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I am puting the comments over here so that you and Garfield will post your comments here and you can see what the other person said.

It’s interesting that you say these things Garfield, the same thing happens all the time in the white power circle. Threats, violence, pedophilia, fraud, theft, even murdering their own, are true crimes that takes place in white nationalism.

Sad thing is that people continue to follow such ignorance when they claim to be the “chosen one’s” with higher intellect and moral when in all actuality, they act worse than the ones they admit to being the enemies.

It’s all about power, wealth, status, popularity/rep points, and ego, that’s all white nationalism has become. There is no capable leader, no strong force to conquer the land, it’s a bunch of over grown children with the mentality of a mule. Criminals, thugs, sociopaths and plain losers surround the very foundation of white pride world wide.

Life is too short, there are more important ways to utilize your time other than chasing a phantom dream/ nightmare.

Comment by Ms. M November 9, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

DEar Ms M,

I make no excuses for my beliefs, as these are my rights whether right or wrong in your opinion. Perhaps you could offer a comment on the topic rather than attack my beliefs which strangely are not even in the post?

I am tired of neo-liberal elitist like yourself, assuming to hand out the title of ignorance ad nauseum.

Comment by garfield November 10, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Garfield and Ms M, I have posted your comments so that you can see what the other person wrote. I too will comment as I invite others to comment as well.

I do ask that we treat each other with respect. Even though we are on different sides I don’t want us to disrespect each other.

I also don’t want White Nationalism/Racialism discussed any where else on my blog except in “The Ring”.

The reason for that is I am trying to move away from the past and embrace my future. I wasn’t sure if there was anything new to discuss, but I think there is so I ask that we keep White Nationalism/Racialism only in this thread.

Garfield,

I did post on the other site.

Mara,

I have no hard feelings toward you or anyone on the face of the earth. I know one of my faults is that I tend to only see the good in all people. I am to trusting and it has led to me getting involved with people I shouldn’t. I am not a bad person and I have no hate in my heart toward anyone.

Yes, I have PTSD. I have had it since I was a very little girl. Yes, I do need treatment. I have told you before that I don’t always make the best decisions. I am trying my best and I will be the first one to admit I have a long way to go. I just take one step at a time and try to take things one day at a time. I have a lot better now than I was 4 years ago and I hope a year from now I will be even better than I am today. They had a show on cults last night and it takes a long time to put it all behind you. I am still working on that.

I also have the fault that I have a very kind heart. I hate to be mean to people. I tend to overlook the bad and just focus on the good. I know it is a fault. I think that is why I get taken advantage of so much. lol.

I am sorry that Garfield had that tone with you. Garfield doesn’t speak for me. I have no hard feelings toward you and I hope you don’t towards me either.

Garfield, I think you were a little out of line with Mara. I know you might get mad at me again, but I feel like I have to speak up in defense of Mara as I felt I had to speak up in defense of your good quality of fighting for the environment and climate change.

You know how I feel about your White Nationalist views and we have fought time and time about them. You don’t like my Liberal views or the fact I am a Catholic. I don’t like White Nationalism and as I have posted before I think you are on the road to destruction not only for you but your family as well. As I have asked you before do you think that you are living in reality? You usually post back that being a Catholic is not living in realtiy either, lol.

I said I knew you were not a racist because you yourself don’t think you are and in trying to reach out to you, I don’t want to use words that will make you shut down. I think you are an intelligent man. I think that you seem willing to listen to the Liberal message and that is good. You have to understand that even though I might not use the word racist with you that to other people your views would be considered racist. I find that like the word traitor is being overused these days that racist is being overused too so I am trying not to use that word when discussion of the issues with you White Nationalists.

Racism works both ways. Whites can be racist against Blacks and Blacks can be racist against Whites. I have a teacher friend who is going through discrimation because she is White. People have to understand that racism works both ways. I know you don’t hate Black people as we have talked before. so that is why I don’t think you are racist.

I do however think that you are anti Jewish. I would consider you anti Israel. Is that racism? Could be but I always looked at it as anti Jewish. I am not justifying your beliefs, and I hope that someday you too will see the light and walk away from White Nationalism. As I have posted on my site to you time and time again that you are beliving a lie as the truth. And you usually tell me that I as a Catholic am believing a lie as the truth.

