action and dealt with the problem.
I would like to think that we as a Church will finally deal with the bad apples and throw them out. They do not belong in the Catholic Church.
It isn’t only Catholics who have had bad apples in the priest hood. There have been Christian pastors who have fallen into sexual sin and had to resign. This effects all of the churches. I would hope that all Christian churches get rid of the bad apples.
Katie I am so happy you post here and are joining the discussion.
Best Wishes and God Bless
Happy St. Patrick’s day.
Chrisy
Chrisy,
Thank you for your welcome. I have never been one to post blogs because i do not consider myself to much of an orator,lol. I do find this forum to be very interesting though.
My view on Al Gore is quite different than yours which I think it is ok to disagree. We all have the right to see things the way we see things. I can not see Mr Gore as any kind of a christian as he is pro-choice. How can any one that claims to love the Lord say any form of abortion is ok when it is an abomination to God? To me when something is referred to as an abomination in the Bible it means that God strongly opposes it. It is in fact God that opens the womb. I see Mr Gore in much the same way as I see the current President. I think they give very persuasive speeches but I do not perceive the truth to be in either of them. This is just my opinion. I don’t believe Mr Gore is nearly as “Green” as he is telling all the rest of us to be. ( Have you ever “really” checked him out, beyond his book?) I do agree with you that we should take care of the planet we live on. I do believe God put natural resources on the earth and in the earth for us to use, but I think it should be done in a responsible way. I don’t believe that rivers should be damned up at the expense of hundreds of farmers and their families to save some fish, like they did just recently in Ca. I think if there is oil here that we can drill for so that we are not so dependent on foreign oil, then we should, but we need to do it responsibly. I think the things that are happening on our planet are going to happen regardless of what we do, but that doesn’t mean that I think its ok to trash the place. I think all this environmental stuff is just another way to get our attention off of whats really important, which to me is…living in the last days. I think we should be acutely aware of the things going on around us. I think very bad days are ahead of us, but I belong to a big God and He has said he will never leave me or forsake me, but I have to stay in touch with Him thru prayer and His Word so that He can lead me.
I also hope that the ‘bad apples” will be gotten out of the church, but when you have churches appointing homosexual priests to stand in the pulpit, you know there is something wrong. I know that this is offensive to a lot of people but God hates homosexuality just as he does abortion. Because we are under Grace God loves the Homosexual, but this does not mean he accepts their sin. I am not sure what Catholicism teaches on this but the Bible is explicit about it ( I would refer anyone who might disagree to read about Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible) I do not agree with people who think that a person is born gay. I do however believe in generational curses that can be cast down from one generation to the next. That’s why it is so important to have a close and personal relationship with Jesus. We need to know for ourselves how he feels about stuff. I must say I do not in any way think it is ok to persecute anyone, for their race, religious beliefs or even their sexual orientation. I may not agree with them but neither would I stand by and watch someone be assaulted either. I’m strange, I know,lol.
I try to live my life to the best of my ability in the service of the Lord. I fall frequently, but I get up and ask God to forgive me and go on with life. I know that I can’t control what anyone else does, in the church or out of the church. I can how ever be a light shinning in a dark place. The Bible says that in the last days Darkness shall cover the earth and gross darkness the people. I think this is very evident in the world we live in. People call things good that are bad, and they call things bad that are good.We have famous people saying that we all are gods ourselves…and that Jesus is only one of many ways we have to get to Heaven. It just goes on and on and I can’t wait for the rapture…
Take care Chrisy and God Bless you too…..Happy SP Day…Kay
Chrisy, I stand to be corrected here as I am not an expert on RC dogma but as far as I know the ‘rapture’ is not part of RC doctrine right?
Katie, I feel honored to have you post here. I enjoy talking to you. We are both Christian women who love the Lord Jesus with all our mind, heart, and soul. We are still sisters in Christ.
I am a Pro-life Catholic. I believe abortion is murder and is a terrible thing. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control like it is today in this country. Abortion not only kills the baby but the woman too suffers emotionally. Parents should not be allowed to force their teen daughters to have an abortion she does not want. Yet, that happens in this nation and has been for years.
