I am posting this with saddness. I guess I was wrong about another person, but that is typical. I thought she had moved passed all the White Nationalist bullcrap, but I guess she snapped having to deal with Kevin all these years. I don’t understand why people do these crazy things.
Whoa! This came out of nowhere! On the same day Prof. Henry Louis Gates was being arrested in Cambridge, Mass., the Charlottesville, Va. police were completely ignored as they hauled in Elisha Strom! This is the ex-wife of Kevin Alfred Strom who got him locked up after finding child porn on their computer. Apparently computers are poison to the Stroms, because on July 16 police raided Elisha’s home and snatched up all the computer equipment and her. Her next scheduled court appearance is on Sept. 17 and she will remain in the hoosegow until then. Now the reason why she’s in jail is kind of…cloudy. Apparently she has taken up photography, and her subject matter is Charlottesville police officers at work, at home, off duty, pumping gas, etc. She posts all of this on her blog and in some cases includes home addresses. She has a particular interest in the drug cops, and they didn’t take too kindly of that. She was picked up for harrassment of a police officer. Normally we take great joy when a Nazi gets locked away, but we really, REALLY want to know just what the hell is the deal with this one. We will be following this one like a friggin’ hawk.
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To read the rest of the story you need to go to OPP.
This came totally out of the blue. I met Elisha in person and I really liked her. I thought she was a strong lady who after all the crap she went through would have moved forward and make a new life for herself and her daughter. I considered her a friend.
It isn’t easy to put all the White Nationalists bullcrap behind you, but it is possible to do it and not go off the deep end. What happen? Why would she do what she did?
Am I so different in that I wanted out and want out? Is that why I am moving forward in life or at least trying to?
The really sad and weird thing is people have always made me out to be the looney tunes one, but the truth is I am quite sane even though I do have PTSD and have emotionally shut down for years. As Terry said when I asked him if what people said about me was true; he said that I was more into reality than most people.
I feel really bad for her little girl, and I feel bad for Elisha because I think she had a nervous breakdown of some kind. Maybe the stress of all those years with Kevin and all the crap she had to deal with because of White Nationalism pushed her over the edge.
I hope she will get the help she needs to come out and live a productive life and to be a good mom to her daughter.
You know I was reading about the murder of a mom in MA who was murdered for her baby. On a forum I asked how could someone be so cold and heartless as to kill another woman to take her baby? Someone answered because they want a baby bad enough. I responded that I can’t have children and I love children but I would rather adopt an abused child because those children need a safe and loving place to grow up in. Now Elisha’s daughter dependeing on what happens will have to deal with the pain of being seperated. I hope she has family who can help her daughter go through all this.
It always breaks my heart that another child has to pay the price because of her mother’s actions.
This is a very strange bit of news, although I’m not going to make excuses for it. I’ve met Elisha Strom, the woman in the pic looks nothing like her, though I haven’t seen her in a few years, and many things could have happened in between then and now.
I remember being glad that she had gotten out of this shit after that whole incident with her ex, and everything else she went through, along with it. When I mentioned something about making a new life, or returning to the life before, she said something about having given up everything non-WN related, and that many people do that when they join “the movement.” Although I had never given up anything non-WN related, I have found it to be true for a lot of people. Then, when they get burned and decide to leave, there’s nothing for them to go to. I think this is what happened to Elisha. There was nothing to go back to, no support, and she may have become bored, lonely, and eventually lost it.
I actually wanted to locate her in the past few months and find out how she was doing, I guess this is what she was up to.
I hope she gets her life together and finds happiness, especially for her daughter.
I agree with you my friend, I hope she gets the help she needs so that she can move pass this. I too wondered what had happen to her, and now I guess we know. I so much was hoping that she would put this all behind her and move forward in life for her daughter.
I also think you might be right about her not having any support outside of the White Nationalism and when it was over she had nothing.
I was thinking last night about why some of us are able to leave and move forward. For me my faith is I think the main reason I am sane. For you and other people I know it is their strong family and friends.
