Dear Garfield,
Once again you prove just how childish you White Nationalist guys really are. You get mad at me so you act like a two year old and write your nasty little comments. You don’t respect the fact that I a woman would dare to stand up and do what I believe is the right thing to do. Yes, I deleted your post. I am not sorry I did and I would do it again. I tried to explain to you in an adult manner why I deleted it and wouldn’t let you mock a great man by twisting his words to justify your White Nationalism. It isn’t going to happen Garfield. As long as their is breath inside of me I will not allow you or your fellow White Nationalists/National Socalists/Racialists deceive people in thinking that Robert Kennedy would ever justify your White Nationalist Cause. He spoke out against the way Blacks were treated in your country Garfield when he went there for a visit. Why would you want to quote a man that you hate? You wanted to mock him and try and hurt me because you didn’t like what I posted or because the quote I had posted got you thinking about just how wrong you are in believing that you the White race is better than other races.
Yes, I will continue to troll Stormfront and other WN sites. If I find something I want to comment on than I will. If I don’t than I won’t. I don’t focus all my time and energy on White Nationalism as I am moving forward in life and trying to expand my mind and knowledge of the world and important issues. My fight against White Nationalism is just one part of my life and as time goes on it has less and less influence on me. I will continue to speak out and fight your message as I think it is important to stand up to your message of hate. I think it is important to expose the truth.
I don’t take marching orders from you Garfield and you can’t tell me what to do. Just because you are a White man doesn’t mean that you get everything you want or that people have to bow down and let you say whatever you want on their blog. You were out of line and I am not sorry I deleted your post. I tried to be fair with you and you crossed the line. Then you act like a typical WN jerk and have a temper tantrum because heaven forbid you didn’t get your way. Do you really think that helps your WN Cause to act like a little boy instead of a real man who would understand that he crossed the line and I had every right to delete that post.
You talk about how big and strong you are because you live in South Africa. Well we Americans can be strong too. We Americans can fight for what we believe in just as well as you South Africans fought for what you believe in. Don’t just assume that Liberals are wimps who do not have any backbone to fight for what we believe is morally right. There are Liberals and Progressives who I do believe have the courage and moral backbone to fight. Maybe I haven’t met one yet, but somewhere out there are Progressives who not only have a good mind but have a good heart and who will love this nation enough to pick up the torch and fight to save it from the current path we have been on.
Don’t just assume that everyone who is on SF is one of you. You would be surprised at how many undercover people are on there playing an act to get information. I still stand by my statement that you have just as many if not more people waking up to the truth that White Nationalism is a failed Cause and is going NO WHERE!!!! I know more about White Nationalism and its people than you think I do. Yes, you have new people who are afraid of the economy and the direction of this country who are checking your message out, but most of them at some point wake up to the truth that WN is a Cause of LOOSERS and is not going to WIN!!!!!
You don’t see the truth because you are still drinking the WN koolaide and only see what you want to see regarding the Cause and the people who are involved in the Cause and the so called LEADERS of the Cause.
I feel sorry for you because I thought there was hope for you and just maybe that you could be saved. No one can help you see the truth about WN until you are ready to see it. Until that day you will continue to believe that you can change the world and actually win your White Homeland by living and dying if needed for you White Nationalist Cause. Garfield, many of us were at the same place that you are now; willing to die if needed for a Cause that in the end was not worth our time and energy that we wasted. Until you can see the truth for yourself than you will continue to believe a lie.
Do you really think that David Duke is going to lead you to the victory you so desire? Do you really think Alex Linder has the answers to gaining your all White Homeland? You guys think we Liberals are lemmings who are sheep following a lie, but who are the real sheep? Who are the people who refuse to look at all sides of an issue with an open mind? I know you guys will continue to refer to us as Libtards. You know Liberal=retard. You whine that I am generalizing about you guys but I at least try and respect you guys enough to show you the respect to call you the name you want to be called. Your side just refers to us as Libtards.
Some might say it is the fact that you guys don’t have a good heart, but I know that isn’t the case. I know many of you have a good heart. I think it is because you have not really taken the time to educate yourself on the issues and haven’t looked at things with an open mind. You have closed your minds to any information or viewpoint that doesn’t fit your narrow view point of White Nationalism.
Even within your Racialist Community Garfield, other Racialists think White Nationalism is a joke and not the reality or the future of your Cause.
You are still welcome to comment on the articles but I have to go back to reading your posts before I just approve them. If I feel they add to the conversion than I will approve them. If it is more of your childish behavior and personal attacks because you are mad at me because I deleted the Robert Kennedy post than they will continue to be denied.
No matter what happens I do wish you and your family the best. I hope you find what you are looking for and are able to leave South Africa and move some place else.
Christine Cosser
Garfield, Thank you for sending me the link to your new blog. I am glad you started your own blog where you can write your thoughts.
I am happy that you have decided to exercise your right of free speech and free thought.