Because I feel so strong on this issue I believe that the Catholic church has to look at their postion of women useing birth control pills. Our church still considers it wrong for women to use birth control. Katie we are not living in the same world where one waits until they are married in a church. Back then couples could have large families, but now smaller families need to be the norm. People should not be having large families of 12 kids. I am a very old fashion woman and believe in traditonal marriage but I also see what is happening in the world. The population of the world is reaching a point of not being able to support ourselves regarding food and water. I just feel that in a time where it is very important we keep the birth rate down that Catholic women should not be made to feel guilty for using birth control because society we are living in forces us to have less children.
You asked if Catholics believed in homosexual marriage. The answer is NO. My Bishop in Phoenix, AZ where I live published a booklet about Catholics in the Public Square. In there he talks about how the Catholic Church looks at those issue and what the right Catholic response is. The Catholic Church opposes Gay Marriage. I would think that the Bible has something to do with the position taken by the Catholic Bishops in America.
The Election of 2008 was the hardest election for me to decide what I was going to do. I wanted to be true to the church and to myself. sometimes they don’t natually walk together and then I have to decide what side to take over the other side. If I wanted to remain a Catholic in good standing I could not vote for the Democratic candidate. As much as I despised the Republicans they were pro-life, and were acceptable to the Catholic church so one could vote Republican and be a Catholic in good standing our vote Democrat and be a bad Catholic.
I did not vote for Obama. There were a few reasons. One, he didn’t earn my respect or vote, because he was dishonest and lied. Two, He was pro abortion. Three. He wasn’t worth my going against the church to vote for him.
I have not looked at how I personally feel about homosexual marriage. I know what the church teaches and so far I say I believe what the Catholic church believes. Maybe homosexual marriage is a topic I need to educate myself in, but I have been busy doing other things.
Some people think Homosexual marriage is a Civil Rights issue. I have been thinking about that and praying for wisdom on that statment. Here are some of my thoughts on that. one, that there is a seperation between church and state and that churches should not be forced to marry people who the church feels is in sin. If the gay couple is Catholic I would hope they would respect the church to marry outside of the church and have a civil cermony. You would still be married by the state but have not forced the church to change it’s religious view. That sepeartion is there to benefit the churchs so there are no state run churches.
Two, I always thought that homosexually was something they were born with. Though I also think that people are conditioned to be gay. They should have rights by the state that protect them from people who would attack them just because they were gay.
Three, I don’t know if I would go as far as to say that gay marriage is the same as Civil Rights for the Black. I have to do more thinking on that. I still will say I believe what the Catholic Church says about this issue. I will listen to my Bishop and try to stay a Catholic in good standing.
As far as Al Gore, I don’t know him in person so I don’t know if his book like so many books is nothing like the man who the books talks about. I just know that the first book he wrote and his feeling about God made me think about God and open my heart to return to the Catholic Church. I may be the only American who read his book and it brought them home to the Catholic Church. I will always be grateful that he wrote a book that woke me up and got me to return to the real world.
May God Bless you Katie and I hope you will hang around and chat somemore.
“You have said that Islam is the fastest growing parasitic infestation in the world today. That doesn’t sound very complementary considering you are pro Muslim. Islam, the religion of Muslims, is growing fast, and that should give you a heads up about the days in which we live. Islam will never defeat Christianity, because Satan can never defeat Jesus.”
Indeed I owe the ragheads to allegiance, they will full fill their purpose and that is to eliminate the jew. Katie, in my view there are many truths in this world and the bible may be one of them. I respect what you believe although I do not agree with most of it. In turn the muslims also sincerely believe that they will take over the whole world. I again reject both these assumptions and believe that a ROHOWA will be your Armageddon and that a New World Order lead by a jew will bring about a racial holy war (ROHOWA).
Katie god may have given the jews land as you claim but in fact it was pre-scripted in 1947 by NATO after the war. They are currently occupying parts of land that was not given to them and this forms one of the main reasons for unrest.
