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 David Duke was arrested few minutes ago in Prague!DUKE IS FREE!
Cops arrested former member of KKK
On Friday afternoon cops arrested in Prague’s restaurant “Black Eagle” former Ku Klux Klan boss David Duke. They transported him to interrogation for suspicion that he denied and approved Nazi crimes, for this crime in Czech Republic he can be condemned up to 3 years. “Mr Duke was arrested after previous approval state deputy for suspicion for committed crime of supporting and promoting movements which are try to suppress human rights and freedoms” told speaker of Prague cops Jan Mikulovsky. According to newspaper Pravo, reason for arresting is holocaust denial. Police arrested American right after redactor of Pravo made interview with him. On the place of cop’s strike was about 30 cops in masks, which transported Duke away. “I don’t afraid being arrested, it was never happened in any Europe country before,” told Duke to Pravo 15 minutes before cops arrested him. Duke’s visit is organized by Filip Vavra, which is suspect to be connected to neonazi National Resistance. American came to make two lecture – at Saturday in Prague’s center and at Sunday in Brno. He came also to promote his book My Awakening freshly published in Czech. Other articles: Updates (updated news from various Czech sources): 04-24-2009 07:09 PM CET 04-24-2009 09:40 PM CET 04-24-2009 09:52 PM CET 04-24-2009 10:14 PM CET 04-24-2009 10:22 PM CET 04-25-2009 06:09 AM CET 04-25-2009 08:00 AM CET Mr. Vavra which invites Duke to Czech is planing organize demonstration on Sunday before Ministry of Internal Affairs. Today came to police station where is Duke kept support him about 20 sympathizes. They were chanting slogans like “Free Duke!” or “Duke, we are with you!” Because of them was later former KKK member taken away from the station by side entrance. They were afraid of escort security, said police speaker Mikulovsky. 04-25-2009 09:04 AM CET Duke’s attorney Mrs. Slamova told, that Immigration and Citizenship Police made out exit visa to Duke and until midnight local time he had to leave Czech. She criticize approach of authorities and marked the Duke remains in Czech prosecuted and he should has right to read official files, contact his advocates and attend another tasks of criminal proceedings. She wants also submit complain against procedure during police action.
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04-25-2009 09:04 AM CET Duke’s attorney Mrs. Slamova told, that Immigration and Citizenship Police made out exit visa to Duke and until midnight local time he has to leave Czech Republic. She criticize approach of authorities and marked the Duke remains in Czech prosecuted and he should has right to read official files, contact his advocates and attend another tasks of criminal proceedings. She wants also submit complain against procedure during police action. |
I know that the members on SF are very upset over this, as I could tell by reading their posts. They seem very surprised at this happening, but they must have known that someday this could happen to him.
Europe is not the United States. They don’t have the Bill of Rights which includes free speech and free thought. I know that the past few years that our Constitution has been stripped away, but we still have more free speech here than in other nations around the world. The things that David Duke can say here in the United States and get away with because of our Constitution; he can’t get away with saying in Europe.
David Duke is not a stupid man, and I believe he knew the risk he was taking and decided to go ahead anyway because he really believes in what he is doing and is willing to face arrest. Thgugh from the article that is quoted it does seem like he was careless in that he didn’t think it was going to happen to him. It was like his attitude is “it isn’t going to happen to me”, when he should have taken the risk into consideration. Maybe David Duke isn’t as smart as I think he is?
I know David Duke would not like me saying this, but Martin Luther King Jr wrote in his letter from prison that if one truly believes in what they are fighting for that they have to be willing to go to prison for their belief. While Martin Luther King Jr. belived in Civil Rights and was willing to break the unjust laws in his mind and he also know that he must be willing to pay the price if arrested. He wasn’t careless and said even though I am breaking this unjust Law in his mind they aren’t going to arrest me which is what is being said about David Duke, but he knew that he would be arrested before hand for breaking this unjust Law and was willing to pay that price because he believed so strongly in Civil Rights.
David Duke believes that he is right. If he truly believes that than he must and should be willing to pay the price if he is arrested for breaking the law that he feels in his own mind is unjust. One must have moral strength to stand for what they believe and fight for what they believe. That is what seperates the men from the boys and the women from the girls. Is David Duke a man or a boy?
I would expect that if David Duke is a real man that he will not whine and say poor me, I was arrested and it was so unfair. If he is a real man he is going to take the attitude of Martin Luther King and say I knew I was breaking the Law and I could be arrested, but I believed so strongly in my principles that I was willing to do the jail time.
I can respect a man who is willing to be arrested for his moral prinicples and takes it like a real man and doesn’t whine and cry about it. Even if I don’t agree with the man or think he is correct in his beliefs I can respect him, if like Martin Luther King he believes in something so strongly that he is willing to pay the price for doing what he believes he must do as a man. I may not be explaining this very well.
Even though I have met David Duke a couple of times I can’t say I know who the real David Duke is. I still am searching for that answer. Reading his book “MY AWAKENING” I thought he was the kind of man who inspite of his White Nationalist views was someone who believed in honest debate of the ideas. Who was a man of honor in his own way. I thought he was fellow Mayflower and a very intersting person who was dangerous in his own way, but who I was willing to get to know to see what he was really like. I have never been afraid of taking risks. I know stupid, but what is life without a little adventure and overcoming the odds? I know what it is to be judged harshly based on lies and not the truth. I tend to go the other extreme and won’t judge anyone until I have a chance to see the real person inside. I knew the stories I heard about him, but I wanted to find the truth for myself of what he is really like and what he really believes about issues.
Then there was a period of time after being told by his right hand man of his behavior toward a certain women who I met at one of the Euro Conference who I thought was very nice and sweet and then I thought what a scum bag. I don’t like any guy who leads a woman on who loves him and so that was mark against him. I was also told some other things that made me think what a creep. We women tend to think any guy who leads a woman on and lies to her is a scum bag and maybe I am watching out for her as I would hope other women would stand up for me if some guy I loved was playing me for a sucker and not being honest. We women have to stick up for each other, but you guys do the same thing.
Then I thought maybe I am judging him on gossip and hearsay the way I have been judged so I am back to finding out who is the real David Duke?
Only time will tell who the real David Duke is. I believe all truth comes out in the end.
I found this on David Duke’s website. As I always say the truth always comes out.
Yes, I am now free, at least temporarily
The outrage by so many Czech citizens and even many in the media after my arrest led the government to release me from my cell in the wee hours of the morning, After about 3 hours sleep I now write these words to you.
The charges, of course, from the beginning are specious. I was invited to the Czech Rep. originally to speak at one of the oldest and most famous universities in Europe, Charles University in Prague. It is also famous for being founded by heroic Czechs like Jan Hus who stood up and told the truth and believed that truth and its pursuit is the most important thing a man can do in his life, even if costs him his life and freedom. This is the man who is the national hero of the Czech people.
As those who read my material know, I do not seek the suppression of any people, race or religion, but simply believe that Europeans have the human right to preserve our homelands and that our governments should be in the service of our own people and not the International Zionist Global matrix of financial and political power. I am not a man who denies that atrocities took place against Jews in the Second World War, but I argue forcefully that freedom of speech on this or any other is issue is a basic human right of all people.
My lectures in the Czech republic were not on the subject of the Holocaust at all, in fact why all the constant attention on this subject by the media, when one considers the fact that Bolshevism killed, tortured and harmed tens of millions of more people. I never speak about the Holocaust in Europe other than to say that it is a human rights outrage that people are imprisoned for simply having a differing opinion about an historical event.
I was going to lecture about the Israeli influence over American and European foreign policy and the International Zionist Banking firms that are leading America and the world to financial oblivion, globalist hegemony and unending war.
Now they seek a terrible, catastrophic war with Iran.
That is why extremist Jewish organizations worked to keep my message and ideas from the Czech people and the world.
I am doing tremendous numbers of interviews because of this false imprisonment, so we are reaching literally millions of people here in the Czech Rep. and around the world that I would not have reached otherwise.
I was lucky to have excellent legal representation, but although I am free we must be prepared for any legal challenge against my freedom and the right of Europeans to hear the legitimate ideas that I offer. I certainly am not guilty of any violation of Czech law either in its letter or spirit.
To that end, we need to raise considerable funds for legal defense and hope that all supporters will take a moment to contribute to that necessity as well as the vital work I endeavor to continue for our people.
Please go to http://www.davidduke.com and give me the support I need to stay free and to continue to support your cause and mine.
Please go to the donate button at the top right of this page and give us the most generous donation you can to help us through this difficulty.
“>Thanks for the outpouring of support from you in the wake of my arrest and imprisonment.
I am very thankful of the response so far and am anxious to hear from all of you.
Best to all.
David Duke
Dear Dr. David Duke
Why am I not surprised that the first response from you David Duke is you asking for money. That is the most important thing to you, isn’t it? How much money you can get people to send you. Do you even really believe in your Cause or is your cause saying what you need to say so you can get White Nationalists to send you money?
I actually am disappointed in your words. Instead of saying I knew that I was taking a chance of being arrested by going and speaking I went anyway, and am willing to pay the price even if it means spending time in prison because I believe that it is my moral duty to fight and stand for what I believe in. You didn’t do that did you?
I read in your words, that you were invited to speak and I wasn’t going to speak about the holocaust or that I don’t deny the holocaust and my speech wasn’t even about the holocaust but on another subject, and that I was unjustly arrested. Yes, you have men who believe in speaking the revisionist history you White Nationalist preach, but they don’t whine like you do when they got arrested. They acted like real men.
On the White Nationalists boards you have White Nationalists who think you are their hero who are held captive by every word you say. They believe in you. They are willing to support you and fight for you, because they believe you are a fighter. Yet your words are not the words of a brave man who is fighting for what he believes in and is willing to face prison time because he believes with all his heart he must stand by his beliefs.
I just don’t think you have what it takes to earn my respect. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Black man who earned my respect after reading his letters knowing that he was going to be arrested for fighting for what he believed in and that was Civil Rights. HE said that he believed that if he truly believed in Civil Rights he must be willing to pay the price for breaking an unjust Law. He didn’t whine and say he was arrested unfairly.
There are men and women who fight against coal companies because they believe that Mountaintop Removal Mining is wrong, and they are willing to be arrested and sent to jail for breaking a Law, and like Martin Luther King Jr. don’t whine and say they were arrested unfairly. They are willing to pay the price for standing up and fighting for what they believe in. They have that warrior spirt inside of them.