I am not afraid of you posting another view point. As a Liberal I believe in every man should have the right to have their own personal opinions on issues. I have my blog where I post my thoughts and you have your blog now where you can post your thoughts and articles that reflect your views.
I hope you find as much joy in your blog as I have found in this one.
Christine Cosser
Thank you Chrisy!
Am I still welcome?
Gar.
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My Comment:
Gar, of course you are still welcome.
We may fight but that is because we are both passionate people and feel strongly about what we believe. I also think we are both reasonable people.
I truly wish you and your family the best. If you knew me in person you would know that I have a very kind and loving heart toward people.
I am glad you have your own blog where you can post what you believe. I will be checking out your blog as you do mine. It will give me a chance to know the real Garfield, lol.
I will comment if you want.
Chrisy
I find that different people have so many different ideas and interpretations on what certain things can mean, it’s better we all just think for ourselves. Maybe a bit of an idealistic fantasy on my part, but I’ve definitely found fulfillment in it, despite the repercussions.
When I went to Catholic school, I was taught that Catholicism was universal. That to me doesn’t seem to coincide with WNist views. Yet, I’ve seen a lot of WNists consider themselves Catholics. Perhaps, it’s more of a tradition they grew up with and they find ways to tie it in with their WNist beliefs. I can’t say for sure.
“you White Nationalists/Racialists or whatever name you choose to call yourselves will go further than you are today with continuing the same failed policies.”
I think if WNists would drop the tried and failed policies and went with something that would actually appeal to mainstream people, they would get pretty far. They are kidding themselves if they think that to have a White Nationalist society, they don’t have to appeal to White mainstream people. After all, White mainstream people are a part of the nation, no?
“other Racialists think White Nationalism is a joke and not the reality or the future of your Cause.”
‘Tis true. I’m one of them. I lost track of how many other racialists I’ve met that felt the same way.
I found a post there recently that really stuck with me. My better half still posts there on occasion, and as I went there to stalk his posts (lol), I found another post by a friend and did a search on his posts. Well, to make a long story short, it led to other posts and threads and I happened on this post:
“Nothing will move forward when the diseased move freely among the healthy. It’s like trying to swim with a hundred pound weight tied to your leg. You spend much more energy fighting the weight just to stay afloat than you do moving forward.”
It really stuck with me because that is exactly how I felt during my last few years in WNism, and it’s one of the long list of reasons I took a hike. That last two years, especially, woke me up to a lot of things. Life has taught me I’ve always functioned better as an army of one. I never end up agreeing with most others, nor do I want to be told what to do, so I don’t know what I was thinking, that I could be a part of something. I joined WNism for political reasons, to fight and die for a cause, but it turned out all the in-fighting, drama, and gender wars made it a dead weight attached to me. Like that poster says, I spent more time trying to fight the dead weight, than I did actually moving forward. I want to think, say and do what I want, talk to who I want, and go about my beliefs as I want. I have my own ideas of what my “role” in life is, and my own ideas of what I consider anti’s to be, I don’t want to conform to whatever others think I should or shouldn’t do, I don’t want to be a follower of any kind, nor do I do sacred cows. I believe no one is above questioning and criticism, not you, not me, not anyone. If you were created by sperm and an egg like I was, and if you will end up in a grave like I will, you are not above questioning and criticism.
I still wish everyone the best in achieving their goals. I will find my own ways to move forward, and whatever happens, will happen. As long as I die fighting for something (or against something, lol).
Garfield,
You asked why I deleted your comment? I deleted it because you couldn’t resist attacking me and my blog.
Your comment was directed at Saturnia and yet you found a way to insult me. You should have directed your comments to her. That is great that you enjoyed her comments. You should have left it at that. You didn’t need to make your snide remark.
I don’t go over to your blog and make snide comments but I have showed you respect. I expect you to show me the same respect that I show you on your blog. Until you can do that there will be some of your comments that are not posted.
Saturnia my friend. I have been busy with dealing with things so I haven’t commented before. As always you are very insightful. Plus I like to think about things before I comment. You and I know each other in real life and have taken a different path than when we last met at New Orleans.
I agree with you that it is better to let people think for themselves. That is one of the most important things I have been learning this past year is learning to think for myself. After so many years of being told what I had to believe and parroting what I was being taught; I am learning to think things through before responding. I am learning to think and sort things out for myself and reach my own conclusion. A whole new world is opening up before me and I do not regret for one minute leaving White Nationalism behind me. Yes, I miss the friends I loved and cared for, but as for as the rest of the crap that went along with it, I don’t miss it at all.
You remember your Catholic teachings very well. Catholics all around the world are one body even though we live in different countries, speak different languages and are different races. Finding my way back home to the Catholic church was the first step in me seeing the truth about White Nationalism. One can’t be a true Catholic/Christian and a White Nationalist at the same time. I know some WN’s delude themselves because they don’t want to give up the Catholic traditons they grew up with.
