You know how White Nationalists are always talking about unity. Well I have been keeping track of a thread on Stormfront that like many threads I have seen over the years becomes a big fight between White Nationalists. Well, I find it very funny so I decided to post some of the best posts from that thread on here for your entertainment. We all need a good laugh and this is very funny, lol
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 What Happened to the Heart of SF?There are many great posters here but recently I realized that some of the people I consider the heart and soul of SF, people that have been here for nearly a decade either left or had their accounts disabled. What happened to..
1. Son of the Mist There are more but those are the ones I am most curious about. Please fill me in on other prominent posters that I left off the list. |
That was the orginial post that started this latest mud bath between White Nationalists.
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? I too have been observing a brain drain over the last six months. The general content of the site has been deteriorating into babble.
The ones you mentioned eventually got sideways with a moderator. Unfortunately the moderators are usually people who don’t provide near the insight as the people whom they are reprimanding. With the public lashings and the power struggle, the member is usually forced to eat crow, or leave. And having PRIDE as most of us who post hear do, they leave. My guess is it is only a matter of time for everyone to have a conflict with a Moderator. And the longer they stay the more likely is that one of those conflicts is with a Zealous Moderator. If you have an opinion, it is inevitable that somebody, some day won’t like it. |
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Although I only joined in January, I got the impression that Stormfront is declining. Not dramatically, but when I came here there were more topics, more oppinions within the threads, more controversy. Might this be the swastika ban effect? Fortunately many very good men and women are still here and there is hope that the empty voids can be filled with newcomers some day – not just by numbers, but also quality wise.
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? So basically what it boils down to is disable someones account, attack their reputation when they can’t respond. I never intended to make a big deal about this I PM’d suepeace and didn’t get a response. If CCF was a “fraud” like you say then so be it I’m not defending him or his actions since I don’t know him from Adam, however he was always nice and enjoyable on the forum and as far as I’m concerned he is innocent until PROVEN guilty. What is there to hide? I see ZERO evidence that verifies your accusations of him.
I want to shed light on his mysterious dissapearance because I would want someone else to do the same for me. |
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The reason it keeps getting brought up is because no details are ever given. You may forget we belong to the class of people that are used to being marginalized if our views are not acceptable. I keep hearing he is a fraud…great, sounds like the language our enemies would use to discredit someone. Bank fraud perhaps? How would we know? I’m not picking on you specifically because I’m guessing you are as in the dark as everyone else, I just don’t like secrets. If he was a new poster people would stop asking but he was a sustaining member and had over 10,000 posts was listed as a friend of mine and many others and he invested a lot of time onto the board, just like the rest of us. I’ve seen a lot of posters get banned and usually there is a reason. Why is this any different? If he beat someone up in real life why not say so? What is their to hide? |
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I don’t have any other details. It doesn’t matter how many posts he had or if he was an SM or not, that does not give someone credibility. He wasn’t 24, he is 60. I’ve seen his pic and he looks like a jew. He took advantage of some folks on here and I will not mention their names. Everyone happy now? The only things he ever said that were true were, “I live in Costa Rica” and “Please disable my account” |
They start fighting about this one poster that was banned.
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I wasn’t attached to CCF. He seemed like a nice person though. My whole point in bringing any of this up is because as I said innocent until proven guilty. If it was just CCF I wouldn’t make nearly as big a deal out of it but since there has been such a purging of dissenting views since they election I find it odd. Despite what those in control might think, Stormfront will NEVER be accepted as a mainstream forum no matter how much they ban the N word or swastikas, all they have done is pushed their core away. |
You are right about that, that Stormfront will never be accepted in the mainstream no matter how hard they try and purge their image because your message is still the same.
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The “heart” of our Cause belongs within each one of us and not within an internet forum. Some people finally need to understand that we are united when we associate ourselves outside of this forum (and I think many people already know this). |
I would say that you are right in your statement. It is people follwoing that advice and stepping off the internet into real life White Nationalism that is going to make the difference between you guys winning and loosing. I have seen some of you be active in your communities and making a difference politicaly on the issues you care about. If you ever decide to be real political activists than yes, you could actually be a real threat. But as long as you keep fighting and flaming each other than you will continue to self destruct which is a good thing for those of us who oppose you gaining any real power in America.