You, David, don’t seem to have that warrior spirit inside of you. I expected you to act like a real man and say, yes, I knew that I could be arrested for my political views, but I was willing to come and speak to you. I believe so strongly in what I wanted to tell you that I am willing to take the risk. I am willing to speak out from prision if I have to. That to me is something a real man of courage and honor would do. When I see your words I see a little boy who says I was treated unfairly and please send me money. Whine, whine, whine.
No one wants to go to jail, but sometimes if one really believes that they must fight against what they consider morally wrong, such as fighting the coal companies, than you must be willing to take what is dashed out at you with a smile. It is hard to smile when bad things are happening to you, but if you really believe that you are fighting for something that must be fought than you must be willing to take what comes and not whine or make excuses.
One must stand strong and not be weak David, which is what I got out of your message. Though I will be the first one to admit David, that I am not one of your brainwashed followers who believe every line that comes out of your mouth is the gospel. I was looking to see how you handled this sitution of if you were going to be a real man that I could respect even though I disagree with you, because you had the strength and grace to handle this situation like others before you in this world. Men and womenwho have been arrested because they were willing to fight against an unjust Law or an unjust Rule over them by another country and they were willing to fight for what they believe and for their freedom.
Once again, I feel like a stupid idiot for giving you a chance to prove to me you are a real man with courage; only to find you are someone who doesn’t really care about anything except how much money you can get people to send you. How sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christine Cosser
I found this post on SF under the David Duke arrested thread. I had to comment. Scott, since I am an Anti I can only comment on my blog, but you White Nationalists are free to comment on my comments here. Remember what we post on the internet can be copied and pasted and commented on by others, so we need to realize that once we post something there is no taking it back. So if you want to tattle on me to Don Black than feel free. I am not afraid to discuss the issue with him.
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Re: David Duke was arrested few minutes ago in Prague!
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It’s time for a revolution, David Duke and Don Black, pres and vice…
our system is currupt if you can not see it you are blind. It is filled all the important seats with dual citizenship israeli’s and henceforth is bringing us to our defeat. and end game.As Americans we must stand together and do away with this horrific war upon us, or bring it to light.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident. —That freedom is the right to territory sufficient to support life, shared exclusively with those of like mind. —That the denial of others’ freedom entails the loss of one’s own. —That defense of freedom, even at the cost of life, is the greatest good. —That to secure freedom, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the mind of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their freedom. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to deny freedom to the governed, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future freedom.—Such has been the patient sufferance of the Posterity of the Founders of the United States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present United States government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the denial of freedom. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
It has denied the right of people to secede even when they have not denied freedom to others.
It has, in the name of “Civil Rights” imposed private relationships on people to which they did not consent.
It has taxed those who do not possess sufficient territory to support their lives, in order to support the lives of others.
It has refused to defend US territory from invasion.
It has, against the manifest will of the people, passed laws legalizing immigration that replaced the Posterity of the Founders of the United States.
It has drawn ever more power to itself from the States rendering the Laboratory of the States impotent to discover natural laws of Statecraft and the people impotent to alter their conditions by either changing their State governments or by changing their State of residence.
It has waged wars on foreign soil in the name of defending freedom while it assaults freedom on US territory.
It has deprived our inventors of the riches they need to continue to enrich us—favoring instead the transfer of technology ownership to others who, in turn, transfer technology to foreign nations, leaving our own inventors jobless, frequently impoverished and in any event incapable of further enriching us.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A government, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our United States government. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of its own Constitution and establishment on this land. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of Freedom, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good Posterity of the Founders, solemnly publish and declare, That this land is, and of Right ought to be Free, that the Posterity of the Founders are Absolved from all Allegiance to the United States government, and that all political connection between them and the United States government, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free people, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
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The post was very long so I thought I would post that alone and post my comments here.
For years I have been hearing David Duke for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. For years you White Nationalists write him in. For years he has made his pretend State of the Union Address. I have lived through 2 of them(2004 & 2008). I call them pretend not to insult David Duke, but because he is not really President so they are not real State of the Union addresses of the President to his nation. I am just stating a fact.
Don Black as VP is an interesting choice. Out of all the White Nationalist leaders I think he is the one I would say I respect the most. Though I don’t know if I know him well enough to say respect, but I have an higher opinion of him than David Duke.
You post brought me to the point where I chuckled. It is actually very witty how you took the Declaration of the United States and turned it into the Declaration of White Nationalist and the Right Wing in America.
You are not the first one on your side to use the “word” REVOLUTION. There were things in the memo that was released by the DHS that I didn’t agree with like listing people who are pro-life as many of us Catholics are Pro-Life and it is a teaching of the church. We Pro-Life Catholics are not going around saying the words REVOLUTION and I want DAVID DUKE AS PRESIDENT AND DON BLACK AS VICE-PRESIDENT. I can understand how DHS would worry about those who keep mentioning the word REVOLUTION TOWARD THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
I know I am dumb, but I can understand why people might not like that fact that some of you White Nationalists and Right Wing Conservatives keep calling for a Revolution. We even have a Congresswoman from MN who is Right Wing using the REVOLUTION WORD.
I hate to rain on your parade, but the reality is that David Duke is not going to be elected PRESIDENT IN 2012. It isn’t going to happen and I don’t think he is even going to declare he is running for President. Since David Duke is not running for President Don Black is not going to be Vice President. Now, Don Black could always decide to run for President, but I don’t think the chances are really good that he is going to decide to enter the ring in 2012.
That leaves you John de Nugent, but frankly, I know he isn’t qualified to lead this country.
Ed Steele mentioned that he was thinking of entering politics. He is a smart guy and is good with people and a good speaker. I heard him speak in 2004 and he isn’t living in la la land like some White Nationalist leaders.
Not only do you need a President and Vice President you need those who will serve in very important positions.
You need to get your head out of the clouds and down to earth where real people live.
This is the link to the radio show so you can listen to what happen in David Duke’s own words.
http://www.stormfront.org/audio/stormfront_radio-dr_david_duke_and_don_black-04-26-09-arrest.mp3
They are saying he was arrested for a thought crime. They said there are many people arrested for unapproved opinions regarding history. They claim that is why he was arrested because he doesn’t hold a political correct view of history.
Everything he claims of everyone else…pssht, the man see’s dollar signs himself.
Do you think that now some of his followers will observe the facts of the dukester; that he will capitalize any situation for his own financial gain?
In that aspect, he is as smart as you thought. Though in reality, he is just a book-smart moron with a snake’s tongue.
Marie asked:
“Do you think that now some of his followers will observe the facts of the dukester; that he will capitalize any situation for his own financial gain?”
Very good question Marie. The answer is I think with David’s true blue followers that they will continue to support him, believe in him, and trust in him. They want so much to believe that he is the leader within their Cause that will lead them to victory.
When I first heard he was arrested I thought now I will see what he is made of. Is he a man who truly believes in the White Nationalist message and have the courage to stand by those beliefs? As I said in the first op-ed I wrote that I can respect a man who I disagree with if he truly believes what he is fighting for and is willing to pay the price for breaking a Law that is in his eyes unjust.
I am not one of his advisors but if I was I would have told him his first statement should NOT contain a request for funds. Since I don’t want to give him good advice I am not going to say what I would have told him. The fact is that he shouldn’t have been the one asking for funds, but should have left that to others. It looks bad and as you said it makes him look like he only cares about the money and not the Cause that he says he loves and is fighting for. Yet, to many White Nationalists I am just a stupid women and women have no place in the political relam, even though some women like to be active in politics.
I think David Duke is smart. I know that as far as education he is heads and clouds over me. You call it book knowledge and that is true. Whereas I am more the street fighter who has lots of heart, but very little book knowledge.
Marie, I won’t judge others the way I have been harshly judged in life. That may be one of my faults in that I try to be fair to others when others have not been fair to me. So for years I have been on a search for who is the real David Duke?
One eithers loves David Duke or hates him, but one thing I know for sure is that he is an interesting person. David Duke will be mentioned in the history books of America, though maybe not in a good way or in the way that he would like to be. He will be mentioned and has influenced American poltics with his being elected as a State Rep from LA. Being that I love politics I know just how hard it was to win that race. That is one thing no one can every take away from him that he was elected to political office.
White Nationalists like to talk about his book “My Awakening”. Many of them say it opened their eyes to the truth of White Nationalism and they are White Nationalists because of David Duke and reading his books and listening to him on the internet radio.
I read his book and I thought reading the first chapters of his youth that he was an interesting person and even though I knew we had such different views about poltics that it might be an aventure to try and get to know him and to see who the real man was behind the stories I heard about him and so I decided to try and find out who the real David Duke is. I thought he is fellow Mayflower and we both had mothers who were less than ideal, but just maybe deep down inside of him was someone who believed in honest debate of ideas and we could have an interesting exchange of ideas. I like a little aventure in life and taking a risk every once in a while is a good thing.
So you see that like those followers who read his book and picture David Duke as their “White Knight”, I read the book and got the idea that even though he believed in a different vision than I do, that he wouldn’t be afraid of honest discussion about poltics and other topics of insterest. I even got the idea that he wasn’t anti-women in the political spere of life like so many White Nationalists. I wanted to know who he really is because I think he is an interesting person in America and he has made a difference in the political landscape of this country.
I may not be explaining this right, and people will think I am his number 1 fan when that is not the case, nor has it ever been the case. How can one be a number 1 fan when you don’t really know them? That is really a stupid assumption and the person who made the assumption was very wrong.
I try and keep an open mind. So what have I found in my search for the real David Duke? I found a man who I am sad to say is not like I thought he was after reading the first chapters in his book talking about his youth. Maybe he was a man of high ideals then and really believed in honor, courage, and other virtues, but somewhere along the way he lost that and has become someone who either 1. only cares about money and not his Cause or beliefs or 2. he is surrounded by people who are giving him very bad advice and 3. He knows the book knowledge but doesn’t have the heart. Maybe it is a little of all three or maybe just one of the 3 choices.
I noticed on VNN and other White Nationalist boards if that one brings up certain qualites of David Duke that they have noticed and question his motives of being the White Hero of the White Race his followers clamor for the offending White Nationalist to be banned for daring to speak what is on their mind. They parrot the same lines over and over again. How much David Duke has accomplished for their race and White Nationalism and when some other White Nationalists says wait a minute tell me what exactly has he accomplished and what White Nationalist government in Europe has David helped to bring to power; the response is off with their heads. Do you remember the book Alice and Wonderland where the queen loved to say “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS” that is what it is like with any White Nationalist who dares to questions the motives of David Duke.