I agree that they do need to do a better job of selling themselves to the average Republican who is active in the tea parties. I notice on some boards that White Nationalists/Racialists/National Socialists are divided on this issue of reaching out to them. Some think that they should reach out to the mainstream White Republican and others see them as a lost cost not worth wasting their time or effort on.
It is the same drama and infighting as there has always been. Some think the BNP and Nick Griffin sold out and others think that he is playing the game correctly. I actually think NG is playing the game smart, and DD was wrong. DD is a great debater and I believe very smart, but he is an American like us and he knows our system of government. He is not a Brit and it is a totally different ballpark and game over there. NG is a Brit and he knows what works in the UK but doesn’t know what works in America which is why I got so mad at him during 2005 Euro and his speech of judging us Americans as failures. I wasn’t the only American who was offended at his speech.
They are both smart men and in their own way achieved some political success. Though I do believe the MEP is more powerful than your American State Rep which is the only elected office that David Duke served in. Even though he ran for other Political office being a state rep for LA was the only one he won and actually held. I think people give DD more credit and believe he held more power than he actually held while serving as a State Rep from the state of LA. A State Rep is not equal to a US Representive who serves in the Congress in Washington. I would think the an MEP who serves in the EU would be more equal to a US Congressman than a State Rep. I don’t mean to rain on any WN parade but the great David Duke did not achieve any real power in the United States Government.
I do understand your feelings and I think that is one of the reasons I woke up from zombie land. I felt that all the time and effort I had put into the so called Cause was a WASTE. I felt that it was all one big LIE. I felt lied too and most of all I realized that with the leadership we had we were NEVER going TO ACHIEVE VICTORY!!!
I don’t think the so called LEADERS want to achieve success. I think that they are in it to make as much money as they can for themselves and they don’t really CARE or LIVE up to the principles they say they believe or preach for others to believe. They reminded me of a so called Baptist Pastor who works on the Christian Right and condemn Liberals as evil sinners but than it all comes out later that the Baptist Pastor had a mistress of his own the whole time he was condemning the Liberal for having a mistress. I hate hypocrits and I just got tired of people making excuses for the WRONG behavior of WN leaders.
The difference between you and me is I don’t wish them the best in acheiving their goals. I want to stop them from achieving their goals and am fighting against them. I feel like I was brainwashed to believe a lie as truth. I feel like I have finally come home to the person I was politically when I lived in MA. I was a Liberal Democrat back then and now I am a Liberal who is a member of the Green Party. So for me I am coming home.
My years involved in White Nationalism were a nightmare. I am finally waking up from the nightmare and even though I still have a lot of healing to do before I have finally put everything behind me, I know that I am on the right path for me.
I will always wish you the best personally. I am proud of you my friend for leaving the Cause. I am glad you moved back home and are moving forward in life. I wish you friendship, loyality and love. I will always be here for you as your friend.
I still wish certain people I knew and loved friendship, love, good health and happiness, but their WN goals I do not wish them success. One can wish people they care about success in life and being happy, healthy, and loved; yet at the same time hope and fight against their political goals for the country so that they will fail to achieve those goals.
I will always seek ways to work with all Americans to correct the problems that we face as a nation. There are some problems that we as a nation are going to have to work together to solve. It doesn’t matter what political views one holds we as Americans have got to find a way to work together to fight to save the planet from the effects of Climate change that so many White Nationalists deny. Time and time again I read thread after thread about how Climate change doesn’t exist and they are in denial or that it does exist but man has no part in it or role to play in stopping the changes. They just don’t seem to really care enough about the planet to join the fight.
WN seem to live in this dream world that they can have 12 children per family and that all will be ok with the world. They seem to think that they will be able to live in this paradise only of White People and of having lots and lots of White babies, yet, not caring about the world or planet that they are bring these innocent unborn children into. I find their words that they love White children and securing a future for them as empty because they don’t seem to care enough to fight against the real threat of this generation and that is climate change.
They don’t care that we are running out of fresh water to drink or that because of drought that the earth is not growing as much food as we once did, and hunger is going to be a real problem. They just think it is a third world problem and since they don’t care about anyone who isn’t White they say good riddance. I still remember the glee and happiness that some WN posted after the terrible wave hit on Christmas 2006 I think it was that killed so many people. The comments of happiness WN made about so many non whites and white liberal traitors being killed by the wave. That wasn’t the first time I have seen WN happy and cheering when Non Whites are White Liberals are killed.
No, I do not wish White Nationalists any form of success in achieving their goals that I feel is going to be adding to the suffering in the world, but I am willing to work with them if they are willing to work on fighting what I think is the most pressing problem of our generation and that is climate change. Will they admit that climate change and reaching 350 is more important at this point than their dream of a White Homeland?
Will they admit that climate change and fighting for the future of the next generation to live on a livable planet is more important than their fight against Jews, Blacks, Mexicans and all the other Non Whites?
Will WN admit that they are fighting for a pipe dream that is not real or practical?
