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Can we Change Things?
July 6, 2009, 7:15 pm
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I was doing my morning trolling on Stormfront and I came upon a very interesting post.  I think I am going write about this on my blog because the comment on Stormfront is from a Democrat who has left the Democratic party because he doesn’t think the party cares about White people.  My first thought after reading his comment was I am sure the Democratic party is not unhappy with loosing you as you are now joining a White Nationalist site and allowing yourself to be brainwashed to believe what White Nationalists believe and will join them in the fight to gain control of this country.  My second thought was another Liberal lost because they are so frustrated by what they see going on within the two political parties, our government, and feeling that your average American is not being heard, and that makes me want to weep in sorrow.

This is a part of this guy’s comment:  “First, at what point do whites as a whole leave the Democratic party? So many of us really can’t be so stupid as to continue to support a platform that actively discriminates against us to get votes from hoards of degenerate blacks and hispanics? I just can’t see whites continuing to support Dems a whole lot longer. With a sneaky racist in the WH and his nomination of an overt, anti-white bigot to the SCOTUS, I’ve hit my breaking point. And I imagine a many other whites have also. I’m absolutely done with anyone or anything remotely left-of-center for the rest of my life.

I guess I see two things happening – a watered down democratic party that will lose it’s ability to discriminate against whites for fear of becoming irrelevant, or a democratic party that will be made up of mostly blacks/hispanics, and a few self-loathing whites, that will look like a combination of Detroit’s city council and Mexican slums.” (EMR 76, Stormfront, White exodus from the Democratic party?, today(7/6/2009))

Then the other Liberals who have become White Nationalists welcome him, and offer their hands of friendship and encouragement.  I see this time and time again.  When I see another Liberal become so disillusioned with our political system that they feel like the only place for them is to get involved with White Nationalists, I worry that White Nationalists could actually win.  They are growing in numbers while many Liberals don’t want to face the truth, that we have got to take this country back from the powerful and elite who control and have corrupted our government of the people for the people; if we are going to have any chance of defeating the White Nationalist message that is growing like a cancer and is destroying this nation. 

We have working White people who are loosing everything.  Their jobs, their houses, their medical insurance.  They are angry and frustrated.  They can’t seem to remember that we have working Americans of all races who are suffering.  It isn’t a racial problem, but an economic problem.  Hitler was able to rise to power because of the terrible economic problem Germany was facing.  At this point I don’t see any real solutions from those in government.  People are loosing faith, they feel like every word out of President Obama and the other Politicians is a lie.  Somehow our government is going to have to restore the trust in the American people who are tired of being lied to, seeing the rich and powerful getting their bail outs and the working man and woman still hurting and getting the short end of the stick, no health care, no decent job to support themselves and their families, and not being able to get a decent education.

I don’t know what the answer is, but if we can’t find someway to fix the broken system, than White Nationalism will continue to grow and gain power.

I am sorry to vent, but I just feel angry that another Liberal Democrat has come to the point in his life that he is so discouraged with everything that he is even willing to consider that White Nationalism is the answer to fix our nation’s problems.

EMR76 is a white man in his 30’s who much like my nephew wasn’t raised to hate anyone.  I would guess from his post that like my nephew he received a good education and was a Progressive in his thinking.  He was one of us.  Why would someone who knows the truth and lives by good moral values one day decides to join a White Nationalist forum and begins the program to become a White Nationalist who now will parrot the words of hate toward others who are different than him?

I left the Democratic party last Fall.  I didn’t leave for the same reasons that this young man left.  I left to join the Green party.  I felt the Green party best reflected my views as a Liberal Progressive because of their views on the environment and social justice.  The Democratic party in my view is corrupted by the large amount of money given by large corporations.  The two parties of Democrat and Republican are two faces of the same corporate party.

I believe our best hope is to get off the two party merry go around and start a real Progressive party who will be a real voice for the people.  No more lesser of two evils, but standing up and saying we are going to make our government give an accounting for their actions and words, and make them pay the price for their crimes, lies, and subversion of justice and truth.

I also know what it is like to be so frustrated and angry that you think that White Nationalism appears to be the truth when we are surrounded with lies and corruption.  White Nationalism is a cult.  Like Jim Jones and Jonestown was a cult that sucked people in.  They reached out to the lonely, hurting, lost, and angry in the world.  They offered them a home, friendship, and answers.  In the beginning they were happy and they thought they had found what they had been search for, but after awhile the truth came out and they realized that they were on the path to Hell.

I am just one woman and I don’t know what the answer is but I do know that the American people are frustrated, angry, and have lost respect and trust in our government because of all the lies, corruption, and the subversion of our system of government for the corporate elite. 

I know we need real election reform to give all political parties a level playing field, being allowed into debate, and to have real town halls meetings (not the fake ones like they have today) and all media having to give free air time to all candidates (even third parties) to get their message out.  No longer can we have money play the role of subverting our government.