Thank you for your kind words however I do not believe in the theory of salvation, I believe we are all little gods unto ourselves.
“Garfield, you White Nationalists only see Jews as a seperate race that is out to destroy the White race. Do you really think in your mind that Jews, Progressives, Catholics, Mexicans, etc are out to destroy the White Race from the face of the earth? Do you really think that the Jews have as much hate in their hearts for non Jews as you White Nationalists and your radical muslim friends have for Jews and Americans?”
You have asked the question now I hope you are strong enough to hear my answer.
Let us look at the few names you mentioned briefly:
jews.
1. They are the leading produces and distributors of pornography in the world.
2. They unashamedly admit to killing people in sovereign countries.
3. They exert control of many business and financial institutions.
4. Their belief systems is anti white.
5. They control 90% of the worlds media and movie producers (houses), which show race mixing, gay and lesbian marriage, paedophilia and the list becomes more disgusting.
6. They encourage the white race into guilt over the holocaust and never let us forget what really never happened, or the real extent thereof.
Libtards.
They encourage race mixing, mixing of cultural identity and ethnicity, they encourage gay and lesbian unions, anti white propaganda.
Cathlics.
As an atheist I have no beef about what you believe but your church hierarchy has made poor decisions in the interest of white people. Don’t ask me to explain further as it would become an argument.
Mexicans.
I have no interest in them, but they might be considered border jumpers at best.
So yes there is much that I assert to them, they are all a threat to those of us who want to live a separate life away from those who are immoral or who are against our beliefs.
Garfield said: ” as far as I know the ‘rapture’ is not part of RC doctrine right?”
Garfield you are correct. Rapture as preached and believed by Protestant churches like your Baptist, Assembly of God etc is not what the Catholic church preaches.
Catholics believe God is coming again, but as to the day and hour we do not know. We don’t focus so much on the end days but try and focus in be good servents in the here and now. We don’t count the day or try to predict when the Jesus is coming again.
Jeff who was a CI(Christian Identity Pastor) didn’t believe in the rapture as believed by the mainstream Prostestant Churches like the Southern Baptist, Methodist, etc. I can’t remember exactly what he believed as it has been 10 years since I last saw him. He said something like the old theologians didn’t believe in the rapture as believed to day in the protestant churches but that the rapture was a fair new concept. I forget exactly what he said as to who first brought the rapture concept into Christian teaching. I threw out all of Jeff’s teaching materials and so I am to go from memory.
Some Christians believe that God’s people will be taken out pre rapture like the mainsteam Protestant churches of today. Others believe that God’s church will not be taken out before things get really bad. And then others believe the rapture will take place mid point. So in the Christian Churches you have those who believe in pre rapture, mid rapture and post rapture.
Your Baptists, etc believe in pre rapture. CI believes in post rapture. Catholics don’t focus so much on the rapture but just know Jesus is comeing again someday. So I am not really sure if the Catholic church is pre, mid, or post rapture.
I hope this answers your question.
Thank you Garfield for answering the question I asked. Thank you for being honest and saying how you really feel. It helps us to have a better discussion on the issues when we are honest and say how we really feel about things, don’t you think?
I will go in the same order that you did. I will start with the Jews.
Garfield said: ” jews.
1. They are the leading produces and distributors of pornography in the world.
2. They unashamedly admit to killing people in sovereign countries.
3. They exert control of many business and financial institutions.
4. Their belief systems is anti white.
5. They control 90% of the worlds media and movie producers (houses), which show race mixing, gay and lesbian marriage, paedophilia and the list becomes more disgusting.
6. They encourage the white race into guilt over the holocaust and never let us forget what really never happened, or the real extent thereof.
Libtards.
They encourage race mixing, mixing of cultural identity and ethnicity, they encourage gay and lesbian unions, anti white propaganda.”
Yes, White Nationalists have been saying that about Jews for years. But no real proof of that is ever provided. When proof is asked for they are provided by some proof from David Duke and are supposed to believe that just because David Duke says it is true that it is true.