I personally don’t think they will admit that they need to join the rest of the world in fighting the effects of climate change over their dreams of a White Homeland. I personally think their hate for Jews, Blacks, Non Whites, Liberals, Catholics, and women is more important than working with Liberals to reach 350 that needs to be reached.
“Will WN admit that they are fighting for a pipe dream that is not real or practical?
I personally don’t think they will admit that they need to join the rest of the world in fighting the effects of climate change over their dreams of a White Homeland. I personally think their hate for Jews, Blacks, Non Whites, Liberals, Catholics, and women is more important than working with Liberals to reach 350 that needs to be reached”.
I think our pipe dream is quite comparable to the assumption that jesus will somedat come save the world from evil. Thousands follow a dream and beleive it will occur, perhaps you could see clear to offer the same hope to others who don’t follow down your path of religious liberalism the right to follow their pipe dreams? Or is that too much to ask considering WN want their own pipe dream too.
Your other pipe dream is 350, you forget that the Yanky dollar talks louder than climate change and until a significant jump of maybe 2′C in the earth’s oceans, the US will continue to destroy our planet.
Gar.
Dear Garfield,
You have a right to your opinion regarding Catholics and our church as I have a right to hold my opinion regarding your White Nationalism.
You have a right to fight for your White Nationalism views as I have a right to fight for my Liberal/Progressive views?
You have a right to deny Climate Change and I have a right to fight to save the planet from the effects of Climate Change.
Yes, the chances of our reaching 350 in the needed time frame or very slim. Does that mean that we STOP TRYING?
I will admit that American Corporations are a BIG part of the stumbling block on our reaching that goal of 350 but other countries are included on that list too. The UK, China, India, Canada, and others haven’t done all they have to do either. It isn’t fair to only blame the USA for the world not moving fast enough to deal with the effects of climate change; though we are one of the nations that has not acted as we should.
It is a global problem and it is going to take all of us as a global community to ACT and DO all we can to reach the goal of 350.
At least Liberals/Progressives see the problem and are fighting to save the planet whereas White Nationalists/Conservatives either deny the problem of Climate Change or think that their message of HATE is more important.
“At least Liberals/Progressives see the problem and are fighting to save the planet whereas White Nationalists/Conservatives either deny the problem of Climate Change or think that their message of HATE is more important”.
Please sipply a credible link where WN have denied climate change, or that hate is more important?
Just one if you please…….
Gar.
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Dear Garfield,
I have read many threads on both SF and VNN that deny Climate Change. I have had many conversions with White Nationalists who deny climate Change.
Also you do not think that you preach a message of hate so you are not going to refer to yourselves as preaching hate. Though to the rest of us in the world, your message is in fact a message of hate.
VNN is a White Nationalist Site.
Alex Linder is one of your leaders in the White Nationalists/Racialist Cause. He may be more hardcore than Don Black or David Duke, but he is still a player with his board VNN.
I am not putting links because I don’t want to link but I will copy and paste.
This is from VNN and Mike from Denver. Making a joke about Global Warming/Climate Change. Making a joke is a form of denial.
Notice the Al Gore comment. White Nationalist Mike seems to be in the group of White Nationalists/Conservatives who think Al Gore and the rest of us are loons.
Mike in Denver
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I am sitting in my office, looking out the window at about 16 inches of global warming. In the next 48 hours or so we should get another foot or more of global warming.
Save us, Al Gore!
Mike
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What Mike in CO and many White Nationalists don’t understand is that it is the time of year one does get snow in this country. The Winter Snows are not what we used to get. We who depend on our water from the Colorado River have noticed the drop.
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Well, you see (trying to keep a straight face) the reason it’s colder now is because of all the melted polar ice caps. It has dropped the ambient temperature to the point where winters are early, and worse.
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Alex Linder had a whole thread about Global Warming/Climate Change.
March 4th, 2008 #1
Alex Linder
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[What's the scam? Dressing up the same old tired judeo-commie agenda in science drag. Trying to get ordinary people to cede more power and money to the people who already have the most of it - the government. Tens of billions of dollars have already been disbursed to politically interested 'scientists' to study an imaginary problem that was never more than a socialist's computer model in the first place.]
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Another post my Alex Linder a White Nationalist leader.
March 5th, 2008 #2
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GM exec stands by calling global warming a “crock”
Feb 22, 2008
DETROIT (Reuters) – General Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a “total crock of s—,” saying his views had no bearing on GM’s commitment to build environmentally friendly vehicles.
Lutz, GM’s outspoken product development chief, has been under fire from Internet bloggers since last month when he was quoted as making the remark to reporters in Texas.
In a posting on his GM blog on Thursday, Lutz said those “spewing virtual vitriol” at him for minimizing the threat of climate change were “missing the big picture.”
“What they should be doing in earnest is forming opinions, not about me but about GM and what this company is doing that is … hugely beneficial to the causes they so enthusiastically claim to support,” he said in a posting titled, “Talk About a Crock.”