I know you love your children and you think that you are fighting for their future. Don’t you see Garfield that all of us who were sucked into that cult believed that lie. That we were White Nationalists because of LOVE not HATE!!! But Garfield that is a LIE!!!! That is not truth!!!!!!!

I know you think I am an arrogant Liberal Catholic who doesn’t know a thing about White Nationalism, but Garfield I grew up in a White Nationalist home with a mother who sounds just like David Duke. I got called stupid all the time because I not share her political views and chose heroes that she hated. Many times I was abused for the heroes I picked because I would not back down and agree with her. I would stand up and tell her that she is wrong. As you are wrong to dislike Jews so is my mother to dislike others because they are different than her. I know you and my mother would get along. She hated my Liberal friends and would abuse me over them, but my WN friends like Bob Whitaker she loved.

I was involved in the CI aspect of White Nationalism with Jeff. I know you say that Jeff does not reflect the true White Nationalism that you believe, but domestic violence happens in many White Nationalist homes. I know you are not American but in America we had leaders like Kevin Strom who took pictures of little girls and posted them on child porn. David Duke another leader gambled with the money sent to him by his supporters. HE served time in jail. He pleaded guilty to the charges of mail fraud. Inspite of trying to pass it off as he was being a political prisoner(which he wasn’t) the truth is that he was guilty of the crimes. I could go on about the leadership in the IKA and Ron Edwards and their crimes.

Look Garfield, like I and others who have left the White Nationalist cult have posted on my blog that we at one time were devoted to White Nationalism like you are today. We too were willing to die for the glorious cause, lol. Only to find out that that so called Cause we were willing to DIE for was a BIG LIE!!!!!! WE had been suckered into a LIE that was leading us to HELL.

I know we have gotten in many fights over the treatment of women within White Nationalism. I am not the only women who sees how women are treated. It isn’t only Jeff who viewed and treated women as property and not human beings without rights. I see it time and time again and hear it from women some who are still under the total control of their WN boyfriend/husband. You have WN who would want to deny women the right to vote because they know women tend to vote Liberal. They would turn back the clock of time. They blame women for the problems. I know you know I feel that White Nationalism is anti-women, as how many times have you gotten angry at me for saying that.

We always end up in a big fight over our views, but you always come back and because you love the environment and are willing to work for Climate Change I always give you another chance time and time again. We get along for a day or two before our political differences divide us. You are not going to change my views are ever bring me to the place that I can embrace your White Nationalist views. I sometimes think I am not going to change your views either and I think it is best if we end our discusions because I think it is a waste of my time and energy that I need to use to overcome the PTSD that I really want to overcome so I can live a normal life.

Like every thing else Garfield, I just have a hard time giving up on people. I sometimes think that there is hope for you as you keep coming back to my blog.

I know you think that I shouldn’t post here on this blog anymore, but I am going to continue. I like Ring of Fire and inspite of the differences I like the people here.

Ms M is working on a response to you, but I want to remind that she has a life. She is a wife and mother and she is busy. Just because she doesn’t get back to you right away doesn’t mean you can assume she just gave up and is not thinking of a response. You need to show her respect as you want Liberals to treat you. I can already seeing the Ring turn into one big hassle yet both you and her want to discuss White Nationalism on my blog. Garfield, you might just learn something if you would listen to those of us who found the truth and the strenght to leave. It might just save you some of the pain, heartache, and guilt that many of us now feel.

We can’t make you see the truth. Only you can see the truth for yourself. Yet, because you keep coming back to my blog after we tear into each other, I think there is hope for you. I really hope that someday you will realize that you are wasting your life on a lie.
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While it is true that some people on the other blog I post at don’t understand me and we have had words in the past, Mara has always been kind to me and very supportive of me trying to get treatment for my PTSD.

It is going to take time for Progressives to accept me because of my years as a White Nationalist. That is my past and I am not proud of that. I feel some guilt over the words I spoke and wrote during those years. I am not the same person today and I hope that tomorrow I will be an even better person.

Garfield, I have a very kind heart. I am very trusting and I have no hate or ill well toward any person on the face of the earth. I don’t have any ill feelings towards Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Jewish people, Pagans and even people who don’t believe in God.