I know when I used to ask Jeff for the truth of what he was saying about the Jews and other things that he would scream at me that he gave me the proof and that I was either to stupid to understand or to rebellious and refused to submit. The problem was that I would read his proof and it would say something different to me when I read it than what I was told it said. Life would have been so much easier if I could have just submitted and believed, but I couldn’t. I had a strong Catholic foundation and so I couldn’t believe as he believed. I still believe that one can’t be a true Christian or Catholic and believe and hold White Nationalist views. The two views oppose each other and one day the person will have to choose which view to hold and leave the other one. I have even had some WN agree with me about that statement. Usually they are the ones who believe that the Christian faith has no place in White Nationalism.
You say their belief system is anti White, but Garfield, I don’t see things that way. Have you ever spent time with Jewish people? Have you ever been to their homes or shared everyday life with them? Judism is a religious faith. There are Jews all over the world who are of different races. Yes, they want their children to marry inside their faith. Catholics want their children to marry other Catholics and raise the children to be Catholic too. I know Protestant Christians who want their children to marry inside their faith to another Christian. That is normal. Muslims want their children to marry another Muslim and raise their children to be good Muslims. Muslim is a religion and not a race. There are Black Muslims who believe in the Muslim faith. Judism is a religion just like the Christian faith or the Muslim faith.
My dad had Jewish friends that he had investments with. They were really nice people. They were White and were good Americans. I say in the past tense because many of my dad’s generation are dead and chances are that they might be too as they would be in their 90′s. Their children were good Americans too. They were older than me but the daughter was a concert pianoist who had a great talent for music. They were a typical Americian family like all of us.
Another set of my father’s friends who he worked with survived the concentration camp. I remember seeing the numbers tatooed on their arm. They had a son who was my age and I remember going to the ceremony they have when a boy reaches 13. We attended so I got to go to the Temple and see first hand a little of their faith. The service was full of music and was very beautiful. You could tell tell Paul had worked very hard to learn his part. It was a very joyous day. They were very nice and I liked it when we went to their house for dinner. This family was White too.
They were from Germany I believe. I am 1/8 German and they were of German stock as well. The Jews who were in Germany before Hitler came into power where loyal Germans. Many of them held the Iron Cross from WWI. Jewish was their religion not their nationality. What Hitler did to the Jews was very wrong. All decent people of the world condemned his action and joined together to fight to stop him. There were Catholics who ended up in concentration camps because their faith wouldn’t allow them to be silent. There were Protestant Christians who ended up in concentration camps like Carrie Ten Boom and her sister for hiding Jews.
Those are just two of my dad’s Jewish friends. They met while working as engineers at Lockeed. The men worked just as hard as my dad and were honest people. They were American Patriots who loved this country and were proud to be Americans. There was no plot to destroy the White race or whatever you White Nationalists accuse the Jewish people of being guilty of.
We will skip the Catholics as I don’t want to get into another fight with you. I like it better when we just talk to each other what we really feel about the issues and treat each other with respect so that we can really talk to each other and not at each other. That is a big problem I think in the world. To many people talking at each other and not to each other and really listening to what the other person is saying.
Mexicans.
Most of the ones I come in contact with are fellow Catholics and we worship together. One of my very best friends in the whole world and who I was confirmed with in the Catholic church is half Mexican and Austrian. I love Nanette very much. When you guys attack Mexicans I feel pain because I know how wonderful she is. I loved her family as well. I remember one Christmas eve I spent with her family and even though they were not as well off as my family they were really happy and they really loved each other. Nanette’s dad came from Mexico and some of his family are still in Mexico. At Nanette’s wedding where I served as her maid in honor it was wonderful to see all the American Garcia’s and all the Mexican Garcia’s having a great time cathing up with each other. The Mexican women that I have met at church are good Catholic women who love the Lord as much as I do. We all desire to be good Catholic women who live the faith and help each other to walk in such a way that people see we have a heart for Jesus and Mary.
There again being Catholic is a religion and not a race. We have Catholics of all races all over the world. The one thing we have in common is that we are Catholic and that we are members of the same church so therefore we are Catholic brothers and sisters.