GM, the largest U.S. automaker by sales and market share, has been trying to change its image after taking years of heat for relying too much on sales of large sport-utility vehicles like the Hummer and not moving faster on fuel-saving hybrid technology.
“My thoughts on what has or hasn’t been the cause of climate change have nothing to do with the decisions I make to advance the cause of General Motors,” he wrote.
Lutz said GM was continuing development of the battery-powered, plug-in Chevy Volt and other alternatives to traditional internal combustion engines.
GM is racing against Toyota Motor Corp to be first to market a plug-in hybrid car that can be recharged at a standard electric outlet.
Lutz has previously said GM made a mistake by allowing Toyota to seize “the mantle of green respectability and technology leadership” with its market-leading Prius hybrid.
A 40-year auto industry veteran who joined GM earlier in the decade with a mandate to shake up its vehicle line-up, Lutz is no stranger to controversy.
As part of a campaign against higher fuel economy standards, Lutz wrote in a 2006 blog posting that forcing automakers to sell smaller cars would be “like trying to address the obesity problem in this country by forcing clothing manufacturers to sell smaller, tighter sizes.”
Automakers ended their opposition to higher fuel standards in 2007 when it became clear that proposed changes would become law with or without their support.
In December, President George W. Bush signed a law mandating a 40 percent increase in fleetwide fuel economy by 2020, the first substantial change in three decades.
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The leftist anti-corporate idiots don’t even realize that Gore and his family were raised to prominence and riches by the commie jew Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum, who did business with the USSR for decades, all through the ‘Cold War,” which itself was a scam. Jew Hammer used to brag about having Gore Sr. in his pocket. Before Hammer, the Gores were nothing but Tennessee dirt eaters and school teachers.
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Originally Posted by Sir William Robert
The Lemmings are starting to wise up!
If the lemmings are ever going to realize it’s complete bullshit, they’ll ALL instantly turn around and say “oh but we knew it all along” then hang themselves to the next “end of the world” scam.
The same people who are screaming about global warming are the same who screamed about the “ozone hole” (early 80’s paranoia), “space debris of doom” (mid 80’s) and the “killer bees” (end 80’s, early 90’s paranoia).
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Oh Garfield, one of the tags they have listed is Global Warming Hoax.
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Global warming is the Malthusian pet project and cash cow of the Global Gore-ites: a.) de-industrialization (following demonization of fossil fuels as emitting “greenhouse gases”) thus causing diminution of carrying capacity, b.) create artificial demand for green energy technologies which Gore and buddies are heavily invested in. It is the product of warped, misanthropic minds.
We don’t need to listen to Doomsday Dreck like this. It isn’t White people (the greatest Cornucopians the world has ever seen) endangering all life on this planet through our industry but rather the billions of savage mud people who we insanely agree to support.
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GW is as easy to see thru as the whore who accused the Duke students of rape. Clown + computer model =/= me changing the way I live.
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Global warming is based on junk science. It’s an opportunity for the gov’t to get more control of your life.
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Whites are encouraged to embrace the Global Warming religion, because then they’ll be more willing to make sacrifices in their lifestyles instead of fighting against the third world invasion and the NWO.
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If Global Warming exists why are the Antarctic Ice sheets getting thicker?
If the myth of Global Warming was true, the Antarctic ice sheets would be reducing in depth.
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Garfield that is just the postings of two threads on VNN. I have seen them on SF.
I will copy and paste from SF when I see them. So yes, I will take you up on your challenge and expose the denial within White Nationalism of global warming and climate change.
Garfield, I don’t know your exact views on Climate Change, but if you are one of the few White Nationalists who believe Climate Change is real than you need to be educating your fellow White Nationalists to the truth and be open to working toward the 350 goal that is the only hope that we have to overcome the biggest problem our generation is facing.
It is a fact Garfield that most of your White Nationalist brothers and sisters either deny Climate Change or if they belive it is real do not think it is a big enough threat to put aside their idea that each White couple needs to have at least 5 children to out breed non whites so that the white race will survive.
At this time what is needed is that couple reduce the number of children they have and not increase the size of children being born into the world.
Dear Garfield,
I read your last post on your blog. I agree with you that the time has come to say enough is enough and walk away.
We will never agree and we will never see eye to eye. You say I like to generalize but you White Nationalists like to generalize about Liberals.
VNN is a White Nationalist board rather you on Stormfront want to admit that it is. You are both fighting for the same thing a White Homeland. You may call yourself White Nationalists and they may call themselves Racialists but you are fighting for the same thing. Rather it is SF or VNN you are still fighting for the 14 words that you say you believe in.
VNN is more hardcore. Not all of VNN is neo nazis. Not all of SF is KKK or WN who fight for Southern Rights. You have the same goal and though you have a different method to achieve that goal you are on the same side.