I tend to only see the best in people and focus on the good. I can’t be mean to people. I just can’t I don’t have a mean bone in my body. That kindess extends to some White Nationalists who I have known over the years. My own roomate Rick is one I would defend in a fight to this day. He is one of the finest people I know on the face of the earth. I would defend Wayen, Bob Whitaker and even you, lol.

I think you are an intelligent person. I like the fact that you love the environment and fight for climate change. You are the exception and not the rule of White Nationalism.

I don’t know what is going to happen. I don’t know if it is good for me to continue to debate you White Nationalists. Is it the best thing for me or is it a step backwards? I have to start doing the best thing for me Garfield.

I have PTSD that I have had since I was a very little girl. I want to get healing for it so I can move on to live a normal life.

It may sound selfish, but I have got to start doing what is best for me. I don’t troll the WN boards anymore. I am trying to move forward and put the past behind me.

I think it is important for you and Ms M to have your discussions. I may not add to them, because I just don’t know if it is the best thing for me.

Please remember to be respectful to my dear friend. She is a wife and mother and is busy. You want Liberals to treat you with respect please and I hope you treat my dear friend with the respect that you would want your wife and daughter to be treated in a discussion.

She is not debating you but is having a discussion with you.

Chrisy

Garfield,

I feel really drained right now. I have been thinking what is best for me and my healing. I want to get well, Garfield. PTSD is a terrible thing to have and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

I feel like I have taken a step backwards in my healing. I feel like the last few days has really been draining on me. I thought I was doing pretty good there for awhile. I was moving forward and I thought making good progress. Now I feel like I have gone backward a few steps.

One of the results of PTSD in my case is that many times I don’t know what is best for me. I am to trusting and very loving and kind hearted. I tend to put people’s needs, wants and wishes over my own. I don’t like hurting anyone.

I know you don’t believe this at this stage of your life, but White Nationalism is like a cult. People are sucked into White Nationalism and are devoted to that cause and are even willing to die for it. Many times they give up the old friends, family, and hobbies that they used to do before they allowed White Nationalism to consume their whole lives. Many of us wake up and realize that we had wasted our lives on a Cause that wasn’t real. I know you don’t understand what I am trying to say and most likely are angry with me again. I am sorry, but I must be honest with you.

I like Ring of Fire and I am learning so much and I like Mara. We agree to disagree a lot, but she has always shown me true kindess and is supportive in my moving forward and putting the past behind me. She encourages me to get healing for my PTSD.

Please don’t post any rude comments to Mara because you are angry with her. I know how you act when you get angry with me.

One of the hardest struggles I am coping with in my life is learning to think for myself.

The last fight we got into made me realize that I need to not debate you guys anymore. That there was nothing new to bring to the table and I knew I wasn’t going to change your mind and you were not going to change my mind. I am a Progressive. Though I know that other Progressives would doubt that because I don’t 100% agree with them on every issue. I am a pro-life Catholic, lol. Yet, I am a Progressive who agree with them about 90% of the time.

I want so much to heal and move forward and be able to live a normal life. I would like to meet someone who will know me as I am and love me inspite of everything as I love will love him. Yet, I need a protector, as I have always needed. I would hope he is a fellow Catholic so we can share the same faith. I will never have that if I can overcome the PTSD.

I guess I am trying to say that I think it would be better if after you and Ms M finish your discussion that you don’t post here anymore. I don’t hate you, as I don’t hate anyone, but I have to do what is best for my mental health. Having you here is the last contact I have with someone who is an active White Nationalist.

I am sorry. I hope you can understand.

I hope someday you see the truth and will leave White Nationalism behind you and start on the long journey of healing.

Christine Cosser

Thank you Garfield for your understanding and kindness.

Chrisy

Saturnia said: “Not at all. That is what I was trying to say, that I knew of so many people that ARE aware of the problems going on in society, but just stick their heads back in the sand. I would never dare tell someone to ignore things.”

I see that too with people. I think of the DAR ladies who don’t want to speak out about the problems, but just pretend that everything is ok with our government. Well things are not ok with our government when we have a government that tortures people, spies on our own people, rips up the Constitution, and lies to us.