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? There is nothing I love more than to make a long thought out post and have it deleted. Stormfront definitely doesn’t tolerate dissent.
I know many have made an exodus from what passes for SF these days to I might follow suit. |
You have to remember that SF is a private board and they have a right to run it as they see fit. I don’t post every single comment that is posted on this board. That is life. If you are not happy there at SF than you have the right to go somewhere else or start your own blog or forum.
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Cut out the heart and the soul dies too. Revolutionary-minded WNs are not welcomed to post here from what I gather from jack-boot and others in charge so I simply quit posting for the most part. I only pop-in on occassions because of the good solid people that remain and you are not one of them imho. You are way too condescending and argumentive with little substance of importance in your posts. Now I see they even made you a mod, lol, but nothing surprises me about SF anymore. Good day. |
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And the soul of this website is as strong as it ever was, perhaps even stronger. Don Black, and the decisions he makes about things, is the heart of this website. Quote:
Well, what you “gather” isn’t correct at all, just more indignant grandstanding from someone who mistakes revolution mindset with shooting off one’s mouth. I really don’t care why you chose to quit posting, as only a true drama queen needs to try and make everyone aware of why they don’t like the very website they’re posting on. Quote:
*said the guy who just popped in to respond to one of my posts by saying “pure crap”, then slinking back to the shadows* I hate clichés, but the one about the pot calling the kettle black couldn’t be more appropriate here. Quote:
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Like hell. The heart and soul of this website are the people on it, the thousands of people posting relevant information, networking together to further the movement, and generally working together. Don Black, Jack Boot, and the rest of you mods and admins, you’re just logistics, and I’d bet most of them would agree with me. Quote:
Did someone say condescending and argumentative? |
This is where the thread starts to turn nasty.
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Well Steel Heart10K, it’s great that you found out all this information on CCF via you know who I’m talking about.
But really….giving out information about other SF members to that crazier than a sh**house of a poster is just not cool. Oh please, please….don’t deny it. I’m not stupid anymore…damn sure was this morning, but I guess I wised up by this evening. I don’t think your any better than CCF personally. Talked to him lately? Or just his girlfriend? |
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This just gets more interesting… |
This is just what I was thinking.
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Oh quite. Seems that Steel Heart 10K likes to play both sides of the fence, right buddy? |
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Indeed it does. |
Yes, this thread has become very interesting and we wonder what is going to come next in this soap oprea called White Nationalism. This is as good as watching any of those soaps on tv. Though my grandmother liked As the World Turns. My uncle would call it as the stomach turns, lol. I don’t really watch the soaps that much but when I would visit my grandmama I would watch them with her.
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Come on Cheyenne Rose, lets get your input on this.
After all isn’t Steel Heart 10K your husband? Was your husband? Living together? You should have some detail into his sneakiness. |
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Don’t call me girly first off. You know exactly what I am talking about. Unless your hubby keeps secrets from you too. He still emails with some crazy woman whom we and you know well don’t we? Then, he twists it up and makes up lies via email about them. gosh, where have you been? |
Should I say the word catfight?
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No I do not know exactly what you are talking about, and yes, I know whom you speak of. |
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Sort of like as the SF turns lol. |
Good name for the title of my Blog post on my blog. I was thinking of another name, but I like your title for the soap oprea better.
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She’s crazier than a sh**house. She constantly emails someone I know and has now decided to include information from your husband in her lies. He has also sent me PM’s which I am reporting to the mods about another member here. If he doesn’t keep secrets from you, well then you are well aware of what a liar he is then. As for CCF, this has nothing to do with that trash anymore. |
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For one thing he is no liar, I know nothing of what you are saying, and he does not keep secrets from me. So if you please, let me something that I can relate to……. |
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Of course you don’t know what I’m talking about. Ok, I’ll give you some credit. But HE knows exactly what I am talking about. It’s late here and I have to get up early tomorrow. I would enjoy a response from Steel Heart 10K. You don’t have to fight his battles for him. But I have emails with him involved and PM’s with him lying about other members. He didn’t lie about CCF that is one thing I know….but what his other motivation is…it could just be the “misunderstood” crazy stalker chick that needs to stop sending emails to SHE knows who, and using your husbands name in them. He needs to stop sending PM’s about other members that I have known for a very long time here. He’s part of the where’s the heart of SF problem right now along with others and that needs to stop. So when you talk to her, tell her to get over it. And take her medication. |
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Wow, it’s getting really daytime television in here.