For you to make it sound like VNN and SF is like Catholics and Protestants is only proving my point, because both Catholics and Protestants serve the save God and believe in Jesus as the son of God. We may have different man made traditions but the basic belief that Jesus is the Son of God is the same. So yes, you example just proves my point that VNN and SF are both White Nationalist/Racialist boards working toward the same goal. SF is WN light and VNN is WN hardcore.
Yes, Garfield, I admit that on that one area about birth control I disagree with the church. I oppose abortion so please do not make it seem that I am against the church on the abortion issue. On the issue of birth control I disagree with the church because I believe that for the survival of mankind we as a world have to cut back on how many babies are born right now. I don’t think the church at this point understands just how critical it is for us as a planet to allow women to practice a form of birth control. I oppose abortion so therefore as a reaonable thinking person I support birth control.
It doesn’t mean I am a terrible Catholic because on one issue I don’t agree with the church. If it will make you feel better I will talk to a priest about this. I doubt I am the only Catholic who disagrees with the church on this issue. You aren’t even a Catholic, but in fact hate the church so why do you care about the condition of my soul?
I am even willing to admit that both sides generalize about the other. I don’t think that will change. You White Nationalists are going to continue to call us Libtard and other sweet names. You are going to continue to bash the Catholic Church. You White Nationalists are going to continue to deny that climate change is real and put your White Nationalist goal of a White Homeland on hold to fight to get us down to 350. We Liberals are going to continue to lump any of you who holds the dream of having an all White Homeland as White Nationalists/Neo Nazi haters. We Liberals are going to continue to speak out about Climate Change and how important it is and how we need to cut back on the population and not try and outbreed other races(like WN do). We Liberals are going to continue to fight for the Civil Rights of all people regardless of race, sex, or religion.
I say we let the discussion end. Not because I am afraid of you, but because it is a waste of time. I know you will try and twist it around that you win, but you didn’t win anything. I just think it is a waste of our time.
I am moving forward in life. I am learning new things. I am walking away and I won’t be posting on your blog and I will not be approving your posts either.
Oh your little threat of copying and pasting on SF is no big deal because I don’t care. It won’t change my views nor my blog change your White Nationalists. It is a waste of time on both sides. So your little buddies can come and spam the blog and make their nasty little comments and I won’t approve them.
So you have maybe 1% of White Nationalists know that Climate Change is a real threat and are willing to do something about it. That isn’t a very good percentage. We may have 5% of the general population who is serious in the fight to stop climate change.
It is stupid for you not to admit that most WN are in denial. Americans are really in denial because Corporate media has done a really good job in making people think that there is no such thing or if there is climate change it is natural. So for you to claim that WN don’t deny Climate change is wishful thinking.
Europeans have a greater understanding and acceptance of climate change and global warning than most Americans do. I would even admit that your European WN might not be in as much denail as your American WN. Though talking to WN/Racialists from all over the world they tell me that they don’t like the term WN and that it is mainly an American term. Some even go so far as to say WN is mainly a SF term.
One last thing, Garfield, you deny that White Nationalism as preached on SF is a message of hate. Here is a thread that I read on your beloved SF that I believe is a message of hate directed to those people who fight against the White Nationalist message. You talk about Liberals and me generalizing White Nationalists/Racialists but your side is generalizing against Whites who do not agree with your message. You (WN/Racialists) believe and say time and time again that anyone White who is against your message of White Nationalism is anti White and therefore a race traitor. That is very general and untrue.
Yesterday, 10:28 AM #1
Trotis
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Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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I have mentioned my 2 annoyances in life, blacks and anti-racists/racists and was wondering which is worse.
While blacks have their annoying tendencies and their violent society and all these things we have discussed, they still don’t choose their race, which is a small consolation.
Antis also have annoying tendencies, although come from a less violent nation, yet they support nations that are more violent, and they have a choice to be anti’s.
Can anyone tell me which one they find worse?
I’m not really sure which one I dislike more!
I think, (white)anti’s are more civilized than black people, but also feel they are a lot more accountable for their views, since they choose to side with another race.
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Here are some of the responses:
Yesterday, 01:21 PM #4
Lord Jim
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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Blacks are the same, they’ve been the same for 100,000+ years. No growth, no change. No developments, no intellectual thoughts. Simple, albeit savage, tribesmen well accustomed to their environment.
Anti-racists have spent 40 years injecting the black into our world, demanding more and more accommodations to offset their shortcomings. Anti-racists sacrifice the knowledge of 6,000+ years of human history attempting to instill a sense of pride and accomplishment into a people who have accomplished nothing, not even the wheel in their 100,000 year history. Anti-racists drain the coffers of nations supporting the slothful black. It is by their hand we have to suffer with rape, robbery, and murder by a people unable to adjust to living in the civilization whites built.
Blacks are just the beneficiaries of Anti-racists attempts at social engineering.
I’d say the evidence is pretty clear. Anti-racists are worse by several orders of magnitude.
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Yesterday, 02:34 PM #6
hoosiermommy
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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The ‘anti racist’ whites..especially Anti racist males are the worse racists..but they are racist towards Whites and especially Appalachian Americans..who are the people they derive their favorite insults from..