I know American White Nationalists do not like the Catholic church because of our stand on the Immigration debate. We believe that all people should be treated as human beings. Last year at the Democratic club here at Sun Lakes they had a couple of people talk about the Immigration debate and on this issue I think the Progressives have the right idea.
At the same time we must secure our borders and not just have open borders where anyone foe or friend can come on in. We are a soverign nation and we need to secure our borders. I don’t know any Progressive so far who doesn’t agree that we need to secure our borders so people who want to harm Americans in another terriorist attack can walk in freely. Yet, we must treat those who are caught like human beings. In AZ we have Sheriff Joe and his tent city. The question that many have is are the people picked up for coming into the country illegally being treated fairly and in a humane matter?
Garfield, I want to say something nice to you. Thank you for talking with Katie and me. All three of us are different and have a different view of the world. Yet, we all are managing to really talk to each other in a respectful tone and I hope are learning a little from each other. In the past I may have judged you and I am sorry for that. You have showed that you have more will power than many White Nationalists I have met in my lifetime. You live in South Africa which is not the United States. I have never been to South Africa so I don’t know first hand what you face there on a day to day basis. You also are not an American citizen so I do not judge you on the same measure that I do American White Nationalists.
I believe the answer for Progressives to develop good debating skills is to debate White Nationalists. White Nationalists need to develop good debating skills as well. We can learn from each other by talking to each other about the issues that are important to us as human beings. I want people from all walks of life, political views, religions, etc to be able to post here on my blog and just talk to each other and hopefully learn how to be more effective debaters for our side, and educate ourselves as well with the articles and media links I post on here.
I just want to thank you for being a part of my blog and for sharing with us what you believe as a White Nationalist.
Chrisy, I will conceed that not all jews as poeple are out to destroy the white race but organized jewery and the zionist government, it is well documented and to me self evident that they are perpetuating their own holocaust on others and seek to destroy and water down the white race. No amount of debating will change my opinion on jews. I challenge you to do some research on the Rivionia trial, this is the trial at which Nelson Mandela was found guilty of crimes against the state. Did you know that more jews were on trial at that hearing than blacks? If you can’t find a link to this I will endeavour to find a credible one, start by googling rivionia trial defendants.
On a seperate issue Chrisy, the reason I come at chat at this blog is because I enjoy the interact between normal people, SF can be a little dramatic with some of the hardcore boys, at present I’m posting on a thread were the SF member is basically CI, but yet a jew lover and black sympathizer, yes in other words a troll. I find it hard to debate against someone as ignorant as this member as to top it all he is a white South African. Its sad when a fellow white man judges me based on my religious beliefs, I am at the point of being moderated for my acidic comments but there is a principle to be upheld.
On a personal note I’ve starting renovating my home in preparation for sale and hopefully soon a sale! Then its off to a new start in life!
Be well Chrisy.
Thank you Garfield for the nice words. I can understand your feelings of just enjoying to talk to someone normal.
SF and all of White Nationalism that I was with there was always drama, drama, drama. Plus to add it all you had some men who didn’t think women should be politicaly active. I got tired of hearing all the comments that women shouldn’t even vote.
Yes, I made some good friends and personally liked some people. I do know their good side and they were true blue friends who helped me and were very good to me. It was really hard for me to turn around and start fighting but I felt that they were being traitors to the United States my country. God, country, family was a motto I learned through DAR. Country comes before personal friendships in my view. As a Daughter I have no other choice but to fight.
I will say this about Stormfront, it was the best of all White Nationalist forums. The more intellectual posted at Stormfront. It is a great networking site to meet and work together with White Nationalists all over the world.
I would be glad to look at whatever site you want to send so I can learn about what you talked about in your comment. Garfield, I do have a true open mind.
I am glad you are working on your house to start selling it. I truly wish you and your family good luck in moving to the UK. Did you give up on trying to come to the United States. Wasn’t your dad American?
Do they celebrate St. Patrick’s Day in South Africa?
Chrisy