I believe that as their daughter I have a duty to speak up and try to correct the abuses of power I see. I am reading a book now about the Founding Fathers. I just started it so I can’t say much about it yet.

It was like we were to pretend that this is the same America government that was founded by our ancestors and stick our heads in the sand and keep quiet and not dare speak the truth. I couldn’t live like that. I know I am passionate but I just couldn’t be silent and watch the evil corruption continue to overpower and destroy the government.

Maybe another common link between Liberals and Racialists. I am not sure what word to use as some don’t like the word White Nationalist and others do, whereas Racialist seem more inclusive of people who share your racial views. I don’t mean to offend anyone. I think that all people regardless of political view point see the corruption of our government and want to try and stop it.

I may call it corporate money that pumps so much money into the political process to both parties that they are the ones who government serves and not the people. The people are getting pushed out of the equation. They may still pretend that they serve the American people but the truth is they serve the large corporations who pump so much money into the government. We need real election campaign reform that takes the big money out of the political system.

We disagree on who it is that is destroying and corrupting our government, but we both see that our system of government is being corrupted.

Here is another reflection. I wonder if the American people are being divided on purpose because those who have corrupted our system of government know that if the American people ever came together to defeat the common enemy even though we hold very different political views that we would toss them out of power and retake this country for the American people who value truth, justice, and freedom?

In the book I am reading it pointed out that our 13 colonies came together to fight for freedom and putting aside our differences for the most important goal of “freedom”. Even back then the South and the North disagreed on the vision they had for America, but gaining their independence was the common goal that they worked toward.

Maybe if we could find someway to work together as one nation we could save the nation that was founded by our ancestors instead of what we see today and the continued corruption of our government by those who for their greed are destroying this nation.

Gar,

My mind tells me you are right that mankind will not sit around the campfire and smoke the peace pipe long enough to save the planet or do what is necessary for the children to have a good future for them and their children. Yet, my heart so much wants to see the adults of today do what is best for the children so that they do have a good future. My heart wants us to succeed but my mind knows that the odds are overwhelmingly against us.

You used the word racist not me, lol. I used racialists.

Liberal or Racialist we both love and want the children to have a good future. That is a common goal. We may have a different vision of what we want America or the world to be, but if we don’t find some way to come together and work as one team to fight against such common threats as the environment and climate change that will effect all children on the planet than we have very little chance to succeeding.

Like the Founding Fathers who inspite of the differences between the North and South came together for the common goal of becomming a free and independent nation, we as adults today need to come together and work for the common goal of using renewable energy and other technology that will help fight the effects of climate change.

It doesn’t mean we all agree on everything else or that we stop fighting on the other issues, but it means that we are working together to do what is necessary to stop the disaster that is coming to the next generation because of climate change. Will we as boomers and X’ers have the courage to put aside our personal feelings and do what is best for the children of the world?

Maybe the best we can hope for is that we work seperate but are equally doing our share to bring us into a world where renewable energy is used? You know the seperate but equal concept.

Just because the odds are against Liberals and Racialists agreeing to smoke the peace pipe and put aside our differences long enough to pass real climate change Bills doesn’t mean we should stop trying. We must always be willing to take risks in life. Sometimes we fail and fall flat on our face but other times we win and achieve our goals. I don’t want us to fail in making sure the children have a good future because I wasn’t willing to put aside my differences with another human being in fighting the common threat of climate change. Time is running out, and if we don’t start stepping up to the plate and really fighting this common threat than we will LOOSE. That thought breaks my heart.

Climate change is much more serious than asking the Klan to give to a Library that is going to be used by Blacks and Whites. Climate change is more like the North and South coming together to fight the American Revolution inspite of their very different vision. If they had continued to allow those differences from working together than they would have lost and America would not have been born as a nation.

I know it won’t be easy because on the Liberal side they would be shocked with the idea of working not exactly together but side by side in our own spere to combat the effects of climate change but that we help each other achieve the desired results that are necessary to stop the trainwreck that is coming soon. I am not sure how many Progressives would be open to the idea.

On your side you have White Nationalists who many times are still in denial about Climate change because of the money that corporate America has spent in getting the media to tell the American public climate change isn’t real. Most Americans for the most part still believe that climate change isn’t real or that all the science isn’t in yet so they don’t have to worry about it. Your side is going to have to spend lots of time educating the people to the reality of the problem we are facing.