Anyway, I hope she will find a way to put her life together, find a nice guy who isn’t in any way connected to White Nationalism and will just be happy and enjoy life.
Saturnia, I found the blog link.
http://iheartejade.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-07-17T19:12:00-04:00&max;-results=1000
It doesn’t make sense to me. I just think she snapped, and maybe like you said she was lost, lonely, and didn’t have anything and so became obsessed with the police. I can’t even begin to know what she was or is thinking.
I truly hope she gets the help she needs and is able to put White Nationalism and all the hell behind her. She has a little girl who needs a mother who is stable.
I really do wonder what has happened!! this is so interesting!! it makes me wonder if the case she put against her husband was true … because if shes crazy enough to start something like this what makes us think that she wouldn’t try putting her husband in jail on false charges?? … hmmm??
another note: i hope that her daughter is all right going through all of this. it must be very confusing to her… whatever happens to Elisha i hope her daughter is in good hands
I knew Elisha in person and I liked her and considered her a friend. One thing I know about Elisha is that her daughter is in good hands. She is passionate and honest at least I found her to be.
No matter what Elisha did, it was not easy because no matter what she did it was never right with White Nationalist men. They always found something to condemn her for. It was she was not submissive enough or she was to modern to be a White Nationalist woman because she wasn’t the perfect image of a White Nationalist wife and mother. She was strong and stated her opinion and thoughts which to many made her not a woman but a feminazi.
Do you know how it feels to have people take your photo and make nasty comments about how you look? I do, because I was in the 2004 Euro Conference photo and people made nasty comments about me. I was wearing a dress with a blue hairbow and people said I was a he/she and couldn’t tell I was a woman. Do men were blue dresses and their hair in a pony tail with a blue hairbow? I have brown hair and living in AZ I get a suntan so I was accused of being Mexican and non White. White Nationalist men couldn’t stop talking about how ugly I was because I didn’t have blonde hair and blue eyes. I was used to that, because even as a kid, I had one kid who was the daughter of my mothers friend say that she was so beautiful because she had blonde hair and blue eyes and I should wear a paper bag over my head because I had brown hair and brown eyes. I was 11 but I never forgot it and I tried to avoid them when they would be coming over for dinner. I didn’t like them or their daughter. Elisha had to go through hell with what White Nationalist men said about her.
Elisha was my friend and I hope that she is doing good and has moved on from the nightmare that she suffered because of the HELL Kevin and other White Nationalists put her through.
When people go through a nasty shock they do things that they normally wouldn’t do. I don’t condone what she did, and wish she would have kept some of her friends from before she met Kevin and become his wife. If she had kept some of her pre White Nationalist friends she might not have gone off the deep end. Anyway, I hope she is doing alright and her daughter and her have started a new life away from all White Nationalists. I will always be here for her if she ever needs anything, if she has totally turned her back on White Nationalism. I am willing to help any woman and child who sees the truth about White Nationalism and wants out.
Women and children are deceived into thinking that White Nationalism is being a true American Patriot, but they don’t understand because they are brainwashed zombies that working to destroy your own government is treason and that it is just another lie that White Nationalist men tell about the Jews taking over our government and that as a true American patriot one has to work with the likes of the President of Iran to free Americans from the evil government who is ran by Jews. I was always amazed that I was the only one who could make the connection between truth and lies. Maybe it is because I have been political since the day of my birth.
White Nationalists have their women so brainwashed that they say nothing as their men plan to overthrow our own government. Wishing to see your own nation destroyed is treason. To even talk to heads of foregin governments about America who have stated they seek our destruction is treason. Who is David Duke and his White Nationalist friends to talk to leaders such as the President of Iran about America? He is a traitor in my eyes and has given up the right to be an American citizen, but lucky for him I don’t have the power to strip away his citizenship and tell him if he loves Iran so much, he should go and live there.