To be fair I have only met the man twice. I haven’t really talked to him one on one, just hi and shake your hand. I don’t know who he really is or what he really thinks. I can’t decide if he is a con man whose only goal is to get as much money as he can from hard working White Nationalists who really believe in him with their whole heart or if he is being given bad advice and he doesn’t understand that the actions he does doesn’t help people who are trying to find out who the real David Duke for research purposes can respect him. I can honestly say he has not earned my respect. I don’t think he understands that he must earn respect of people, but takes it for granted, as many people in this life do.
There are a few White Nationalists who earned my respect. I don’t agree with them politically and they don’t agree with what I am doing. We would be on opposite sides of the fence, but I respect them. I still hold them dear in my heart if they were ever in a jam I would help them in anyway I could. If I saw trouble coming their way I would warn them and hope they would do the same for me. You can still care and respect someone who has proven they are worthy of your respect.
So as things stand right this moment, David Duke has not earned my respect.
I am afraid they will not see, even if the evidence is in their face. They will not see because they have a conspiratorial us vs. them attitude, and Duke is on their side, or so they think.
Very good point Aslan!!!!!
They don’t really know the man, but only think they know the man.
On VNN someone posted that they had a few drinks with David Duke once and so they knew the real David Duke. Sorry, but one does not get to know the real person until they spend quality time with someone one on one. Not drinking in a bar.
I have been to two Euro Conferences and that doesn’t mean I know who the real David Duke or the real Don Black is. At Euro 2004 one night we (a group people that included Don Black) were sitting around the table drinking. It was a great night and it was great conversation. As nice as Don Black was I can’t say I know the real Don Black or he knows the real me.
I really enjoyed that weekend as I was free and I always have a good time when I am out of my gilded cage, lol.
“David Duke Was Arrested few minutes ago in Prague!”
What’s he in for, now? Money fraud, prostitution, theft, etc.?
It always brings a smile to face to see one of your comments. I hope all is going well with you and you are doing well, my friend.
Well, I need to do some errands, but I just wanted to say hello.
I found this on David Duke’s Website. This is the text of the speech he was going to give. I am posting it here in case anyone is interested in reading it. I know it is long, but I try to be fair.
My comment after reading this is in the last paragraph David again asks for money. Every speech it seems you make is one that includes the appeal for money to be sent you. I don’t think you will ever learn there is a right way and a wrong way.
Dr. David Duke — My words to the Czech People:
The actual text of my Lecture to Charles University in Praha
As everyone in the Czech Republic is now aware, I was ultimately prevented from giving this lecture. Perhaps even more important to the rights of the Czech people, the faculty and students were prevented from their right to hear it. Here is the actual text of my scheduled lecture. You may be the judge of whether I should have had the legal right to deliver it and whether the university students and faculty should have had the right to hear it. As I explain in the lecture, when you suppress the human rights of freedom of speech and conscience, you cannot even personally know for sure what the person is actually advocating. In the old communist occupied Eastern and Central Europe, the establishment either jailed the dissident or simply told the people what the dissident supposedly believes. The idea was not let him speak for himself. It is sad to see the Czech Republic slipping back to the lack of freedom of speech that the Czech people suffered under communist occupation and repression. It is not worthy of a free people. Certainly not worthy of the Czech people.
I feel very honored to be in Czech Republic at the one of the greatest universities of the world, Charles University, a university founded on the courageous example of Jan Huss who gave up his liberty and his very life for the right to speak his conscience to the Czech people.
Thank you for permitting me to speak my conscience and ideas to you, and I think you will find out quickly that my actual beliefs are not what you have been told.
In fact, you may be surprised to find that the chief motivation of my life is the protection and advancement of the most fundamental of human rights for all peoples. And yes, I am not ashamed to say it, I also dare to defend the human rights of the Czech people, of the European and American people.
I believe that every person must have the right of freedom of conscience and speech no matter if I or others agree or disagree with him. Once freedom is curtailed for one human soul it is murdered in the hearts of all men.
When it was announced that I was give this lecture at Charles University, a vicious campaign of hatred and lies was launched against me in the press. The campaign of lies was meant to prevent me from having the right to speak to you, and you from having the right to hear me. The efforts to prevent my academic speech here at Charles University happened even though I am a PhD and a former elected member of the House of Representatives in Louisiana, and who has lectured without problem in over 300 universities all over Europe, the United States and the world. Ironic, isn’t it ironic that I and you have faced such troubles at this ancient University formed around the idea of freedom of thought, speech and inquiry.
I know that some members of your government have called me a racist and hater and holocaust denier, and I will address those issues directly, but first I want you to clearly understand why I think that any kind of restriction of political speech is a violation of human rights, and opens the door to violating everyone’s human rights.
Almost everyone believes in the rights of freedom of speech. However, if you only believe in the rights of freedom of speech for people and ideas that you agree with, than you don’t really believe in this human right.
Free speech for popular opinions has never needed protection, only unpopular ones do. So when you propose jailing or banning someone who you disagree with you are a violator of human rights no different from the tyrants of the inquisition who suppressed and jailed Jan Hus because they thought he was dangerous and evil. As some viewed Jan Hus as the epitome of evil others viewed him as the epitome of goodness.
As an American young man I grew up in awe of the Czech people in their courageous fight for freedom from communist tyranny. Perhaps the most important right of all that the Czech people fought for under communism was the right of freedom of conscience and free speech. In fact, many courageous Czechs went to the gulags, to torture and even death because they dared to exercise their God-given right of free speech and free conscience. In my country our founding fathers, just as the anti-Communist Czech freedom fighters, put freedom of speech and press at the very pinnacle of human rights.
I think they were right, for no other freedom is safe without freedom of speech.
Freedom from government sponsored imprisonment, freedom from state repression and torture, or freedom from state sponsored murder, can be secured only with freedom of speech. Any limitation at all on political or religious freedom of speech gives the state the power to restrict whatever speech it likes. Mass repression and murder can only thrive where those evils are kept from the eyes, minds and hearts of the people.
Once government deems one idea reprehensible or unacceptable and is given the right to imprison the person who speaks it, then no idea is safe. As a PhD in History, I can tell you that all academics learn that if you disagree with a idea then you have an obligation to debate the idea with logic and reason.
An academic can’t get away with opposing an idea by putting some sort of label on it or calling the advocate bad names.
In fact a basic principle in academic debate is that you debate the ideas, not the person presenting them. There is an old adage of lawyers if you can’t argue your opponents facts or logic, attack the man.
I was amazed that the press headlined that I was once in the Ku Klux Klan. In fact, I was as a young man over 30 years ago in non-violent Klan group, and that I and no members of my group were ever charged with any sort of violence against anyone! Long since that time I have been elected to public office three times, have written books read all over the world, and have become an academic.
Contrast that with your new Prime Minister, a former Communist, the political ideology that has murdered more human beings than any other in world history and an entity that terribly oppressed the Czech people and murdered great numbers of your forebears. When there is an article about him in your press do the headlines read, “Former Communist.” Someone must really fear my ideas to sink to such low attacks on me as this.
In academia we are obliged to hear and read dissenting views and then respond to them with reason and argument. Without that process there is no real academia, only dogma.
When Jan Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, the authorities at the time did not disprove or even debate his arguments with facts or logic, they simply labeled him a heretic, a hater of God. He wasn’t a hater, he wasn’t a heretic. Jan Hus simply dared to expose the corruption in the religious establishment that he morally opposed. And he was right, of course, for even the Church establishment itself, has eventually come to see that he was right, for the idea of the rich buying their way into heaven must go against all true Christian doctrine.
In truth, those who were calling Jan Hus a heretic and a hater, and ultimately took away his freedom and ultimately his life, were themselves the true heretics of human rights, and were criminals against human rights. In fact, I would go even further and call them the true enemies of God.
I beg you to notice how the terms heretic, or hater of God had really nothing to do with the ideas of Jan Hus, but because the religious people oppose heresy and hatred of God as terrible sins, those words had the power to justify and jail and later to even murder Jan Hus at the stake.
If the state had a law against alleged heresy today, it would simply jail or ban the heretic so that he would have no right to speak to the people. Notice that when freedom of speech is curtailed on the basis that someone is said to be a heretic, that you really can’t know if he is really a heretic, a hater of God, or actually a lover of God and true to scripture. That is because he is not allowed to speak or explain himself. Since he is not allowed to express himself you cannot know his true opinions.
The same thing is true when one is called a racist or a hater or “holocaust denier” today. If you can’t hear the man or read what he has to say, if he cannot speak and debate, how do you know what he really stands for? I dare say, I believe most of you students and faculty could not have expected this lecture, yet here you are pleasantly surprised, I hope.
If Jan Hus could have spoken freely and not have been imprisoned and murdered, everyone would have found out that he was not a heretic or hater of God, and the corruption would have ended in his own lifetime rather than these abuses going on as they did for another hundred years. We had to wait for Luther to shock the church into change.
Today you have the chance to find out about me, what I really believe. I must tell you that I am so glad that being burned at the stake is no longer an option. After reading the hateful and vicious things said about me, I am sure that some would love to smell my burning flesh.
And thanks to the professors and students of Charles university for hearing me today.
I have already been heard by over 300 universities around Europe, the United States and the world, all without problem.
You will learn that I am not a heretic against human rights, but I am a ardent defender of human rights, that I am not a man who seeks to suppress races and their rights but defends the rights of all people to preserve their heritage and freedom.
I oppose any other nation being controlled by any other. By the way, you should know that even though I am an American, I support the Czech people in their efforts not to be controlled by America. The Czech people should not submit to America’s political leaders, its financial bullying or to the degenerate Hollywood establishment that so poisons the healthy morals and values of the world.
I say this as a true patriotic American who understands that America was originally founded by the principle of Independence. We got our start with the Declaration of Independence, the idea that every nation, every people have the right to control their own affairs and have a government that serves the interest of its own people and not any foreign power. It is my sad duty to inform you that America itself is no longer controlled by the American people, but by Zionist extremists who are popularly called Neocons.
Even though you know little about me, I was one of the few leaders on the right side of the political spectrum who opposed the Iraq War and George Bush.
Those who might think the Iraq War was some kind of American Imperialism on behalf of the American people, but please consider this. It was not a war for oil as America got no oil out that war and we could have bought it cheaply from Saddam Hussein. The war was completely based on lies and you can hear and read my pre-war words that declared the weapons of mass destruction tales pure lies from a Zionist-controlled government and media.