They are worse than the people they defend..they a lot of times will go out of their way to look like the good white person to a minority..they are violent on top of being non trustworthy..
I have witnessed them make threats..and they will be the first to target and verbally attack WN women and children..who aren’t a part of the conversation at hand..all the while drooling over shebooniqua..who is more racially aware than he will ever be..lol..sad..
so..violent..untrustworthy and attacks people whom they think are weaker..
NO..not a fan of the Anti white crowd..
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My comment:
While I do not believe in your WN/Racialist message I condemn all violence and yes, violence has been directed toward women and children who are at your rallies and events. On the other side of the coin your side has also committed violence toward people as well. I condemn both sides and will continue to condemn both sides for thinking that violence is the answer in fighting this war of ideas. People on both sides need to remember that once violence is used for any reason except self defense you have lost your cause already. I believe in non violent protest. I believe in fighting ideas with ideas and not acts of violence toward the other side.
I would add that most Liberals and Whites who oppose your White Nationalist message oppose violence and would stand with me in condemning anyone on our side who committed violence against women and children in any circumstance.
Yesterday, 08:30 PM #7
Pinpoint
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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White anti-racists are the worst of the worst. They are single handedly holding back progress.
There is no excuse for being a grown up anti-racist. The information, statistics and facts are posted all over the internet. If you are lucky enough to have grown up in the comfort & safety of your all White neighbourhood, you have no right looking into diverse neighbourhoods and pointing your fingers.
The majority holds the power in nearly every single situation except for Jewish global supremacy. Anti-racists hold the power because they’re the majority (for now) so by simply sticking their heads up their asses and refusing to acknowledge bonafide facts that prove multi-culturalism isn’t working, they’re causing the genocide of the White race.
If anti-racists suddenly woke up and joined forces with us, we could easily defeat the enemies.
Blacks are bad, but they’re like wild animals really. You can’t really blame a wild animal for acting animalistic and uncivilized. It’s just the way they are. There’s absolutely no excuse for anti-racists to act the way they do.
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My comment:
This is not the first WN/Racialist who has referred to Blacks as nothing more than animals. Jeff and his CI beliefs considered them beasts of the field. I can only speak for me, but I find labeling people as no better than animals hate speech. You are not even giving them status as human beings.
I know Jeff didn’t think we women were human beings but slaves and property of the men. I personally didn’t like living that way with someone who didn’t even think girls/women had rights as human beings.
Garfield that is hate speech. It doesn’t matter if you and your WN friends understand that you hurt people when you as a group say the things you do. NOT EVERY SINGLE WHITE NATIONALIST FEELS THAT BLACKS ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS BUT ANIMALS, BUT ENOUGH DO TO REFLECT ON YOUR GROUP AS A WHOLE.
Today, 01:06 AM #9
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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Anti-racists, by far. As much as I hate blacks (for entirely personal reasons, NOT out of the mere fact that they are black), it stands that they would not be a threat to white society if not for agitation by anti-racists that allowed the dismantling of segregation laws and citizenship limitations, thus enabling blacks to spread among the general population bringing their barbaric cultures with them and poison our bloodlines with their genes.
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Today, 01:40 AM #11
WideEyedWhite
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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Remember, there are no anti-racists or blacks without the jew. As much as the first two boil my blood, when it has settled, my mind rightly confronts the jewish question.
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My comment:
It always gets back to the Jew with you people. No matter what issue is being discussed on SF or the other White Nationalist boards it is ALWAYS GETS BACK TO THE JEW!!!
I know you don’t see that as hate speech, but a lot of us do. Are Jewish people perfect human beings? NO, and there are Jewish people that will admit that they are just human like all the rest of us and they too make mistakes in life like EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THIS PLANET.
You say that I generalize, but don’t you see Garfield, you White Nationalists generalize too?
Do I have to remind you Garfield about White Nationalist referring to Liberals as Libtard you know Liberal+retard =Libtard. That is insulting and a generalized term as any term that Liberals us to refer to you White Nationalists. It is not right to generalize and refer to the other side of the political spectrum as insulting terms but it does happen. I would love to see more respect given to both sides and just debate the ideas but I just don’t see that happening. Maybe it is human nature that both sides use insulting terms about the other side. I don’t really know the answer as to what we can do to change that. At least be honest Garfield and admit to yourself that generalization goes on by both sides.
Today, 02:06 AM #12
Peace Through Stormfront
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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Tough choice, but I’ll have to go with anti-white whites. And, yeah, the jew probably set up the anti-white whites to be the way they are.
I’d be happy to leave the anti-white whites and commie jews bound, and gagged in front of a bunch of African muti-men, witch-doctors and cannibals. They so belong with their beloved “homies”.
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My Comment:
I suppose you thought the picture of President Obama dressed as a witch doctor was funny. I bet you WN laughed your heads off and thought good one.