We need to start making those in government who lie, steal, cheat, and break any Laws pay the price as if they were your average Joe/Jane citizen.  No more one system for the rich and powerful and another for the average Joe/Jane.

I hope and pray that it is not to late to save this nation.

Chirstine Cosser


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White Nationalism is the answer to fix our nation’s problems.

RAHOWA!!!!
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My comment:

You really have drank to much of the White Nationalist koolaide, if you believe White Nationalists have the brains and courage to solve anything. You guys can’t even control your women without hitting them and making them live totally under your thumb.

You have forgotten the old Roman belief if a man can’t control his woman than he can’t lead men. A real man knows how to handle a woman without having to beat her into submission, you White Nationalists are just little boys who pretend to be men.

You White Nationalist men are sorry excuses for men, so forgive me if I am sitting here laughing my head off with your suggestion that White Nationalism is the answer to solve the problems we are facing.

Comment by White Power World Wide

“I am just one woman and I don’t know what the answer is but I do know that the American people are frustrated, angry, and have lost respect and trust in our government because of all the lies, corruption, and the subversion of our system of government for the corporate elite.”

Spoken like a true WN
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My Comment:

More delusions I see my White Nationalist Stalker. Stalker is someone who continue to harrass, pursue, etc someone who doesn’t want his attention. I have made it clear that you are not welcome here, so therefore you are stalking me.

A white nationalist doesn’t use the word corporate elite, but blames everything on the Jew, Black, Non White, women, etc. A Progressive knows the the root of the problem is the large multi national corporations. I know you guys are stupid, but do you see the difference?

Actually my words are spoken like a Progressive. I know many Liberals/Progressives and fellow members of the Green party that are feeling and asking the same questions.

Why don’t you go back to your Stormfront White Nationalist forum with all the other White Nationalist/neo nazi/skinheads/racialists or whatever names you are calling yourselves these days.

You can whine to your fellow nazis about how you are failing in bringing me into submission or teaching me a lesson for daring to stand up and fight.

I am sorry, if I am not talking all sweet and soft to you with the moonlight and roses, but I am saving that for a man who earns my respect,trust and love because he is a real man and not a White Nationalist little boy who has to abuse women to feel like a man.

Comment by White Power World Wide

I used to be a very strong liberal Democrat. Then the scales fell from my eyes. Here’s a key insight for you. The Democratic party (and Liberals in general) is a loose coalition of groups that have one common enemy. One group that they blame for most of the world’s problems. I happen to be a member of that group.

Think about it:

1. Feminists base their ENTIRE belief system on the assumption that White Men have oppressed women (and all vulnerable groups) throughout all known history. That’s an astoundingly heinous accusation, and it’s simply not true. Based on this conveniently self serving ideology, Feminists demand, and take without thanks, all kinds of special treatment as their just due.
2. Blacks blame White Men for their ancestor’s slavery. They blame White Men for almost all of their problems. Blacks also demand special treatment as their just due, despite the fact that most Americans had nothing to do with slavery.
3. Hispanics feel that White Men stole their native lands in the US Southwest. This despite the fact that Mexicans are not native whatsover to the US Southwest. Radical Hispanics want the US Southwest as their due.
4. Gays feel that White Men are congenitally violent towards gays, a condition that has existed for most of history. Gays also want to force themselves into Marriage, a special bond between men and women which has existed since time immemorial. Gays want their pound of flesh from White Heterosexual Men.
5. Atheists feel that religious White Men are to blame for most of the violence perpetrated in the Western World over the last 2000 years. Atheists want their spiritual viewpoints to be the only ones taught in any school, and go to extreme lengths to prevent those of religious conviction to express their views in public forums.
6. Here’s the big one. Jews have their antennae tuned for anti-semitism from any source, but their threat sensors are primarily focused on males of Northern European descent. Most Jews claim to be White when they find it convenient. However, honest Jews will admit they are blessed by God as a distinctly superior race, on a level above everyone else. Their little hearts draw considerable comfort and soft warm fuzzy feelings from that belief. Jews have been the primary enablers behind most of the Liberal agenda. Whether it’s the NAACP, the ACLU, the Civil Rights movement, the attacks on Christianity, Communism, integration. You name it, they’re present in inordinate numbers.

Frankly, I really wouldn’t care that much what these various groups happen to think of my group. I don’t feel I have any moral right to be critical of these other groups. The problem is that we’re on the verge of enormous changes in Western Society. Changes caused by the aforementioned groups. Changes that are intended to make Whites disappear. That’s where I draw the line.