How many Racialists would be willing to work with Liberals who they call Libtards to solve a problem that effects every human being on the face of the earth? How many Liberals would be willing to work with Racialists? I fear the answer is very few who would be willing to take the risk and step out of their comfort zone and really put what is best for the children first over their own personal view.

Gar, I am hoping that we can show others the way here. That we can show the world that every single human being has something in common with another human being. That in order for the children to have a real future that we as adults have got to put aside all our personal likes, dislikes, pride, political and religious views to fight against such issues as climate change that effect all of us on the planet.

The odds are against us, but as a Catholic I believe in miracles, lol.

Gar,

I think it is wonderful that you put your family first. You are right family can never be replaced and I admire people who put their family first over anything. I would never fault you for your feelings about your wife and children.

That was one of the things I remember about White Nationalism is that they always said it was about family. That all they did and believed was for the future of the family. Yet, Gar so many of the events were not about family. It was an excuse to “party”. They didn’t have anything for the kids really, it was all about “drinking” after the lectures. It just seemed like if it really was about family they would have had things for the kids to do while the adults were in the lectures. It wouldn’t have been “party time” with leaving the kids at home so the adults could party.

Maybe another common ground is that love for one’s children and wanting them to have a future?

I will say that I did feel a real sense of community and that there was true kinship. That there was more acceptance of allowing people to explore different ideas and more acceptance of people who had a different view point. I do miss the friendships I made. I felt they were real. Even when I had walked away I didn’t have people judge me but encouraged me to pursue my Liberal side. I met true friends who helped me when I needed help. I will never forget them and will always hold them in my heart.

I haven’t found that same kinship but maybe that will come in time. I know I am not a White Nationalist, but sometimes I wonder Gar if I will ever be accepted by Progressives? It seems like I will never really fit in anywhere. I don’t support abortion and never will and that puts a hedge up. I don’t support Gay marriage and that is another hedge. Yet, I am not a White Nationalist. I feel stuck in the middle and a person without a home.

I know you and I disagree a lot about the Catholic faith, but my faith is very important to me and it upsets me when the Catholic church is attacked for standing up for their beliefs; much like you feel when White Nationalism is attacked.

That same double standard I saw in White Nationalism I also see with some Progressives. I don’t know if you understand what I am talking about. Maybe all of life is people who hold a double standard of spewing hate toward someone who is different or holds a different belief.

While the White Nationalist might bash the non white and Jewish person, the Progressive will bash the Republican and Catholic. The Conservative bashes the Liberal and on and on the circle goes. Yet, when someone who is in the same party or group does the same thing as the person who is being bashed in another group is doing; the person in the same group is having excuses made about his behavior.

I don’t know if you understand what I am trying to say.

I am just going to continue on the path of being true to my beliefs whatever they are. For the first time Gar, I am having to decide for myself what I believe and think on the issues. It was so much easier being told what I had to believe and think. It is much harder having to think things through on my own and make up my own mind.

Yes, somethings I am Progressive on and that is not going to change. Some things I am a devout Catholic on and that is not going to change. Some of the lessons I learned about real and true friendship from the White Nationalist friends I knew is not going to be forgotten. I don’t just turn off my feelings like one turns on and off the light switch. I love all kinds of people. Why can’t I be able to have all kinds of people in my life from all different walks of life?

I think one of the secrets in life is not to prejudge people. I can only be true to myself and march to my own drummer. If something bothers me speak my mind and not care if anyone else agrees with me, yet life is to short to fight. I think I am learning to walk away and not continue to put energy in something that is only a waste of my valuable time on earth. Maybe I will find the happy middle of being part Progressive but still able to be a Catholic in good standing?

Yet, I do know one thing if it comes down to choosing a political view and my Catholic faith I will choose my faith first and foremost.

As you are a moderate White Nationalist maybe I am a moderate Progressive, lol?

I am just thinking and posting these thoughts out into cyber space.

This comment posted by Krim Krim was posted on another thread and I want to keep the White Nationalist/Racialist postings in the ring only.