David Duke is a dangerous man because of the powerful friends he has in foreign countries. He is smart, charming, and he is able to make friends. The question is how long can he keep his friends before they see the truth and then start fighting him. Will the South that has supported him for so many years still support him, now that they see he really doesn’t care about what is happening in LA and the oil spill. Did David Duke speak out on what is happening there? NO, he would rather attack women and Jews. Hopefully White Southern men are starting to see through him and will reject him the next time he runs for political office.
White Nationalists’ hatred for White women who don’t fit into some box is disturbing. They don’t like women who work, Gods forbid she wants to pursue anything other than being a housewife and breeder. They don’t like women who look a certain way. If they see a photo of a woman happy, enjoying herself, having a good time with friends, she’s automatically a junkie nigger-lover. If she’s wearing something they don’t like, if she has tattoos, etc., she gets ripped apart for that, too.
Fuck ‘em.
I apologize if you don’t want to post this because of the foul language, I am just very angry. I see the truth, I’m just having a hard time separating that from my WN beliefs.
My dear friend,
You must know by now that I am always here for you and Chris. There isn’t anything you could do or say to change that. Once someone comes into my heart they stay forever.
I am glad you see the truth. I hope and pray that you have the strength to walk away and stay away this time. White Nationalism will never be what you want it to be. It’s end is only misery.
It is not easy to leave it behind because of the friendships one has made and feeling if you leave that they will no longer be your friend. It is true, that if you leave your relationship will not be the same because you no longer are one of them. You are lucky in that you have friends who love you who are not White Nationalist and who love you as you are and let you march to your own marching band if you please. You are back in New York which I know is something that you wanted.
I talked to a mutal friend of ours the other day and I know she shares your frustration. We both are here for you my friend.
I don’t know if there is a way for you to be happy in White Nationalism. Yes, you have their beliefs, but you also want more out of life than being the perfect White Nationalist woman and mother. It is not easy being us sometimes because we don’t march to the same drummer as everyone else. We are our own people. I was always the round peg that they would try to fit into a square hole. Doesn’t fit. You are that same round peg and no matter how many times you try and fit into the square hole of White Nationalism you never well; and each time will end in frustration. You are going to have to find a way to move forward and not look back.
It is sometimes hard to move forward in life and let go. Years ago when I was still living in Marshfield, MA everyone was telling me to let go of trying to do the morally right thing regarding someone I thought was a friend. It was very hard for me to let go, and even though I have done a better job I still haven’t totally let go and am always open for us to talk things out as two Catholics. Why, did I have such a hard time of letting this friendship end the way it did? Because as a Catholic I knew that I couldn’t give up trying to do the right thing and trying to make sure the truth came out and the right thing done. This person even though a Catholic didn’t understand the truth and no matter how hard I tried to make him understand that I deep down inside because of the PTSD that I am emotionally still a little girl that is still looking for help to sort things out and fulfill my duty as a Political Daughter of the American Revolution. He didn’t want to understand and allowed his pride and selfishness close his eyes to the truth and therefore the abuse and suffering continued and the PTSD got worst. As with you this person will always have a place in my heart and I will always be here as his Catholic sister praying and hoping that someday he will face the truth and at least admit to himself that he was wrong not to help me that day in the barn.
Maybe it is time for you to find out for yourself what it is that you believe. Take the time and really listen to all different sides and think about what you hear and what you see. Don’t be afraid to listen and even read things you don’t agree with for now, but keep an open mind. That is what I started doing years ago when I started to listen to real progressive media. There are still alot of things that at this point we agree to disagree with and that is ok. Inspite of it all, I have come to realize that Progressives are honorable people who have a deep love for this nation. There are Conservatives who also have a deep love for this nation and are honorable people too. There are Progressives, Conservatives, etc who are scum who lie and who choose to not take the moral highroad in life. Make your own mind up on the issues. It doesn’t matter how long it takes you to come to your conclusion, but the important thing is not what conclusion you come to, but that you thought things out and came to your own conclusion on things and not just believing something because you are told to believe it or else.