Garfield, I know you are not American but the American WN who thought that picture was so funny should know better. They should know that even if you personally don’t like the man who is President you respect the office of President.
It isn’t just you WN/Racialist/Conservative Republicans etc who have forgotten that. There were some Liberals who during Bush’s term of Office forgot that line as well. I am not defending Bush, but some of the things that were said and printed about him I also felt crossed the line of how we should treat the office if not the man.
I didn’t vote for President Obama because he didn’t earn my vote or my respect. He still hasn’t and I can say that as an American. I believe that someone who runs for elected office has to earn my vote and respect before I vote for him. I don’t jump on the slogan wagon and vote for someone because of his slogan, or if he looks good on tv, or if he can deliver a great speech. I judge on qualities such as Honesty, Courage, is he the kind of man who is curious and will get to the bottom of things by himself or if he just takes someone word on something and doesn’t take the time to do his own research on something before jumping to conclusions. Is he a reasonable person who is willing to listen and hear all sides before deciding the path that he will take this nation down? These are the questions I ask myself and if I can’t answer them with knowledge than that person doesn’t receive my vote or respect.
I have always voted like this and I always will. Yet, we as Americans and that should include all WN Americans as well must show the office of the President some respect. That picture of President Obama dressed as a witch doctor was out of line. That too Garfield is a message of HATE. Every single person who laughed and thought that picture was funny and was happy to see the President mocked that way is just as guilty as the people who actually printed it. I personally know how people can be hurt by gossip and rumors whose lies become stronger than the truth. Anyone who listens to gossip and passes the gossip on to others as the truth is just as guilty as the one who started the gossip. I look at the picture in the same light.
I will continue to fight for freedom of speech and thought in this country. I believe we must fight for that freedom for every single American or we will loose it.
I just wish your side would see the truth that your message is hurtful. You don’t see it, because you don’t want to see it. You have passion and fire for you Cause. I have nothing against passion and fire for one’s Causes because I have a lot of passion and fire for what I believe in too. Many of you of good hearts. Many of you have better hearts than Progressives I have met and known in this life who might have good minds but they have bad hearts. Oh, how I wish you would open your minds. I can’t force you to see the truth anymore than you can force me to see or believe in your WN message.
Today, 03:37 AM #13
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Re: Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?
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“Which is worse, blacks or ‘anti-racists’?”
“antis” are the lowest form of filth on the planet
and must be done away permanently for any sane, healthy society to exist.
white “antis” are useful idiots, [shabbaz-goyim] for their jew-owners,
a suicidal infection that tries to destroy the health and well-being,
the very life of any White families it can infect, corrupt and ultimately destroy.
aside the jew, we have no greater enemy than “antis”!
never doubt for second the murderous hatred that scum has towards White people;
the views on SF are somewhat diluted and protocol prohibits those things form expressing their jew-made, diseased thinking..those vile, mutants of kosher-exposure, long devoid of any semblance of Humanity.
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My Comment:
Garfield I can feel the love that SF posters have for us White Liberals who believe in Civil Rights for all people. I am being sarcastic Garfield.
I was thinking about that the time has come for the debate to end. It is a waste of my time and your time. All political debates have to end at some point of time. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine.
We Liberals are going to continue to fight your WN message and you WN are going to continue to feel the same way you do about any White person who doesn’t believe in your WN message. Both sides will continue to generalize each other. So what will be changed by us continuing this debate? NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED.
I want to move forward in life. I want to find some happiness in life. I am 51 years old and I would like to find happiness in life as I have known very little happiness in this life.
I do have an open mind Garfield. I really do and I time and time again have read, heard, and studied what it is you believe as White Nationalists. I always come to the same conclusion that it is a message of hate that hurts people. You WN try and justify your hate by saying your message is about love of your race and not about hate. Yet, if your message was truly only about love than why so many comments about other races, women, Catholics, and Liberals that are filled with hate. If your message is truly about love of your race than why is so much time focus on Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, Liberals, women, and Christians? You don’t just talk about your love for the White race but you put others down. It is like in order to feel good about yourself you have to put others down so you feel better. I know many of you don’t see it, but maybe someday you will understand what I am saying.
I know you hate the Catholic Church and blame us for many of the problems in the world as I blame White Nationalism. Again I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change my mind. It has reached the point of being a waste of our time and energy that we can put into better use of our time.
I want to continue to study and educate myself on the issues and I know you are busy with things that you need to be doing.
I know you don’t believe this, but I do wish you and your family the best. I hope you find what you are looking for in life. I can be a Liberal and fight your ideas but still wish you personally happiness, good health, and love. I can still wish you true friendship, loyal friends, and success in being able to move to another country that you want to go to.
I believe it is possible that two people who hold such different political views can treat each other respect. Remember Garfield I am not attacking you but your ideas. I would hope you are not attacking me but my ideas.
Anyway, the time has come to end this debate between us so goodbye and good luck.
Christine Cosser