Krim Krim says: “your all pussy’s with your anti gun bs go fuck your self”

Krim, I am posting your comment in the ring because that is where I want all WN/Racialist discussion to take place on my blog. The other parts are for serious dicussion on the articles and media clips.

I don’t know how to respond Krim. Though I will start I think you are not helping to build bridges in finding ways for us as human beings to work together to solve the problems that face all of us on the planet.

We are not going to all sit around the campfire smoking the peace pipe and holding hands in love and understanding; but we all have children in our lives that we love and want them to have a future for. I don’t have children of my own but I have a Nephew who someday will have children and I want them to have the best future.

Progressive, Conservative, White Nationalist, Racialist, Democrat, or Repbublican we all want the children today to have a wonderful future. Yet, in order for them to have that good future we are going to have to put aside some of the behavior that is acceptable today. Yet, how many people of all political views are really willing to step out of their comfort zone and really seek to work with any human being that is willing to work with them to solve the problems facing mankind?

I got the comment from Krim because I had posted in July 2009 that I thought it was wrong for little girls to be posing with guns and talked about on a website as they are some hot looking babes.

I believe in the 2nd Ammendment the right for all Americans to own a gun and I do not want to take away your guns. At the same time, I think that we need to have common sense laws in place.

I think it is common sense to have a waiting period so that a background check can be done on the person wanting to buy a gun. I think it is also common sense laws to ban some high powered guns. I don’t know your gun models but I don’t think one uses a machine gun for hunting.

I don’t think children should be shooting guns without adult supervision. That to me is common sense. If a dad wants to take his children hunting I have no problem but he needs to be watching over them and suvpervising them.

Krim, what is your vision of America? Do you want to go back to the Wild West where everyone has a gun and differences are settled by gun fight?

I hope that we have come further than that mindset in America of 2009. I would hope that we have reached a place we as Americans can seek to resolve our differences through understanding and reason.

Krim if you want to make comments on my board I ask you to only post in the ring.

As for that website, Ring of Fire, I checked it out, briefly. I bring enough trouble on myself in real life, lol.

Comment by Saturnia November 22, 2009

Yep, I hear you there my friend. You and I have met in person so you are therefore a true friend in this life.

I know that you are reflecting and re-evaluating your life. I am doing the same thing. Maybe it is because 2009 is coming to an end and we want to decide what we want to keep in our life and what we should let go.

When I see myself now and where I was five years ago I see that I have made progress. I still have a long way to go, but I am in a much better place.

I am in a better place because I am learning to look at the issues and make my own mind on what I believe. At the same time I am learning to stand up for what I believe, not in anger, but in conviction. IT is ok to be a passionate person who because of their conviction is willing to stand up and fight for their beliefs. When I stand up now to people I am not doing it in anger anymore, but with conviction.

Ring of Fire has really great shows and I learn alot from them. I seperate the blog from the show. I will continue to post clips from there that I find very educational and informative. I hope you and others will listen with an open mind.

Yet, a couple(2) of the posters on that blog I do not respect because of their actions. I am not going to go out of my way to get in a fight with anyeone, but if that one person continues to write about me and make assumptions than I will stand up and clear the record and try to correct the misconceptions thatis being posted about me on that blog. It is simple really, if she doesn’t want me talking to her, then don’t post about me.

Life is to short to spend on computer infighting and drama. I didn’t like SF because of that reason and I am beginning to to feel the same way about ring of fire blog.

3 months ago I would have said it is a great blog and that it would be a great place to discuss the issues from all points of view, but now I think it is a blog that if you don’t fit the mold of what a Progressive is like than you are not really welcome there. If you have an open mind and try to look at ways to work with all people on the common areas such as the environment and climate change, a good education for children, healthcare for all Americans, and good jobs etc,than you are an evil person who is buddy buddy with White Nationalists because you dared to try and find common ground of understanding.

Isn’t it sad that if one really puts the future of children first over personal opinions and seeking ways to work with other human beings regardless of race, political view, religious views etc that they are condemned because they are willing to seek if there is someway that all of us as human beings work to save the planet?

I wonder if Garfield gets heat by his follow White Nationalists for seeking a way to work with me a Progressive on the common issues that effect all of us on this planet and are going to take all of us working toward the same goal of reaching 350 so that all children have a chance to live a good quality life?

I know I am not explaining this very well.