Maybe you will find that happy medium and you will start your own brand of White Nationalism? Maybe you will leave it all behind and come to a different political view? But this putting one foot in the boat and keeping one foot on the dock is not going to help you get anywhere, because at some point you will end up in the water.
I love you my friend. Be happy!!! I have missed your comments and hope you will be active here.
Chrisy
dear Saturnia,
Why did Kevin marry someone like Elisha who had both tattoos and was “ripped” (as you say) ??? also………… i do believe that she got one or two tattoos during the marriage also…. so surly what you are saying must not be true…. also from what i know they where a very happy couple!
Anonymous,
I want to comment on your post. Saturnia, I am sure will answer your questions.
Just want to remain all of us that I do want us to show respect to each other and talk to each other and not at each other. Anonymous, if you are going to post here, which I hope you do, I hope you will follow those few simple rules. We are all human beings here and we will treat each other as human beings, even if we don’t like them, agree with them, or whatever personal problem we have with them. Thank you.
Anonymous, I don’t know who you are and that is ok. You might even know Kevin and Elisha in person like I did and even considered them friends like did. I really got to know Elisha at the 2005 Euro and she became my friend.
As with everyone else who has entered my heart in friendship I still love her and care about her and her daugther. Please don’t let his be gossip told or rehash the accustations. I want Elisha to move on and leave the nightmare of White Nationalism behind her. Like Saturnia and other friends I made I want her to be happy and find all the blessings of life.
Kevin, to me is just another White Nationalist leader who in reality wasn’t what he presented to the world. What he did, is typical of what life is like for many pretty little girls in this country.
Things haven’t changed that much since I was a little girl except that it is more widespread. Dirty old men making the lives of little girls HELL just because they are pretty. I used food to build my wall to keep the dirty old men away. Everytime I allowed myself to loose the weight and become thin something terrible would happen to me and I would gain weight again to keep the evil men away. The bad thing about that plan is that it not only kept the bad men away it kept a nice Catholic guy away that I would have wanted to spend time with and marry.
You men have no idea of what hell it is to be forced to spend time, date, and have sexual relations with someone who is forcing by threating you and or your family. That if you refuse you or they will be killed, and today they don’t just rape the girl many times they kill her. I have had drugs put into my soft drinks, raped at knifepoint at school by a student, and having lies spread about me that are untrue, all because I was born a girl child.
Kevin served his time and is free. He will continue doing what he is doing as I do not think he will give up his White Nationalist beliefs. He will find someway to work himself back into the Cause. He will redeem himself and once again he will be writing to bring new blood to the Cause.
We all make mistakes. Every single one of us make mistakes. Elisha doesn’t need judgment; she needs help!!!!!! She might even suffer from PTSD as many women do. Since my blog is focused more on women and children as I want us to have a safe place to heal, talk, and sort things out; I will not allow you to gossip about Elisha. So please do not let this discussion between you and Saturnia turn into mud slinging contest.
Thank you.
Chrisy
“dear Saturnia,
Why did Kevin marry someone like Elisha who had both tattoos and was “ripped” (as you say) ??? also………… i do believe that she got one or two tattoos during the marriage also…. so surly what you are saying must not be true…. also from what i know they where a very happy couple!”
Because there are a few guys that don’t have a problem with it. I met my husband on SF, he didn’t have a problem with how I was/am. Of course, WN guys like him are rare gems. Not everyone has to like tattoos, but a simple, “Nah, I don’t care for tattoos on a girl” will do, not all the remarks trashing girls with tattoos. Likewise, if someone wants a Stepford wife, simply find a woman like that, don’t be bitter that all White women don’t fit into that mold. If someone wants to be a certain way, shut up and go do it, don’t look down on us who aren’t.
Why did Kevin marry Elisha, I don’t have a real answer for that. Obviously, they felt something for each other. Were the happy? When I saw them, they seemed it. I don’t know of all the details that led to their splitting up, and I’m not going to believe what I read on a forum.