In short it was a war for Israel, period. America has lost over 40,000 Americans who have either been killed or maimed in this immoral war. Over 1 million Iraqis have been killed in the war. It has cost and will cost us in the years ahead trillions of dollars. It has made much of the world hate my country. It is making millions want to do my country harm. In every sense, the war was not a war for America but a war against every true interest of the American people.
Even the pro-Zionist New York Times admits that the two main architects of the war were Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, two Jewish extremists who have repeatedly shown that their greatest loyalty is to Israel not America. America attacked Iraq because the Zionist extremists in Government and media lied to the American people that Iraq posed a danger to the United States, after all, they couldn’t get us to war by saying we should spend trillions of dollars, kill or ruin the lives of tens of thousands of our military personnel, and make the world hate us simply because Israel wanted it. But it was a war for Israel as they now are working on war against Iran for Israel. You can find plenty of documentation on my website on this issue at Davidduke.com.
For those who believe that America is now on a different path with Barack Obama. Think again.
The two most powerful men associated with Obama are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, Obama’s Chief of Staff. Before leading Obama’s campaign for President, Axelrod’s claim to fame was as a Zionist extremist, political hit man who orchestrated the defeat of Illinois Sen. Charles Percy who dared to be only 99.9 percent for Israel rather than the obligatory 100 percent.
Obama’s Chief of Staff, described by the NY Times as the second most powerful man in America, is Rahm Emmanuel, a Zionist extremist named after a famous Irgun Terrorist, and who actually went and fought in the Israeli Army in the first Gulf War rather than for America.
There are many additional facts that I could point out to show you the Zionist influence over the American government, I could go on for 5 or 6 hours reciting them, but with our limited time here, I will give you some of the most important facts.
Obama’s biggest supporters, the financial forces that literally launched his campaign for President were Jewish extremist, Zionist supporters of Israel. In the very early days his campaign, the most politically powerful international banking firm in the world, Goldman Sachs raised huge sums of money for Obama. Another source was Jewish-activist, Hollywood Moguls such as Spielberg, Katz and Geffen who raised over one million dollars at just one Hollywood party for Obama.
Goldman Sachs ultimately became his biggest corporate contributor and Obama’s top twenty contributor list is overwhelmingly weighted by Jewish-controlled, international banking firms.
How can the man most politically and financially supported by the most powerful establishment financial firms really be considered a man who offers, “Change you can believe in.”
In a December 12 article in The Chicago tribune titled, “Barack Obama, The First Jewish President?” and it points out that Jews have been more influential in the career and success of Barack Obama than any other President, so much so that Jews have come to call him the first Jewish president because of his absolute subservience to Israel.
And now what difference do you see with the policies of Obama as compared to Bush? He ran as an anti-war candidate who would pull all our troops out of Iraq, and now he says he will leave 50,000 American troops there. That’s still an occupation. He also says he will increase troops in Afghanistan by tens of thousands. And he is rattling the saber for war with Iran.
A change from George Bush. Obama is really nothing more than George Bush on steroids.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am very fearful that the Jewish extremists will lead Obama into a war with Iran which will be catastrophic for America, Iran, Europe, Czech Republic and the whole world.
It is time for me to speak about a vital subject and think the subject that forms the very core of the reason why such powerful forces want to quiet my voice.
I have dared to tell the real truth, the whole truth about Israel, and if you do that in a world that represents enormous power of Jewish extremists in world finance, in media and in government, you will be gang attacked like a lamb in a lake of piranhas.
I will speak to you with the same kind of abandon of Jan Hus, come what may. Israel is a racial-supremacist, terrorist state by any objective standard.
It is important I make clear that I am not talking about all Jews here, I am talking about Jewish, Zionist extremists. I agree there is a danger from Islamic extremism, there is perhaps even danger from Christian extremism, but we must not close our eyes to the dangers of Jewish extremism. It is not anti-Semitic to criticize Jewish extremists and the Zionist State of Israel. In fact, many Jews are far more vocal than I on the subject. Take for instance, Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, and Dr. Norman Finklestein, or Noam Chomsky. I really believe that Jewish extremists pose a threat for Gentiles and Jews alike.
While government leaders were denouncing my visit, at the same time, they were planning a supportive visit to Israel. Ironically, I am condemned as racist, but they have state dinners give complements to the mass murderers who just a few short months ago murdered or wounded thousands of innocent Palestinian men women and children in Gaza.
They had your own Czech representatives walk out of a speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the anti-racist conference for simply telling the truth about Israel.
Is Israel a Racist State? What are the facts?
1. Israel is an apartheid state. Israel has separate schools for Jews and non-Jews, separate apartment buildings, even whole towns and settlements reserved only for Jews. Many Jewish settlements are built on the very land stolen from Palestinians, and those same settlements will not allow Palestinians to live and often, not even allow them to walk on its streets.
2. In Israel, a Jew and a non-Jew cannot legally marry. A marriage in Israel between a Jew and non-Jew is not legally recognized. Even more telling is the Israeli government policy on the Kohanim, the historical Jewish elite who constitute Cohens, Kohns, and other similarly named descendants of the Jewish priest class. In Israel this Jewish elite is not allowed to marry a practicing orthodox Jew who has even a drop of non-Jewish blood, even to 1000 generations back. Hitler’s elite the SS, required six generations of purity, the Jewish State is even more stringent.
Now my friends, could you imagine if the Czech state legally forbid the marriage of Christians to Jews? Could you imagine the outrage all over the world? Yet, Israel has these policies and no one dares to expose them. They would want to haul your Prime Minister to The Hague for a Human Rights trial. But, European leaders routinely ignore these things because they know who really has influence in their media and financial matters.
Not only do I not promote what is defined as racism, I do what the modern day Church of Politics is so afraid to do, I expose the most racist, supremacist state on earth. Not only does it have racist policies, this Mideast, terrorist state has tortured and murdered, tens of thousands of Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and other Mideast people, stolen their lands and oppressed their people.
You may or may not agree with what I just said. The church leaders may not have agreed with Jan Hus, but at least you are willing to hear my reasons, to treat me as a human being.
The press and some government officials have branded me a Holocaust denier, but in fact I don’t deny that terrible historical crimes against Jews have occurred and I forcefully condemn all violence and repression against Jews or any other people.
I also recognize that there have been many holocausts that are ignored such as the biggest holocaust of all time, the murder of more than 50 million people under the doctrine of communism. Many of your brethren here in the Czech Republic were victims of those terrible communist murders and repressions.
Look at the popular media today. Your fathers and grandfathers and tens of millions of others who suffered under brutal communism don’t seem to deserve even one heartfelt major film by a Zionist-dominated Hollywood, whereas this year (as every year) there are a multitude of films about the Jewish Holocaust, an event that has gone far beyond simply history and into the realm of theology. It has assumed the position of practically a State Religion. As Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, even in many religious countries one is free to deny the existence of God, but he must not disturb even one hair of the Holocaust.
For the record, I am not a “Holocaust Denier.” I do not, I repeat, I do not say that there was no Holocaust, for we all know that there were terrible atrocities during against Jews in the Second World War, we are surely reminded of such almost every day of our lives. But, I do say that that any historical event should and must be allowed to be examined without fear, for the complete truth and details of any historical event can only come from free inquiry, the right to question, and the right to debate every issue.
What I have pointed out concerning the Holocaust is that a number of academics, learned and intelligent men have differing opinions on a wide range of issues within it. There are men who are not haters, who condemn any sort of violence against the innocent, and who condemn the evils done against Jews (and all other people) during the Second World War.
The fact that some of these freethinkers are right now sitting for years in dank prisons is an outrage against the most basic of human rights, freedom of speech, thought and conscience. How in the world can Europeans condemn some tin pot dictator for locking people up for their speech in Zimbabwe, or protest the repressions of political dissent in China and dozens of other countries while we have men and women in Europe in jail for thought crimes, simply for having what most people think are wrong opinions!
Freedom is freedom. Once you deny the right to hold any opinion, you are no longer free.
I also believe in the right of all people to preserve their heritage, their rights, their independence and their freedom, and I believe that the increasing power of the EU, The International matrix of Financial, Government and Media Power, and Globalism is a threat to your heritage here in the Czech republic and to my people as well in the United States. You have been told that I am a racist and anti-Semite. In a real sense, I am the opposite of those things.
I think every people, race, and nationality has the right to preserve itself, it’s unique identity and culture, its values and faiths. This is true for the native tribes of the Amazon, the Tibetans, the Bushmen of South Africa, and for the Palestinian people and of course for the Jewish people. I defend the continued existence and heritage of my group and all groups, and their human rights. My problem is that I don’t stop at defending the heritage and freedom of Tibetans, Bushmen or Jews, I also include the Czech people and the European and American peoples, the heritage and freedoms of my own people.
We have a right to live, too.
Tibet today is a popular cause. Read your newspapers. Tibetans face an existential crisis for their heritage, faith and freedom because of massive Chinese immigration and control. Of course, this is also true for the people of Europe who will find themselves a racial minority in our own homelands by the end of the century unless Europe stops the massive immigration, non-European immigration that will complete remake our nations into lands unrecognizable to our ancestors and far different than we would want for our children.
Imagine that our children become a minority in Europe and as a minority we are ruled over by non-European majority, with a view of life and culture and values that would dramatically affect our own freedoms and destroy the quality of our children’s lives.
It is not racism to want for our own people here in Czech or anywhere in Europe to want what every anti-racist wants for Tibet or for the nations of the Third World who morally resist colonization.
How can it be wrong for me to say that we in the Czech Republic don’t want to be colonized by the Globalists of a New World Order who will trample our rights as surely as bulldozer would a flower?
It is important that I also tell you that I admire the fact that the Czech people have resisted the hegemony of the EU by opposing the new constitution. Bravo. Economic and social cooperation and friendship between European nations yes, but loss of your freedom to a huge, soulless bureaucracy, no!
Counter to the way I am characterized by the lies that have been broadcast against me, I am the farthest thing from a totalitarian you could imagine. My record as a member of the House of Representatives in the State of Louisiana, USA shows that I repeatedly voted for more human rights, civil rights, individual and local rightsand less government power.
The truth is that some bureaucrat in Brussels cannot truly know your needs in the neighborhood where you live and really has no right to dictate to you how you must live. The greatness of the Greek democracy is that it was close to the people, it was small enough to listen to the people and for the people to be heard. Big government and God Forbid, a Globalist World Government can only be equated with tyranny.