Maybe it goes back to the group(herd) thinking that all the people within a certain group have to think and act the same way. That those of us who are different and want to march to our own drummer or band in my case are outsiders who will never really be accepted in the group.

I am just going to continue to do the best I can in life and not care if I ever belong to any group.

Garfield,

I posted your comments.

I am sad that things turned out the way they did on Ring of Fire blog. I enjoy the shows and have to seperate the shows from the blog. I would hope Bobby and Mike don’t feel that anyone who speaks with conviction is an angry person who attacks others, when the truth is that Mara 1. likes to talk about people 2. make assumptions about people 3 harshly judges people.

I would hope that they would try and understand that we are not all going to agree 100% with each other and that I am not an evil racist because I try and live by the teachings of the Catholic Church the best I can, that I am willing to work and talk with anyone on the computer who is willing to fight for issues that effect all human beings on the face of the earth. I would hope they would be more open minded than Mara and Colleen.

I find it sad that some people are so extreeem in their Progressive mindset that anyone who disagrees with them is either an evil racist or is insane. They don’t see that they have a much hate in their heart for people who are different than them than some of the posters on VNN who have hate in their heart for others who are different than them.

Inspite of what Mara might think, I am not angry with her. I actually feel sorry for her. I don’t hate her either, thought I do believe she hates me and believes she is right in her treatment of me because I stood up and spoke from conviction about the abortion and gay marrage issue. I stood up and spoke up when I felt that my church was being attacked. You see I have come to see that with progressives like Mara and Colleen that anyone speaking their own mind on the issues is accused of being angry and hate filled, but who has the real hate in their heart and who is really angry? I think it is clear that they are the ones who have the real hate in their hearts.

Garfield, to them we are buddy buddy because we talk on the computer and seek to work on fighting climate change so that all children on the earth have a future. We are trying as my dear friend Saturnia said find positive ways that we can all work together on the common areas that effect all of us as human beings.

To them I am an evil person because I would be on friendly terms with you. They can’t understand that concept that a friend is someone you know in real life and over time come to have affection for. An acquaintance is someone who you are on friendly terms with yet hasn’t gone to the level of true friendship. An acquanintance is not as deep as a true friendship with someone who one knows in real life. Mara doesn’t understand there is a difference. She doesn’t understand that you and I are computer acquanintances who are seeking to understand each other and to see if there is some way to work together on the areas that effect all humans on the face of the earth.

You see to people like Mara and Colleen they feel they are perfect and that is why they feel they can judge others the way they do. Yet, the truth is that a real Progressive mind does not act like they do or treat others as they do. A true Progressive doesn’t want everyone to be a robot who has to march lockstep together and anyone who dares to stand up for their beliefs with conviction is being angry and a bully because heaven forbid that they spoke up with passion and conviction. Who holds the real hate in their hate? I think the answer is very clear in that it isn’t me or the Catholic church who hates but it is people like Mara and Colleen who have hate in their hearts toward Catholics, Republicans, and anyone else who doesn’t think exactly like they do on the issues.

My faith comes first over my political views. I couldn’t be a White Nationalist because some of the beliefs that White Nationalist hold go against the teachings of the church. I am in the same boat with some of the Progressive platform because of their view of abortion and gay marriage. As I had to stand up and one can’t be a true Catholic and a White Nationalist I am almost at the same place in saying one can’t be a true Catholic and a Progressive at the same time because abortion is evil. It is the murder of the unborn child. As Catholics we can’t support abortion and still be members of good standing in the Catholic Church. I am glad that Bishops now are standing up and telling the truth and even denying those Catholics who publically come out and say they are for abortion. We as Catholics have a choice. We either follow the teachings of the Catholic church or we don’t. If we decide to go aganist the church than we must face the music and not whine about it. If they choose their political party over their Catholic faith than that is their choice.

I don’t know if I will be posting very much on ring of fire blog. I like the shows and I will still listen and watch the clips. Those that I think are good and I want to share with others I will continue to post here. Those clips that just want to bash Catholics/Christians or cause division I will not post here. This country doesn’t need more division and those clips that I feel will divide us as a nation I will not post here. I feel we need to find ways to unite as a nation to work together to solve such pressing problems as climate change.