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Ask and you shall receive, the reason everyone is complaining has to do with the fact administration has made changes to SF in order to mainstream it. In the process constraints upon expression, symbology, and militancy were implimented. This was done to attract mainstream whites who in other words would be scared off. What are the results of this attempt to mainstream SF? The results have been the banning or departure of the best and brightest leaders on this board. Do not be fooled the best leaders do not come from the P&C arm of WN. They will always be found and show themselves in the Militant arm. What have we replaced these great minds with since the attempted mainstreaming of SF. We have acquired neocons, liberals, trolls, and straight up garbage. Militants build and mantain order on a forum, once they are gone everything goes to hell. I have seen several threads talking about unity on this forum. What a load of BS, the P&C arm would not know unity if it ran over them. It is time the P&C arm took some lessons from the groids and mestizos. When the Panthers or La Razza do something militant do you ever see the NAACP or The Council on Latino Affairs say something negative? The answer is No they do not because they know in order to defeat whitey the political arm must support the militant arm. The politicians support and condones the militants and vice versa. As it stands right now many in the P&C arm of WN would sell out, rat out, and stab in the back the members of the Militant arm of WN. Knowing this the P&C arm expects me to trust and support them. Not going to happen, they will have to prove they are capable worthy of loyalty, trust, and honor. In the meantime SF continues to decline and hemmorage members. If administration wants to save this board time they catered to real WN instead of white trash mainstream liberals. |
Back to the purpose of the thread. As they say in tv land, will tomorrow we find the catfight going on?
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 Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF?Well hell looks like we have ran out of steam on CCF so now it is my turn to feel the knives of the SF self rightious…ya in the back!
 Enough, I tried to use humor and it ain’t going to work cause I am about as hot as a wet hen over the things said about my wife and myself earlier on this thread. Sooo lets clear some air, shall we! I did what I did for a former poster on SF as a extension of what I believe the 14 Words are! Most of you know who she is and I am still honoring my word by not bringing her name into this free for all, as per her request! When I give my Word I will very rarely break it…it is an honor thing! Freya14, I have posted with you and rep’ed as well as PM’d you since I came on SF back in 07′. In all of that time I have NEVER done anything to deserve this type of Flame from you at all! I apologies that I couldn’t of been here for your original start of your flame but I found myself in more pressing business with a migraine and in bed. Well I am now awake and you have my full attention!!! Where to begin…hummmm, ok lets start with the attack on my wife, Cheyenne Rose, She had no part in what happened with the outing of CCF or the reason I decided to ferrite out info on him. She only knew that I was doing it and didn’t want to deal with it. She didn’t care for CCF and was angered with what he did to that…how did you say it, “Crazy As A Sh!t house Poster”, as so should ANY WN Women Be! Maby in a popularity contest she might take last place but she is White and a Woman as well as a WN and NO WN Woman deserves what she or the other two received from him!!! Cheyenne Rose defended a out of the blue attack on me as ANY honorable and devoted spouse would including yourself if I or anyone were to attack say Palerider. You were less than nice and addressed Cheyenne Rose with extreme disrespect when she did NOTHING to you ever! for this I am requesting a public apology from you, seeing how ya made it public, for your conduct! If ya have a problem then deal with me personally please! You have slung mud on both my name and honor well Freya14 so now I will do my best to address your flaming rants. Please keep in mind this isn’t a defense rather a simple statement of facts and correction of false statements made by yourself: 1.giving out information about other SF members to that crazier than a sh**house of a poster is just not cool—Other than CCF I have never done this and plan never to do such to any member of SF. As for the lie part…psft give me a break! You are assuming We know what the hell you are referring to! It is easy to alter a PM or a email to make it look anyway you want it to but I will trust that your own sense of honor will not allow you to fabricate these damming emails and you will get the copies of the original ones sent to me. Again if someone is using my name to stir up the pot I will deal with it ASAP! Again I find this attack both foul and particular vicious! This is beneath what I had known you capable of and am disturbed by the ferocity of it! I suspect that you were fed one sided information and wound up on purpose by others that are to cowardly to confront me one on eon so they have others do their bidding all the wile standing back and never betting muddy from their actions! Seeing how I NEVER did a single thing against you personally that deserved these type of damming posts and the 2 years of posting compatibility I am willing to extent you an olive branch and accept a simple refutation of what you wrote and an apology for the dastardly statements you made in public and it will all be over and done with and forgotten. Please notice I did not report any of the posts you made nor did I report you for forwarding my PM to you with out my permission. You are guilty of several SF infractions yet I will not hold you harmless for them and am willing to take the example of the SF Heart and forgive and forget and put this behind us so we can unite and turn this anger and vile against the ones who really want our demise…the Zionists and their Cronies of the NWO!