Finally, I want to make clear my position on European resistance to Globalism, massive immigration, the EU and the destruction of European heritage and freedom.
In addition to my lecture here at the university, I have been invited to address a couple of meetings of Czech patriots. Here is what I tell them and what I tell you as well.
I defend human rights and I condemn any kind of human violence, intimidation, repression, or hatred.
The answer to these questions is political action and non-violent resistance. Those of you who agree with many of the words of this speech, please don’t misunderstand me. I condemn any sort of violence as immoral.
Furthermore, to those of you agree with the principles I have expressed here, let me be clear that any sort of hateful speech, rhetoric, or violence is completely counterproductive to legitimate efforts to preserve our Czech and European heritage, rights and freedoms. If you do foolish or hateful or violent things you will only serve the enemies of our heritage. If you have any respect for me and my principles I beg you to be decent, law-abiding, people. Anyone who acts violently and illegally I consider them an enemy of the Czech and European people.
I hope that my words will lessen tensions and problems in your wonderful country. We want our rights to be preserved. We want change, but we also want peace.
The way to act is with decent and kind rhetoric and the formation of political parties and political figures who will stand up honestly for your principles in government and in society. In two major elections in I received over 60 percent of the European American vote in the State of Louisiana, an area which is similar in size to the Czech Republic and has about the same population. If I received that kind of vote so can your patriotic parties. In fact many European states have large nationalist parties standing up for our heritage.
As you can see by my words today, they are quite different than I have been painted by the media.
That’s why there was so much effort to prevent my words from being said. Like Jan Hus said, only enemies of truth would try to prevent discussion and consideration of different points of view.
As Jan Hus said at last before his death, and as I firmly believe,
“The truth will prevail.”
God bless all of you, long live the Czech people and Republic, long live the European and American people and our precious heritage and freedom!
Postscript: I was prevented from giving this speech that you have read or heard, and it is important that you know that there have been recent public statements by the prosecutor that they plan to pursue these charges against me. Hard to believe it, but the in Orwellian newsspeak of the Western World, I have been charged with the violation of human rights.Of course, not only did I not deny anyone of their human rights, neither have I advocated it in any way. Do you get the irony. I am being charged with “human rights violations simply for non-violent and peaceful speech!” It would seem to me the violators of human rights are those who are conspiring to lock a free person in prison simply because he expressed his ideas and conscience in non-violent speech! Hopefully we will have success in the courts. But if the charges are pursued against me, I will return to the Czech Republic to defend myself from these ridiculous and repressive charges. If that happens I will obviously take the opportunity of the tremendous attention that would be created to expose this repression to the entire Czech nation and the world. Our lawyers are working hard, but we need your financial gifts to be able to mount an adequate defense and get those these tyring times. I don’t want to have to do that. I want to go on with my life and work around the world and in my home in America, but I will do whatever necessary!”
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I thought I would take the parts of the your speech that I want to comment on and do it here.
David Duke says:
” I believe that every person must have the right of freedom of conscience and speech no matter if I or others agree or disagree with him. Once freedom is curtailed for one human soul it is murdered in the hearts of all men.”
My thoughts:
I actually agree with you that every human being alive should be able to have freedom of thought and be allowed to look at all issues in life and be able to make up their own mind without being made to feel guilty or accused of being stupid for not agreeing with those who have power over them. I also believe that one should not be jailed because one doesn’t agree with their political views. I believe in freedom.
You say the words and that is all great that you believe in freedom for all people. But do you really mean it with your whole heart? Do you agree with the Civil Rights Cause in the 50′s and 60′s that allowed Black students to attend the school of their choice even if that school had been all White? Do you agree that Blacks in this country were in many cases denied freedom of choice?
I really would like to know. I know in your book you talked about George Wallace and I know that he was against the Black Students being allowed to attend the college there. Have your views changed since those days and now you think that there was a need for Civil Rights to be passed in this country so that Blacks in this country would be able to know real freedom?
I was a very little girl then, being as I was born in 1958, but reading about that I know that my heroes felt that it was a moral duty that Blacks know real freedoms and not be denied those freedoms that our Founding Fathers built this nation upon.
David Duke says this:
“Almost everyone believes in the rights of freedom of speech. However, if you only believe in the rights of freedom of speech for people and ideas that you agree with, than you don’t really believe in this human right.”
I believe in freedom of speech for every person. I even believe in your freedom of speech David Duke. I wonder though if you would fight for my freedom of speech?
I believe in letting people decide for themselves what they believe on the issues. I am all for you having your own soapbox for you to stand on and speak what you believe without anyone silencing you. I believe that I should have the same right to speak. Let all people who want to have a soapbox and talk about the political issues facing us as a country and a generation and then let the public decide who they want to support.
We just had an election in this country and the public voted their choice and that was President Obama. There will be another election in 2010 or 2012 and you have the right David Duke to come back to the states and if you so desire to run for political office again. The Republican party which you have been active in I feel is getting more conservative and may even be more receptive to your message.
You see, I have nothing against you White Nationalists running for political office as long as you are honest with the American people on what you believe and what your platform is, and let them decide. I do have a problem if your side runs undercover and keeps silent about what your true political views are and what your true platform is. I don’t think many Progressives if we truly believe in freedom of speech have a problem with you White Nationalists being able to speak your views as long as you are honest. We believe in our message and are willing to run your message against ours, because we believe the American people will choose the Progressive message over the White Nationalist message.
Let me ask you this question. If you David Duke were the first White Nationalist President would you allow us Progressives free speech and free thought in your America? Would you allow fair elections of all political views being represented in the election debates and then let the people decide and vote for the political party they liked best?
His post was so long so I think I would put my comments in seperate sections.
2nd part of my comments back to David Duke:
“I say this as a true patriotic American who understands that America was originally founded by the principle of Independence. We got our start with the Declaration of Independence, the idea that every nation, every people have the right to control their own affairs and have a government that serves the interest of its own people and not any foreign power. It is my sad duty to inform you that America itself is no longer controlled by the American people, but by Zionist extremists who are popularly called Neocons.”
I know that when you were sworn in as a State Rep from LA that you swore and oath much like the oath I swore as a Daughter of the American Revolution. You too may have been looking at the American flag and had your hand over your heart as you swore to defend America against all enemies foreign or domestic. That oath meant something to me. I meant what I said with all my heart. I have a deep and passionate love for my nation.
You say the words, but do you really love this nation with all your heart and soul? You don’t really live here much of the year. For the most part you live in Europe. If you really loved America with all your heart and soul, you would be here with the rest of us fighting to save this nation and not have jumped ship.
Yes, this nation is facing major problems. We have a debt that we are adding that is going to be passed on to future generations and there doesn’t seem to be an effort to stop spending our children’s and grandchildren’s future.
You and your fellow White Nationalists like to blame most of the problems on the Jew, the Non White who has come to the Western nations of Europe and America, and some of you like to blame women.
I may say that many of our problems are because of corporate greed and you would say they are the fault of the Jewish person. Where is your evidence for your claims? I have read your books and I have listened to you speak before, but you haven’t really proven anything to me. I see stats that have been twisted to fit your views, but not all the stats taken and looked at as a whole.
David Duke:
“For those who believe that America is now on a different path with Barack Obama. Think again.
The two most powerful men associated with Obama are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, Obama’s Chief of Staff. Before leading Obama’s campaign for President, Axelrod’s claim to fame was as a Zionist extremist, political hit man who orchestrated the defeat of Illinois Sen. Charles Percy who dared to be only 99.9 percent for Israel rather than the obligatory 100 percent.
Obama’s Chief of Staff, described by the NY Times as the second most powerful man in America, is Rahm Emmanuel, a Zionist extremist named after a famous Irgun Terrorist, and who actually went and fought in the Israeli Army in the first Gulf War rather than for America.”
So you don’t see any real change between President Bush and President Obama?
You are one of the few who don’t see it. As far as the environment goes, there is already a big change from what happen during the Bush Administration. President Obama is I believe going to stop Mountaintop Removal Mining which is destroying the mountains and is criminal in my eyes. The EPA is going to be more active in fighting to protect the air, water, and earth from pollution that is making many Americans sick.
True, he did run a commerical saying he supported clean coal when we know that there is no such thing, but if he can stop mountaintop Removal mining than he is head and shoulders above George Bush.
Just in President Obama’s first 100 days he has already made a difference in environmental policies which are going to be a great help.
I just don’t know who you can say with a straight face that there is not difference between President Obama and President Bush?
Last section.
David Duke says:
“I defend human rights and I condemn any kind of human violence, intimidation, repression, or hatred.
The answer to these questions is political action and non-violent resistance. Those of you who agree with many of the words of this speech, please don’t misunderstand me. I condemn any sort of violence as immoral.”
It is true, that I have never heard any words of violance come out of your mouth. You encourage political action. Which I think is one of the reasons that I thought we could have interesting discussions even though we have such a different vision of the world.
I think you are an interesting person. You will be written about in history books, though you may not like what they say about you, but rather someone agrees or disagrees with you they have to admit that you are an interesting person. So I still ask myself who is the real David Duke?
I know what it is like to be harshly judged and people not understanding you so they end up lying about you, because they aren’t able to understand what makes you tick as a person. It is easier to make assumptions about people than to take the time to really try and research them to see what they are really like.
Because of that I tend to bend over backwards to give people chances to prove to me that they are deep down inside really good and the bad things being said are just misunderstanding of a complex person. I know I am complex and hard to understand and maybe you are too a little and that is why you are intersting.
I am going to be honest with you David, many times I think you are your own worst enemy. You either have this great book knowledge but don’t have the street knowledge or you have some very bad advisors. The things you do just give your enemies the ammo they need to discredit you and make it seem like you are nothing but a Mr. Wickham. A charming man who was a con man and who didn’t have the good character of Mr. Darcy. Mr. Darcy turned out in the end being the one with all the honor and good character that Mr. Wickham only pretended to have.
You say that you are willing to go back and fight this. We will see. We will see how you handle the situation.
Christine Cosser
I found this post on the David Duke arrest thread on SF and I thought I would post it here as I want to comment.
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Re: Yes, I am free again … at least temporarily
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To that end, we need to raise considerable funds for legal defense and hope that all supporters will take a moment to contribute to that necessity as well as the vital work I endeavor to continue for our people.