You know, Whites have a lot of justification for their anger. The Democratic/Liberal (D/L) groups have been mercilessly hammering traditional White society for nearly 100 years. It’s almost impossible for men to support their wives and families on a single income. You can chalk that up to relentless feminist/liberal political activity. American inner cities are a stinking morass of violence and drugs. Chalk that up to the Liberal Civil Rights movement. American schools are a miscengenated mess, advocating all kinds of sexual and drug activity. Chalk that up to the Jewish drive to integrate US schools. (read up on who was behind the Brown supreme court decision in 1954). Illegal immigration is totally out of control. Chalk that up to D/Ls who give credibility to organizations like La Raza, etc…

Sure, conservatives and Republicans are misguided. But D/Ls need to take a good hard look in the mirror. The blame for a huge amount of present day societal problems rests squarely on liberals. Time to accept some responsibility…

~~ One steamed White Male.

Comment by vext

Vext, I am not going to have time to reply to all your comment as I am going to have to get ready for work in a few. I did want to let you know I posted your comment.

From your comment I can feel your anger. The problem with anger and believe me I know is that it only hurts us and is very self destructive.

In your comment you mention traditional religion being attacked. I am Roman Catholic myself and I hold strong traditional values. I believe the man is the head of the household. I believe as a woman that I am the heart of the home. I am happy with the traditonal role model of woman, as long as I am respected for the work that I do as a helpmate and part of the team. I don’t want to be with a man who abuses me or looks at me not as a human being but as a slave.

There are woman who want more out of life. Shouldn’t they be allowed to follow and pursue their goals in life. Why do they have to give up their dream of let’s say being a doctor, or a professor of learning at a college, or being an United States Senator because they happen to be born women?

I will even agree with you in one small point that many in the Feminist movement have forgotten that Woman’s Rights is the reason why we were fighting. The right for women to vote, to be able to receive a good education, or to get equal pay for the same job. Many of those rights are ours but we are still working on some. I do not like it when Feminists bash men and blame White men for all the problems women face. I am one White women who love White men, and I want to see you guys succeed at achieving whatever goals you set for yourself and whatever dreams you decide to pursue. At the same time I would hope you as a White Man would value the efforts that I as a White Woman do also in bringing our goals and dreams into reality.

I need to get ready for work now, so I will address another part of your comment.

I just wanted to say one common thread I do see on White Nationalist/Right Wing conservative boards is that there is a lot of women bashing. Do you really think bashing women is productive? Aren’t you guys doing the very same thing that you are accusing Feminists of doing?

We men and women need to value each other and work together to solve the many problems of the world. We each of a role to play. Please don’t put women into a box and say because you are a woman you can’t do this.

May I ask you what you do beleive now? You say you are no longer Progressive, so how would you describe yourself?

Comment by chrisy58

I appreciate your openness to diverse viewpoints.

You mention anger, but it has never been a compelling experience in my life. I’m more what you would call “mighty concerned.”

Regarding freedom for women. Of course women should be free to pursue their interests. However they need to earn their stripes. And despite all the propaganda about Feminism being a win-win situation for men, the reality is that most female advancement, as well as black, gay, hispanic advancement… comes at the expense of white men. I have read many articles by black, gay, hispanic, and feminist activists complaining about “white male privilege” and advocating that the government do everything in its power to bring white men down. Sotomayor and her callous disregard for the white firefighters – specifically because they were white – is but a small example. How can anyone not understand that Sotomayor and her entire milieu are overwhelmingly negative for white men. Her advancement brings absolutely nothing positive for white men. Zero, zip, zilch, nada.

Regarding WN men as women abusers. I have perused several WN boards and don’t find any woman bashing. The opposite is the case. I find lots of women freely expressing strong pro WN views… without any censure or negative comments from men. Correct me if I’m wrong.

I believe that traditional Western Europeans are facing a disaster of apocalyptic proportions. It is the result of several generations of focused social engineering by outside groups who are primordially afraid of traditional European peoples.

Men are always the primary defense of a society. As I mentioned before, the Liberal/Democratic community is a loose coalition with one overriding belief, that white men are the fundamental problem of society. Their attacks on white men serve as a wrecking ball to level traditional society.

The health of any organism can be judged by one simple indicator: its ability to produce enough healthy offspring to maintain the population. This applies to plants, animals, humans, and societies. By that standard, modern societies based on progressive liberal ideas are extremely toxic to reproduction, and I maintain, an utter failure.

White women need to understand that their future, and the future of their children, is inextricably tied to white men. White women enjoy a lifestyle in the modern world that is above anything even dreamed of in the past. That status is entirely due to the efforts of white men. Blacks, Hispanics, gays, Feminists, have contributed very little to developing or maintaining that lofty lifestyle, despite all their noisy activism. I will not deny the tremendous artistic and aesthetic contributions of gays in history, but those have been done within the context of society, not with revolutionary intent..