All I know is, I don’t know of any group of people that hate White women more than White Nationalists.
Saturnia
“All I know is, I don’t know of any group of people that hate White women more than White Nationalists.”
A sad comment, it illustrates to me that indeed ‘all you know’ is incorrect.
There are many groups that hate women and in particular white women, off hand I can think of black rappers who constantly degrade white women, I can think of muslims and jews who treat their women with contempt and have a purely patriarchal understanding of rights. I can think of many churches who negate the roles off women to the back benches and see them purely as breeding machines and seek to subjugate them to the ‘will of god’.
Your own government does little for women and has yet to actively offer an civil liberty without consequence.
Pick up any magazine, newspaper or tabloid and you can page to see how women are degraded, so before you cast the stone upon WN it might be prudent that you first educate yourself to the truths in your own glass house.
There are many in WN who do not subscribe to the opinions you seem to know so little about, I do concede that there are those who do seek to undermine the role of women within our movement. Any group has its flaws, any religion has its flaws, WN is not perfect and has never made the claim that we have all the answers. We define ourselves according to race, culture and the common good of our cause. Anything else that hampers these objectives, like religion, theosophy, feminism, patriarchal ism, supremacy, these deflect us from our goals. We should be rejecting these things outright, no person that seeks to subjugate a white woman can be a WN at heart. They have an agenda which does not reflect the core values we subscribe to.
I find it hard to believe that a woman who claims to be WN and a SF member could make such a narrow minded generalized sweeping statement.
The fact that you are ‘anonymus’, speaks volumes, on SF you’d be labelled a TROLL!!
Garfield,
Consider this a warning. You are skating on thin ice with your comments to Saturnia. She is not a troll, and has been involved with real life White Nationalism for years. She does know what she talks about. You on the other hand, don’t seem to care enough about White women to really listen to what we are saying with an open mind.
If your next post contains what I consider an attack on Saturnia’s character I will not approve it.
There are a lot of White Nationalists who do not show true respect for White woman. That is a truth. There are a lot of women involved in White Nationalism who have PTSD, and that is another truth.
Maybe South Africa is different than the States, but in the States WN men have very little real respect for women as a whole and though their are a few good men they are few and far between.
It is to bad that White Nationalist men are in denial and refuse to take an honest look at how White women are treated by White Nationalist men.
That’s fine, I expect attacks on my character, I expect accusations of being a troll. The ones who really know me and know what I’m talking about don’t take it as anything personal against them. Hell, the WN guys I’m friends with agree with my ranting, they’re sick of all the nonsense, they and a few other good WN guys are trying to put a stop to it. Good luck, I tell them, lol.
I can understand how someone who didn’t know what was going on would take it that way, though. Oh well. It’s my life, it’s how I feel and see it, and where else is anyone going to attack me but on the Internet?
“You on the other hand, don’t seem to care enough about White women to really listen to what we are saying with an open mind.”
Ah, your words strike to the heart. Unfortunately as you well know I value the women in my life! Its just sad you don’t value your own equally.
I’ll pass your blog by for a while.
I do value White Men. I love real White men!!!!!
You do not know Saturnia in real life. I do. You are not from the States and you don’t know American White Nationalists in real life or what really goes on here, do you? South Africa is different than the States. Yes, you value your wife and daughter. That is great for you, why do you assume that all American White Nationalists value and treat women as you do? That is a mistake.
Yes, my friend can speak for herself which she will. This is my blog and I have a few simple rules. I found your tone with Saturnia rude and I was reminding you that if you continued on the same path, that I would not approve your posts. You are the one who brought the insults.
If you want to take a break go ahead. The choice is yours.
” Oh well. It’s my life, it’s how I feel and see it, and where else is anyone going to attack me but on the Internet?” (Saturnia)
Yes, it is your life and it is how you feel and see things. You have a right to your thoughts and feelings. Don’t let anyone try and tell you that your feelings as a woman don’t count.