Please go to http://www.davidduke.com and give me the support I need to stay free and to continue to support your cause and mine.
Please go to the donate button at the top right of this page and give us the most generous donation you can to help us through this difficulty.
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The initial post was motivating me until I read that. Sorry Mr Duke. Unless you run for office again or something, I am not donating. I am not going to donate so you can go on European vacations and speak for a few minutes. I love My Awakening, but come on now. Sound like a beggar. Just my opinion though.
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That post on SF proves my point. Yet, for some reason David, you just can’t stop asking people to send you money. Do you really believe in your cause David? Or do you believe in money more?
Why is it David, that many of the people who have worked with you over the years say you are nothing but a con man? I am not trying to be mean, I am just curious as I searching for who the real David Duke is. I am only interested in the truth of what makes you tick as a man.
This poster said you sound like a beggar, but to me you show time and time again that you like Mr. Wickham and are only looking at ways to con people out of money. You don’t seem to really care about anything except the next scam. He was charming too and at first people liked him, but as the real Mr. Wickham(like the real Mr. Duke) shows his true colors people see him for the con man he really is. He has all the appearence of honor but in truth has no real honor inside of him.
I am sure the attacks will come upon this one brave poster who posted his thoughts and not parrot the White Nationalist line of David Duke is my hero and he can do no wrong. That any White Nationalist who dares to question the intent of the great David Duke must loose their head and be banned from White Nationalism. There seems to be hope for this poster. He either isn’t that far down the path of being a good White Nationalist or he is waking up to the truth and is on his way out.
Yes, David my opinion of you is that you are like Mr. Wickham and that has not changed. Yet, because I refuse to judge people the way I have been harshly judged in life, I always give people another chance to prove that they are good inside. That is a fault of mine, but I refuse treat others the way I have been treated in life, so I will continue to have to live with that fault of always giving someone another chance.
This is from David Duke’s website. I am posting it here because I want to comment.
David Duke: My Proof to the Czech People that My Arrest is a Suppression of Human Rights
Why am not guilty of any “Thought Crimes” in the Czech Republic
By Dr. David Duke
After jailing me in violation of my human rights, I have no personal interest in visiting the Czech Republic again, but if it is decided that my human rights of conscience and speech will be violated by continuation of charging me with crimes related to free speech, I will certainly come back to Czech Republic to defend myself and to defend that most precious freedom of free speech. Freedom of thought and speech is the freedom upon which all other human rights rest. If it becomes necessary for me to return to defend myself I will do so. In the unfortunate media frenzy that will ensue, I will expose to the people of your fine country and to the world — how human rights are being trampled on – in a fashion completely unworthy of the heroes of your great history.
Every true Czech should value freedom of speech, especially after decades of brutal suppression of freedom of speech by the Bolsheviks. How many of you; how many your fathers and mothers endured imprisonment, torture or even death for exercising their God-given human right of freedom of speech. They stood up bravely no matter how the communists tried to criminalize their free speech. Slowly, the same kinds of human rights violations are creeping into your land and across Europe. Journalists are always the first to defend their own freedom of speech, but why the silence about my freedom.
Indeed your country’s greatest hero, Jan Hus, is an example of how suppression of free thought and speech is a heinous violation of human rights not worthy of the ancient establishment back in 1415 and not worthy of the Czech people today. For that matter, the rights of free conscience and speech are not just limited to the Czech Republic but are universal.
Furthermore, I am not guilty of the specific charge against in any capacity. Here are the reasons why.
1) A book I wrote in the United States in the mid-nineties and in English can hardly be a crime in the Czech Republic. The police complaint says that My Awakening, a book I originally wrote in English the USA in the mid 1990s is why I have been charged. In fact, I wrote it the 1990s before any current laws, and I wrote it in English obviously for an English speaking audience.
2) The book was published in the Czech Republic by an independent publisher over whom I had no control or influence and who, in fact, was critical of parts of my book. Years ago My Awakening was published in Hungary and at that time I gave up my rights to the book in Eastern Europe of the EU. I did not translate this book into Czech nor cause it to be translated. I did not publish the book nor cause it to be published.
3) The Government has publicly stated clearly that the actual publisher of the book has broken no Czech laws. As the publisher is innocent, so I am also innocent. I, who wrote the book years ago in America, and in the English language, I did not translate the book into the Czech language, nor seek the translation of the book into the Czech language. How can I be said to be guilty of crime when I did not even publish a book that the government itself says is not criminal?
4) Furthermore, even if I had written the book in the Czech Republic itself and in the Czech language and would have published the book myself, (which I did not) it clearly would not violate any laws in the Czech Republic or in Europe for that matter. It must be noted that in my writings I wrote in English in 1995 never “denied” the Holocaust.
Only 1 chapter out of 42 chapters in My Awakening even touches the Holocaust issue, and that single chapter is not “Holocaust denial” but simply a plea for freedom of speech on this issue just like any other, and opposition to the idea that academics should be jailed for their historical opinions. I state very clearly in my writings that I believe that terrible atrocities and murders occurred against the Jewish people. I even candidly state that the Holocaust may certainly have happened exactly as some leading popular Holocaust historians say, but that historical truth is only arrived at ultimately from freedom of speech.
If an academic can be threatened with loss of his university position or even with imprisonment for his researched opinions, a climate is created that hinders search for historical truth. It is still hard for me to believe that a person in a supposedly free country can be jailed simply for his opinions about aspects of an historical event, and literally no one to my knowledge has been prosecuted or imprisoned for questioning aspects of any other historical event other than this one.
5) The one chapter in My Awakening does not constitute “Holocaust Denial.” In that single chapter I do state that historians who are called “revisionists” as well as show that many mainstream Jewish and non-Jewish historians have had differing opinions about aspects of what is called the Holocaust. I make it clear that these opinions are not mine, but are those of revisionists of which I am not one. By doing this I argued that the jailing and persecution of these men is a terrible blight on our societies which pride ourselves on freedom of speech and thought. In the book, I also make clear my strong criticism of the National Socialist regime in these human rights matters.
6) As the Independent Czech publisher is not guilty of any crime, so I am not guilty as well. My original writings in English in the 1990s on this subject are very similar to what the independent publisher does on the matter. As the publisher published my writings, and made clear that my writings were not the publisher’s, I do the very same thing in my text. I simply recount some of the revisionist positions and argue that many of their positions don’t constitute holocaust denial but constitute simply offer legal academic debate on aspects of this terrible period. I also show that many mainstream popular writers of the Holocaust have also shown a dramatic change of position on many material aspects of what is called the “Holocaust”. Quoting writers such as Jean Claude Pressac who was sponsored by the famous anti-Nazi Klarsfeld Foundation, for instance, on his dramatic reductions of deaths from Auschwitz does not constitute holocaust denial. In truth, if someone is prosecuted for holocaust denial for quoting what Jean Claude Pressac himself wrote — then he, Prassac and many Jewish mainstream writers must be prosecuted themselves because they have written things that have dramatically countered previous versions of mainstream Holocaust positions.
In truth I don’t even do what Pressac did, I don’t say what he said, I simply point out what revisionists say about these matters, and I don’t even say that Pressac was necessarily right in his data. So if the government says the publisher is innocent of any law violation, then I am as well, because I simply quote what others say, and I clearly and powerfully condemn the crimes against Jews. My writings do not say the Holocaust didn’t happen nor in any way deny the Holocaust as the human tragedy it was. Perhaps, the real reason I get into trouble is that I contrast the flood of movies, TV programs, documentaries, books, plays, remembrances of the Holocaust as compared to that all historians agree was much bigger slaughter of human beings by Bolshevism.
7) I did not come to the Czech Republic to promote the book, but to speak at Charles University, and even if my critics say that I had promoted the book, how can it be a crime to promote a book that the Government has found to be legal? The government prosecutor has suggested that I came to the Czech Republic to “promote the book.” My media interviews before my arrest also prove the fact that I did not come to promote books for I made no promotion of my books whatsoever in those interviews. In fact, the purpose of my trip was to fulfill a speaking invitation at Charles University. I have lectured at over 300 universities and I considered this lecture to be one of the most important of my life as the history and tradition and importance of Charles University is famous throughout Europe and the World. Even though my trip to Prague was not to promote the book but give a lecture, (you can read or hear the lecture on my website, DavidDuke.com), how much sense does it make to allege that it is criminal to speak about a book that has already been deemed by the state as legal?
Certainly in light of these clear facts, I am not guilty of any crime in the Czech Republic, but have been a victim of government efforts to restrict my speech and imprison me unjustly. In short, the obvious truth is that I have committed no human rights crime, but the efforts of a few men in government to imprison me for my opinions and beliefs is truly a crime against human rights. In Den Hague, men are prosecuted for conspiracy to deny human rights. Have not my human rights been violated here. I leave it the public to decide who is the real criminal here; a man like myself who consistently speaks against violence and opposes violations of all human rights, or the government who attempts to put people into prison for up to three years for speaking their conscience? The only ones guilty of criminal human rights crimes here are those who try to suppress the most basic human right of free speech and conscience.
I am hopeful true advocates of human rights and justice in the Czech legal system will realize these facts and see that justice is done.
My thanks to all the Czech people, who whether they agree or disagree with my opinions are standing up for the right of free speech and against the immoral jailing of people for their opinions.
May God Bless You,
Sincerely,
Dr. David Duke
I am glad to see that in this piece you did not ask for money!!!!!!!! Maybe you are starting to learn something?
You do make a valid point that the book “My Awakening” was written in the 90′s in America and in English. I have no way of checking out the truth, but if you did in fact give away the publishing rights in Eastern Europe and you had nothing to do with the publishing of the book, I would say their case against you is weak.
David Duke asks: ” How can I be said to be guilty of crime when I did not even publish a book that the government itself says is not criminal?”
That is a good question. If you gave away your publishing rights to your book in Eastern Europe and had nothing to do with the publishing of your book, than how can you be guilty of a crime that they are not holding the publishers of the book for? I will admit that something smells fishy here.