If I have something to say than I will post it. I don’t plan on talking to either Colleen or Mara unless they keep talking about me and I feel that I have to correct the lies and misconceptions they are spreading about me as the truth. Yet, at the same time, I am learning that I don’t have to have the last word and can walk away.

I am a Catholic first and foremost. The church isn’t perfect and we have made many mistakes, but I believe that we have also done a lot of good in the world through the ages.

I tried to correct the spelling, lol. I hope you don’t mind.

I was thinking about the situation today as I was working with my patient. I had thought about posting on Ring of Fire, but I decided it is not worth the time or effort. It is not going to change things and only going to give those two more ammo to use in their gossiping about me.

You and I know the truth. We know that we aren’t buddy buddy best friends. I live in America and you in South Africa so it isn’t like we are going to meet and have a drink together. Just because we are trying to find a way to work together on the issues that are important to all of us such as climate change and the enviornment doesn’t mean that we are BFF(best friends forever).

Maybe I have a different concept of what true friendship is. True friendship is knowing that person in real life and over time developing true feelings for that person. We come to love them in time. Acquaintances are peole we know who are on friendly terms with but the relationship is not as deep as BFF’s.

It doesn’t matter what I say because they will never admit to themselves the truth. In their mind anyone who would even talk to White Nationalists is an evil racist. They aren’t going to change their mind about the Catholic Church being racist because as a church we are pro life and fight against the murder of an unborn child.

It has taken me a long time to reach the place where I am today in being able to walk away and not try and justify myself. I think we all want to defend ourselves when people gossip about you. Yet, what does it change to stand up to them? It doesn’t change anything because in their mind they are right and I am an evil person.

I posted personal stuff on there not because I trust them or even like them. I posted on there because I was reaching out for help.

I really don’t care what they think of me. The truth is that I have met White Nationalists in real life who are better human beings than those two Progressive women. They helped me when I needed help and they have true compassion for people. They know what true friendship is. Just because Rick, Wayne, and Bob W hold a place in my heart doesn’t mean I am a White Nationalist. It means that I still value them as people. I value the friendship that we shared. I don’t agree with them and they don’t agree with me, but they are still good people.

My Catholic faith comes first. Because of my faith I couldn’t embrace White Nationalism. The same thing is happening with Progressives. I am finding myself having to accept that maybe there isn’t a place for me in the Progressive group?

Maybe it doesn’t matter that on the issues of environment and climate change I am in agreement with the Progressives? Maybe there is no place for moderate Progressives?

So once again I find myself not belonging with any group, but find myself as an island that is not connected to any group.

I used to get angry a lot more than I do now. I am learning to control my Celtic temper. It doesn’t do any good and it would be a waste of my time.

I am not going to tell you what to do as you must make up your own mind.

Bob W is a sweetheart. I hold him very dear in my heart. The last time I saw him was when he came to visit the Phoenix area. He took my mom and I out to dinner and he charmed her, lol. Actually she really liked him. He told her his Ronald Reagon stories, which she loved.

The last time we talked I told him my feelings about everything and he encouraged me to to do what I felt I had to do. He never made me feel like I was a terrible person because I wanted to embrace my Liberal side. I miss talking politics with him.

I worry about his health and hope he is doing alright.

It sounds like a topic that Bob would discuss. He knew I was embracing my Catholic faith again too. I think he understood my feelings and just trying to find my place in the world. Anyway, he is a great guy. I don’t care what anyone says, he is a great guy and I still love him as a dear friend.

There are many different kinds of love in this world. The love between friends, the love between husband and wife, and the love between parent and child. I am not ashamed to say I love him as a dear friend and that will never change. I would help him out in any jam he ever got into.

Bob W makes me laugh and I like his stories. He is a wonderful story teller. He truly is a Southern Gentleman who will hold a place in my heart.

Yes, I can see where that would fit. We are like two people traveling together on a bus, airplane, or ship. We are friendly during the trip but afterward we get off and live our seperate lives.

I think we are being brave in trying to reach out of our comfort zone and looking at ways to understand each other better and trying to find a way to work together on those common areas where we do connect. My friend Saturnia is a very smart lady. So far I think we are doing a good job in keeping the ring positive and who knows what the future will bring.