One thing to remember about Garfield is he is not American, but South African. Garfield is making the assumption that American White Nationalists treat their women the way that Garfield treats his wife and daughter. Garfield is a passionate White Nationalist and reacted when he thought we were attacking “White Men”.
The problem is that like many White Nationalists they feel that any attack against White Nationalism and White Nationalists is an attack on White people. You and I know that is a LIE, People are being brainwashed with anti white nationalism = anti white that is pushed into their thougthts. I love White people and my race. I just oppose White Nationalism and White Nationalist men who have shown time and time again their disrespect for White women. They add to that disrespect by not listening to what we are trying to say.
Yes, I know many of the same men you are talking about and yes, they do understand what we are saying about the disrespect of white women. Some of those people have been involved with the White Nationalist Cause for years. They know.
Garfield is a good guy inspite of being a White Nationalist. LOL He fights for the environment. He is a good husband and father.
All of us have our faults. I just want us all to remember that we are adults and that we talk to each other with respect. I don’t want the attacks, drama, and all the other crap ones finds on White Nationalist forums.
The truth is very hard for people to accept. Maybe Garfield once he has time to think about things will realize that he shouldn’t have attacked you like he did.
Love
Chrisy
“Garfield is a good guy inspite of being a White Nationalist. LOL He fights for the environment. He is a good husband and father.”
Yes, I know this, but this has nothing to do with him, or men like him. He is not all men, all men are not him, nor are all White men movement-tards.
How about all of the attacks on White women we see in WNist circles? They tell us WNist women not to take it as attacks against us because they’re only talking about mainstream women, blah, blah, blah, even when they blatantly say, “women.” Well, likewise, not everyone should take my rants as something against them. Anti-psycho misogynist movement-tard is not the same as anti-White men, as not all men are one or the other.
You make some very good points. It is like what is ok for the rooster is not alright for the hen, lol. I am so thankful that I am out of that.
Hope you have a good day. We go to our Sunday lunch at cracker barrel later with some of my mom’s friends. I usually get their fried chicken as it is really good.
“The truth is very hard for people to accept. Maybe Garfield once he has time to think about things will realize that he shouldn’t have attacked you like he did.”
Had you edited the post as I requested, you know it was no attack. But its neither here nor there really. I know what I meant, end of story.
I did edit the post and change the name as you requested and yes, it was an attack on my friend.
from comment 11
Garfield Says:
Saturnia
You asked the name to be changed to Saturnia and that is what I did, so quit making excuses and start being a man who has the guts to admit that you were rude. I can’t stand men who don’t have the courage to say ” I WAS WRONG”. I don’t respect nor submit to MEN WHO BECAUSE OF THEIR FALSE PRIDE, won’t admit they were wrong and try and make things right.
You didn’t like the fact that a White Nationalist woman dared to come on here and show her true feelings about women find in dealing with many AMERICAN White Nationalists. We have a right as women to share our feelings and thoughts about men. If you hadn’t gone off on one of your temper tantrums you might have realized that us women talking is no differnet than your men talking about women.
You are not American nor do you live in America so you don’t know in real life what happens here or how women are treated. Of course you would take the word of your White Nationalist internet brother than ever dare to listen to what AMERICAN women have to say regarding the treatment of women within the so called Cause.
I am sure like everything else you will find some way to justify your being rude to women just because you don’t agree with them.
REAL MEN Garfield KNOW they have to earn the respect of women and can’t DEMAND it as you White Nationalist MEN seem to think. Any woman who dares to stand up and say I won’t submit or love you unconditionally until you prove you are worthy of my gift of unconditonal love and submission; is attacked as being anti White men and in some cases being a race traitor. It is you are ursurping your place as a woman. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard I was ursurping my place as a woman.
There were very FEW REAL MEN I met who are White Nationalists. Most DEMANDED RESPECT but were not willing to EARN the respect that they crave so much.
Now it is the end of the story and the subject is closed.