I also don’t think you are as innocent as the pure driven snow. David Duke says: “In short, the obvious truth is that I have committed no human rights crime, but the efforts of a few men in government to imprison me for my opinions and beliefs is truly a crime against human rights. In Den Hague, men are prosecuted for conspiracy to deny human rights. Have not my human rights been violated here. I leave it the public to decide who is the real criminal here; a man like myself who consistently speaks against violence and opposes violations of all human rights, or the government who attempts to put people into prison for up to three years for speaking their conscience? The only ones guilty of criminal human rights crimes here are those who try to suppress the most basic human right of free speech and conscience. ”
It is true you have never spoken about using violence to achieve your goal of a White Homeland. Yet, by the very fact that your goal is to have an all White America you are violating the human rights of the non whites who were born in America and this is there country too. So how to you intend to achieve your goal of an all White America? Are you going to split the United States into seperate nations like John de Nugent based on race so therefore you would want to succeed from the United States of America and form your own country within land that used to be part of the United States of America?
So you say you love America and that you are a true American patriot, but yet you seem willing to see our government fall apart so that out of the ashes you can form your White Homeland. That is what White Nationalists say they believe and are fighting for. You are one of their leaders so you too must be fighting for the goal of forming an all White America.
What about the human rights of the Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, or any other Non White American that you don’t want in your White Nationalist nation? Where are you going to deport them to? How will you get them to leave the only country they have known without a fight?
Frankly, I don’t see you as a person who fights for human rights of all people. I think that you care about Whites, but I am not even totally sure that your White Nationalism is all that important to you either. I think you have found a way to make a living out of it, but as far as truly believe that White Nationalism is worth going to prison or dying for, I don’t think you are that committed. I think you truly only care about what is best for David Duke and maybe your daughters and granchild.
Do you believe in Civil Rights in this country or do you think that the Civil Rights Bill was a mistake? Do you think that all Americans Black and White, Hispanic and Asian, Catholic and Jew are created equal? Or do you think there should be one rule of Law for Whites and another one for Non Whites?
I know in your book you said you admired George Wallace. I know what he believed and I know what other who fought for Civil Rights believed. George Wallace wanted to deny Blacks the chance to go to the same college as White Students. Federal troops had to be sent to make sure that the Black students could enroll. Do you still admire George Wallace and his stand against the Federal Government or have you changed your mind and now believe Civil Rights was the morally right thing to do as a nation?
The things that I have read and heard from you is that you oppose the Civil Rights Bill that was signed into Law. That you think the brave men who worked so hard for that Bill to pass were traitors to White America. Do you still believe that?
You talk about human rights, but I have to wonder if you have changed your spots and are now saying that you were WRONG and that you repent of your old views? You see I don’t think you have changed your spots, but hey, maybe you will prove me wrong and you will renounce your White Nationalist views that disrespect the Civil Rights of Non Whites in America. Civil Rights to me is the same as Human Rights.
Yes, Dr. Duke time will tell what the truth is as I believe your true colors will come out once again. The truth always comes out in the end.
Christine Cosser
This is a response to the person who raised the point that he was turned off by David Duke asking for money. I knew he would be attacked by White Nationalists for daring to speak his mind.
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The initial post was motivating me until I read that. Sorry Mr Duke. Unless you run for office again or something, I am not donating. I am not going to donate so you can go on European vacations and speak for a few minutes. I love My Awakening, but come on now. Sound like a beggar. Just my opinion though.
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That is an outrage!
What if you needed help with a lawyer’s fee and could put the word out?
Dr. Duke lives in Europe so I wouldn’t consider it ‘a vacation’.
If you don’t wish to support our leaders, speakers, educated and notable WN folk, then in my humble opinion, YOU, sir or madam, are the beggar!
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And you should read this if you haven’t already. The Awakening is the reason for the arrest. To actually phrase that above statement the way you did, really smacks one in the face.
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My thoughts. He didn’t smack David Duke in the face. HE was merely stating his own personal thoughts and telling the truth. Yet, to you White Nationalists who say you value the truth, you sure try and silence any White Nationalist who points out a fact about your great hero David Duke.
Are you guys afraid to hear the truth? Is this why you silence anyone who would point out that David Duke sounds like a con man when he asks for money all the time?
You say David Duke lives in Europe, but David Duke says he still lives in America and is just spending lots of time there teaching and speaking. Which one is it? Does he still live in America as David Duke likes to say or does he live in Europe, which is where he spends most of his time?
Where does David Duke get most of his support to live on? It is from Americans. Here is my question to you American White Nationalists, why do you continue to support a man and continue to send lots of money to a man who has jumped ship and no longer really lives in America or is planning to come back and run for political office again? Why do you continue to support someone who has very little to show for all the support, trust, and loyality you continue to show him year after year?
What has he actually done to earn your respect? Ok, he ran for state rep and served one term in the LA state house. That was back in the early 90′s. What has he done since then?
He wrote a couple of books, but that too was years ago, and we are still waiting for the book he talked about in 2004. So five years we are still waiting for the book he said would be called for the love of my people. So people have been sending him money for that, and the book is still not written.
What White Nationalist government has he helped bring into power in Europe? The BNP has not won any seats on a national level. They have gained no real power in the UK. Le Penn’s party is not in power. So tell me one White Nationalist government that David Duke has helped bring to power.
David Duke has been teaching political science in Russia and teaching the future political leaders of that nation. So he will be making a difference in the Russian government when his students graduate. He has encouraged the youth here in America to get active in the political process and the Republican party is the benefit of that inflex of White Nationalists who are being more political active.
For your information David Duke is just a man. HE IS NOT GOD, WHO ONE CAN NOT QUESTION. He is a man who has to earn the respect of those people who he wants to support him and follow him. Any leader worth their salt knows that he must prove to the people that he is worthy of that respect and support. He must prove that he will fight along side of them in the battles that we must all fight and not when the battle gets tough say it isn’t their problem and leave the other guy to fight the battle alone. David Duke left America and as you pointed out lives in Europe now, so why do you American White Nationalists continued to be suckered into sending him your hard earned money when he has taken the attitude that America isn’t his problem anymore and has moved to Europe? Let the White Nationalists in Europe support him, since Europe is where he chooses to live and work.
David Duke has showed that he is not going to stick around and fight for America that he says he loves with all his heart in his speeches. He jumped ship when the going got tough. He didn’t stay but he ran away. Do you really want to support an American leader who runs away and doesn’t stay in the country he says he loves with all his heart when that country is in a fight against those people in power who think nothing of lying and ignoring those in power who are doing their best to destroy the Constitution?
I really wonder just how much his Cause really means to him? The pattern I see with David Duke is he runs when the going gets tough and isn’t willing to stay and fight. Sorry, but that is the way I see things, but since you thought it was a smack in the face for the White Nationalist to point out a truth, I guess you must really think I am smacking David Duke in the face, lol.
I have just been a long search to find out who the real David Duke is because he seemed like he might be interesting and someday he will be written about in the history books. It doesn’t matter if one loves him like you do and think he can do no wrong or hate him and think he can do nothing right like some people; one can’t deny that he will be written about in American History and I wanted to see what made a man like David Duke tick.
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That is an outrage!
What if you needed help with a lawyer’s fee and could put the word out?
Dr. Duke lives in Europe so I wouldn’t consider it ‘a vacation’.
If you don’t wish to support our leaders, speakers, educated and notable WN folk, then in my humble opinion, YOU, sir or madam, are the beggar!
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I am sure Duke already makes plenty from these forums and his bookso cover any lawyer’s fee he could possibly need. Sorry, but I don’t rely on others to solve my problems for me.
And I see no need to line the pocket books of “leaders” who havn’t made any real progress as of late. “Leaders” whose job is nothing more than speaking. Must be nice, eh?
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My question for you is are you just starting on the White Nationalist path and haven’t been fully brainwashed yet to not question anything the great White Hero David Duke does or are you starting to wake up from your coma and are for the first time in a long time starting to see the real truth?
Either way, I hope you realize the truth that White Nationalism is not going to solve the problems facing America.
This poor guy is really being attacked for speaking his personal opinion. Now they are calling him a traitor. Maybe this will open his eyes to the truth, that if you are not willing to march lockstep in line with all the other White Nationalists and if you have the courage to dare to question the great DAVID DUKE you will be considered a traitor to the WHITE NATIONALIST CAUSE.
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I am sure Duke already makes plenty from these forums and his bookso cover any lawyer’s fee he could possibly need. Sorry, but I don’t rely on others to solve my problems for me.
And I see no need to line the pocket books of “leaders” who havn’t made any real progress as of late. “Leaders” whose job is nothing more than speaking. Must be nice, eh?
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We should help him NOT because he is a notable leader in the movement
We should help him NOT because he sells books, makes speeches, ect.
We SHOULD help him because he is WHITE, he is A BROTHER.
Any other reasoning makes you a TRAITOR clear and simple…
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You want to help him because he is your WHITE BROTHER, but the truth is DAVID DUKE wouldn’t help you if you NEEDED HIS HELP.
David Duke doesn’t really care about OTHERS, but only cares what is in it for DAVID DUKE. I know that little truth is hard for you WHITE NATIONALIST ROBOTS to understand, but that is the TRUTH.
He is a COWARD who left America and ran to Europe. HE didn’t stay and fight for what he believes in, but ran to Europe. If he had any courage as a true American Patriot who loved this country he would have stayed in America and fought against all who would want to destroy the Constitution of this country. HE didn’t so he is a coward in my book.
I found this account on a website and I am posting it here, because I find it very interesting. Just another piece in the puzzle of who the real David Duke might be?
David Duke: Psychopath
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This is a true story: Tonight my Russian friend celebrated his birthday at a hip cafe. A lot of famous Russian nationalists were present. I went there with my American friend Rob (who is the nephew of famous White nationalist Bob Whitaker). We drank some beers. Since David Duke was in town and Rob is a good friend of him, I suggested to invite David Duke. Sure enough, one hour later, David Duke showed up. Considering that David Duke had lived in Russia for five years, it was – again! – shocking for me to observe that he was not able to read the Russian menu! Anyway, I immediately engulfed David Duke into a discussion about Israel. I told him how much I supported Israel. David Duke freaked out, telling me: “WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE JEWS?” I told him that I supported Israel because Israel is one of the few countries that ACTIVELY fight against the Muslim scum, and the Muslim scum WAS THE MAIN THREAT TO EUROPE. David Duke, naturally – since he is a psychopath – freaked out, raised his voice, and SCREAMED: “CONSTANTIN!!! I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOU!!! WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE JEWS???” He emphasized the word “JEWS.” I told him that it was not only “the Jews” who are currently dismantling Western civilization, but WHITE PEOPLE in general. David Duke, again, freaked out and started SCREAMING (like a madman): “CONSTANTIN!!! WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE JEWS???” It was amusing. I told David Duke that I would always defend Israel, no matter what. Again, David Duke had a fit of rage. Then he left and sat at another table. Meanwhile, I was discussing the matter with the Russian Fascists who were present at the table (including one Russian Orthodox priest). Most of them told me that Duke was wrong. They, and I agree!, said that Duke acted treacherously when he went to Iran. They said, and I agree!, that Islam was the NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF EUROPE. They also, albeit reluctantly, agreed that Israel is an ally in this titanic struggle. In the end, I can say that I am able to control Russian nationalist sentiments.