When white women put the interests of outside groups above those of their own men, they are attacking their own heritage. When will white women finally realize that they already have the best men in the world, and actively support them?

I rest my case. Thanks for the opportunity to present an alternate view!

Comment by vext

Vext,

My response to your statement of spending a lot of time on White Nationalist boards and never seeing women bashing is unbelievable. I see it all the time. Women who have been involved in WN can verify what I am saying about the comments. Many women are driven away from the so called Cause because of the attitude that prevails within White Nationalism.

Again I have to make the statement that not all White Nationalist men abuse their women, but a lot do. The guys who don’t either remind silent or they do try and stop in but the result is that nothing changes over the years.

You are also talking to someone who lived with the CI/White Nationalist Patriot who abused me. vicki is not the first woman to die at the hands of her White Nationalist boyfriend/husband. I am afraid she won’t be the last.

Why does their have to be one standard of it is ok for White Nationalist men to bash women, but if a woman dares to defend her sex from such attacks, or wants to go to college to get a good education so she is educated, or wants to have a part time job outside the home, to be able to vote, or drive a car, she is called an evil feminist who wants to destroy White manhood.

Check out the WN boards and you find posts about how women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because women’s voting has caused all the problems this country is facing because women tend to be more Liberal than men. Even women will say women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

I don’t like women bashing men and I don’t like men bashing women. Why can’t we realize that men and women working together as a team can overcome any problem or struggle facing us, and if we have the courage and strength to fight the battle that must be fought to overcome the evil and corruption than we will win the victory. Children need to see men and women working together as one team.

A real man knows he has to earn the respect, trust and love of a woman before she submits to him. Many men today don’t understand that concept like the men of my grandfather’s generation who showed the woman that he desired that he was man enough to handle her. Men today get mad at me when I say that a man as to earn the women’s unconditional love and submission. You can’t just demand it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A real man doesn’t have to beat a woman into submission. A real man knows how to handle a woman with love so that she wants to love you unconditionaly and submit to you.

Yes, maybe both genders are confused about what their role should be. I will be the first one to admit that some women have forgotten to let the man be the man. I have always been very traditonal in my beliefs and values. Yet, many men don’t want the traditonal woman who will be a good helpmate and help him achieve his goals by doing what needs to be done with a smile on her face and a happy heart. Many men want the modern women who doesn’t want a traditonal role in life. They want the career women and those of us who don’t have the fancy career are not valued. They see us as loosers because we feel running a good home and making sure that everyone in that home has everything they need, is happy, and loved is not a real job. For those who wonder if taking care of a family and home is a real job, it is a real job. Do you know how many times I heard that men only wanted women who were high powered career women and not one who holds traditional views.

The reality was that they would choose the career woman and then complain to the nice girl about how so and so doesn’t didn’t want to be the traditonal wife and mother, yet, they knew when they starting dating that woman that she didn’t hold those values and rejected the woman who shared their values because she didn’t have the high paying career. It is like the girl who falls for the bad boy who is exciting and she thinks she can change only to find out afterward that he isn’t going to change and gets her heart broken that she would have been better to choose the nice guy who is stable and she can depend on.

So if you really had your choice between a nice traditional Catholic Girl who knew how to make a happy home or your choice of a modern career women who is on her path to be CEO of a company who would you really choose. You might say the nice Catholic girl, but my reality is that you would choose the smart, high powered career women and think that us nice Catholic girls were not as good because we didn’t have the high paying job. That is my reality.

You are welcome to post here.

Comment by chrisy58

“The reality was that they would choose the career woman and then complain to the nice girl about how so and so doesn’t didn’t want to be the traditonal wife and mother, yet, they knew when they starting dating that woman that she didn’t hold those values and rejected the woman who shared their values because she didn’t have the high paying career.”

The thing is, most men don’t care if a woman has a “career,” yet, the extra income that comes from a woman working merely releases from of the burden off the men from paying for everything, so they can buy their own toys. Going from things I’ve heard people say, when most modern men say they want a “traditional” woman, it usually means she has to do all the work at home, on top of that extra perk of working outside of the home for the extra cash. This woman I know, her husband actually told her, “Women should work outside of the home, and do all of the cooking and housework, too.” They think “traditional” means cooking, taking care of the house, and waiting on your man hand and foot, they don’t take everything else that comes with it into consideration.

Comment by Saturnia

You bring up a really good point.

Comment by chrisy58

I know this is about whites but I wanted to comment. You mentioned that white liberals who escape the dems for WN forget that everyone is suffering. I’m black and have long been fed up with the dems and liberals in general. Liberal thought keeps blacks in a state of perpetual victimhood never to really advance.Liberal blacks (Jesse, Al, etc) push victimhood and liberal whites fall for it. There are many other reasons why I can no longer stomach dems. The problem is, I’m having trouble finding a place to go.

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