Kind Regards,
Constantin
Constantin,
I wasn’t there and you were. Though I have found in life that there is some truth in both sides of the story. It would be interesting to see what David Duke has to say about this encounter just to be fair. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle between both sides.
I know that David Duke has a temper as that is no secret. I heard stories about how he got angry at a few people during Euro 2005, but then again he had some valid reasons for getting angry at what was happening. I have a Irish temper which is quick to flare, but soon forgotten. People who have deep passion tend to have a temper as well. I don’t judge any man for loosing his temper because of the passion he has for what he believes. Actually I didn’t think David Duke had any passion.
People feel very strongly about their political views. At least I think they should. You feel strongly and passionate about your views and David Duke feel strongly and passionate about his. I feel strongly and passionate about my political views as well. Anyone worth anything is going to feel very strong about their political views and their vision of the world. Just because we don’t agree on issues doesn’t mean that we should call the person who disagrees with us as mentally Ill.
I know you were at Euro 2004 or 2005 and I may have seen you there. I do understand you not wanting to go to another fan club meeting for David Duke, and frankly, I don’t think you would be welcome there any more than I would be. Though being a little trouble maker sometimes, I might show up just to see the reaction of the White Nationalists and try to debate them on the different issues. Though as I get older, I don’t push people as much to see what I can get away with.
You are Russian and I am American. You love Russia and only want what is best for your homeland. I am American and I have a deep love for my country and will defend the United States with all I have inside of me, and I look down on other Americans who run away to another nation to live when America is having to fight those in our own country who would want to destroy the Constitution of this nation.
Cowards is what they are, if they know that we as a generation must stand up and fight to protect the freedoms that this country was founded on, but refuse to fight because of the risk or because it means our comfortable life may not be comfortable anymore than I don’t respect that person. For you to decribe David Duke as mentally ill is I think unfair. I am not a fan of David Duke, but I don’t think he is mentally ill and needs to be in a mental hospital on meds.
Both of you are to the extreem. You can’t blame all Muslims, but you must put the blame on the Muslims who are so extreme in their views that they think of us in Europe and America as the great satan. You are right Iran is a threat to the west. We must support Israel. I agree with you as do many people in the world. Ok, so you are right on this issue between Iran and Israel. You are right that we must stop Iran from developing Nukes. You have me a Liberal/Progressive agreeing with you a Russian White Nationalist. It just means that we are both sane people who know the truth and want what is best for our nations that we love.
David Duke on the other hand doesn’t see Iran as a threat. He sees the President of Iran as his friend because they both share the belief that Israel( the Jewish State) and the Jewish people are the BIG threat to the world. They believe in this big evil plot of the Jews to take over the world. I think he is wrong on this issue, but I don’t think he is mentally ill. I think he knows that if he wants to gain power than that is the side he has to play on. Power is a very powerful drug and many people will play on the side they need to if they think that it will help them become more powerful and help them gain a position of power. David Duke wants power and to be part of the big leagues and not have to play in the minor leagues anymore. That desire doesn’t make him mentally ill.
This is not the first time David Duke has been on or supported the wrong side. He was born in 1950 so he is 8 years older than me. He remembers when the fight for Civil Rights took place in the South as he lived in LA. He admired George Wallace and all the other men at that time who stood up to the Federal Government in allowing Black Students to attend what had been all White Schools. I was just a little girl of 2 but David Duke was 10 years old in 1960 when much of the fight in the South for Civil Rights for Black people was going on. David Duke being the good Southern Boy he is, he chose the Southern Side in the battle for Civil Rights(Human Rights) in America. The federal government won because I think those who felt it was their moral duty to make sure that Blacks were not denied their Civil Rights were on the right side. While David Duke admired George Wallace I admired the Kennedy Brothers who were fighting each other over the Civil Rights in the South. I don’t think parts of the South have forgotten or forgiven that they were defeated and forced to change the way the South lived and that is why I think many Whites still honor the confederate flag as they are very proud people. In some ways I don’t think they have forgiven the North (The Yankees) for defeating them and for the way the South was treated. I remember a long time ago that David Duke said the Jews were behind the War Between the States(the Civil War). I like the South and the South mindset is very different than the North. They have their own way of doing things and they don’t like to be told by the North that they are WRONG and have to change.
I am not defending what David Duke believes, but I don’t think he is mentally ill either. I think he is clever like a fox and does what is best for David Duke. He is smart, as he keeps coming up with these new scams and ways to raise money to live on. That is not stupid. He may not be the most honest man, but I don’t think he is mentally ill. He is a charming con man.
As far as not knowing his Russian well enough to read his menu after living there for five years; you got to remember that English is his first language. If you came to an English speaking country and Russian being your first language do you think you might have a little trouble reading a menu in a resturant you haven’t been before? I remember in 1979 I was in Paris. I had trouble reading a french menu. The waiter didn’t speak English and so I would have to pick at something. It came out and it was snails. I wasn’t interested in eating snail and I sent it back and I had a hard time finding something to eat that night because I couldn’t speak or read french. It was funny and I laughed about it and myself for not being able to order from a french menu.
So what is your purpose? You are right that extreme Islam who thinks we in Europe and America are the great satan is the real threat and that we must support Israel, inspite of the bad things that she does to the people in the West Bank and Gaza. David Duke is wrong to hitch his horse to the Iran/extreme Islam cart because they feel the same way about the Jew. We don’t know what David Duke’s reasons are for doing what he is doing siding with the President of Iran and the extreme Muslims, but I believe that the truth will come out in the end. IT means we must keep on searching until we find the answer to our questions about David Duke and what is his motives on why he would side with those who think America (his own country) is the great satan and wants to destroy us along with Israel. He doesn’t believe Iran is a threat to America, and I want to know why? Does he know something that he is not telling the rest of us Americans? In his talks with the President of Iran what do they really talk about? What deals is he making?
No, I don’t think David Duke is Mentally Ill.
I got up this morning and I was checking out one of the forums I post on. I was surprised, but then again not surprised when I found I had gotten a red dot(neg rep point) for this post I had made about David Duke.
Originally Posted by Sudaev
The people reading his book already believed, or wanted to believe, what they were reading. He didn’t ”help” anyone, really.
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My words:
I think you made a very good point.
The people who are his true blue followers are going to continue to support, believe and trust in him. They are going to continue to send him money whenever he asks for it, because in their eyes he is a great man who has done so much for their race. He is their hero and no matter what he may do, there eyes will never accept that he is not what they think he is.
Rather you hate David Duke or you love David Duke, one has to admit he is an interesting person. He ran for House of Representives in LA and won. No matter what else he does in life, he will have been a player in LA politics.
Those people who support him and are so loyal to him and defend him in their eyes he is a great man who they admire. I have to ask myself though how many of them know the real David Duke? I don’t mean just going to a conference, listening to his show, or reading his book; but really spending time with him one on one and getting to know him as he lives his everday life. Unless you really spend quality one on one time with people or live with them; you don’t really know the person they are inside. So I believe that most of David’s followers don’t really see David as he is, but how they want him to be.
There are good quality leaders within White Nationalism. They work hard, are honest, are good family men who have the courage to live by their conventions, yet these men don’t have the name glory that David Duke and others have who let’s just say have the appearance of a little dishonesty in their actions. Why is that?
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I know there is a God and that He hates injustice. I see the storm coming and I see His hand in it. If He has a place and part for me, I am ready.
Abraham Lincoln
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I read those words and I didn’t say anything that wasn’t in my heart. I was honest with my feelings. I didn’t just attack David Duke, I brought up some valid points. Yet, because I dared to question that some of his followers who are so devoted to him do not know the real David Duke, unless they have spent quality one on one time with the man it was off with her head and that is give her a red dot.
I think it is funny so for those of you who think I am angry that I would get a red dot, know that I am laughing.
This was the little comment of why I got the red dot. “I heard an acquaintance of Duke say that most everyone who knows or has met Duke thinks highly of him.” My response to HeilHamus is this. You don’t even know David Duke in person do you? You heard an acquanintance of Duke. An acquanitance of someone could range from barely knowing them and just saying hi when you meet to someone who spends some time with someone, but is not a friend. Acquanitance is not considered on the same level as friend. So when you say the word acquanitance I think of someone who doesn’t really know because he isn’t in the inner circle of David Duke’s life or he would be considered a friend.
There again there is a difference between meeting someone and knowing someone. Just because you have met someone doesn’t mean you know who the real person is. I have met David Duke a couple of times, but that doesn’t mean I know the real David Duke and who he is when he is by himself and having a beer and hanging out with his close friends and family. There is a difference in how people act when they are front and center and in the spotlight than when they are at home relaxed.
Yes, David Duke can be a charming man. I am not denying that he doesn’t have that Southern Boy charm. That is just one side of David Duke.
Tell me why so many people who have been in David Duke’s inner circle and not just someone they met a few times at a WN conference and chatted with for a few minutes say that David Duke is a charming con man? Now as someone who is trying to find out the who the real David Duke is, I need to take their comments into consideration as well.
My conclusion as to the character of David Duke is that he is a very complex person who has many different sides to him. Yes, he does the the southern boy charm that he uses when he is in public trying to get the support of people to either send him money or vote for him. Then there is the private side which his followers do not see and only the inner circle sees. The side he shows to his family. Then the side he shows to the people who work close with him. As you can see there are many different sides to the famous David Duke.
I will leave you with these words. David Duke is a man and not GOD. Not every word at of the man mouth is to be treated like the gospel of Jesus Christ that one must obey without question. You are being a blind follower of someone and that is dangerous to allow anyone to have total power of you. You don’t even really know who the man David Duke is, only the public face that he puts on and yet you get so upset that anyone would dare to make a statement that you do not know who the real David Duke is that you are following. Why is that?
You White Nationalists like to say we Lemings are brainwashed. But I have to ask myself who is really brainwashed here? Those of us who are trying to sort this complex world and the issues for ourselves or someone who is blindly following David Duke to the point that whatever he says is the gospel to be followed without question?