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This admission I will take a moment out of my reply rant to recognize and thank you for admitting!
Another Round? Will the olive branch be accepted? Stay tuned to find out the answer? Don’t you just love White Nationalist drama?
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Why don’t you make a formal apology to the person you sent out that “FYI” about? For YOUR information, when you decide to lie about people TO THEIR FRIENDS, those friends will usually place loyalty above all else, including board guidelines regarding private messages. I asked Lyn to leave me out of this thread and she respected that, but upon awaking this morning I changed my mind. I don’t particularly care to become part of another Stormfront soap opera/drama, but on the other hand, I have nothing to hide. So let’s get it over with. I’ve been made aware that this is what you have been saying to people: Quote:
I actually find it rather amusing, considering I had so little to do with him that I wasn’t even aware until a couple days ago that CCF’s name was “Bob”. However, I do not find it all THAT amusing. Aside from the occasional rep comment and CCF donating to my fundraiser for needy white families, I had no connection or association with him whatsoever. Since you have chosen to bear false witness against me, I will ask you now to provide all the evidence you have with regard to this statement: Quote:
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I’m sure Lyn would agree with me that WE will accept a simple refutation of what YOU wrote, and an apology for the dastardly statements you made in private. Quote:
Please notice that we DID report your lie. You know, I’ve never had an infraction before, but I’m willing to risk it. I must have grown a thicker skin around here, because at one time I would have been really disturbed that you wrote this about me. But I find it doesn’t really bother me all that much because I know my friends here know me better than that, and because what you wrote was such an obvious lie. What I find more disturbing is you expecting Lyn to kneel down and apologize for coming to my defense. So, if rules were broken, I ask the mods to impose the punishment on me and not Lyn. You know what’s really upsetting? Everyone knows that CCF donated to my fundraiser for Kayden’s little boy and therefore has my address. I’ve been worried and a bit paranoid about that, since I don’t know anything about the guy other than what I’ve read in this thread. Anyhow, I sent you a PM telling you as much, and you provided me with a link you said would provide more info about him. Not a WORD about any of this “Bob’s main wingmen” stuff. Not one word about you having any sort of problem with me at all. Now how does someone go from a friendly PM to me to a PM full of lies to one of my friends? And why would you be willing to send me a link to more information about CCF if I am his “main wingmen”? Something smells. Quote:
Truth? Unity? Buddy, you wouldn’t know the meaning of those words if you had a dictionary surgically implanted into your cortex. You and your little pals have lied, exaggerated, dramatized and been nothing but trouble-making shít-stirrers for too long around here. It’s about time somebody said it. And I accept any and all consequences of saying it myself. One more thing: What the hell is a “main wingmen”?? |
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Never mind the heart, what happened to the mind of SF
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Steelheart Check this out……
The things that you say to the person you refer to as “MY LADY”….(Not Cheyenne Rose BTW) They all get back to me. Some of the things, I mean lies, said about Lyn are less than flattering, to say the least. Watch your mouth. |
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Re: What Happened to the Heart of SF? Well I guess I don’t have to post much after all. Thank you Suepeace and you know I would come to your defense in a second if I had to again.
Palerider has plenty of crazy emails from Steel Heart10K’s “Lady” who isn’t his wife. We all know who she is don’t we? And she is constantly stalking Palerider by email or by phone. She should really just stop, she isn’t getting anywhere, neither of you are. You are both only digging yourselves a deeper hole. Well, Steel Heart 10K..please what do you have to say in your defense…I don’t think your wife has anything to do with this right now…so you need to come back and answer. I’ll take the same punishment Suepeace gets as well thank you. This all needed to be brought out into the open. And now I am off to the store, and to enjoy the rest of my day. You all have a good one. |
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This post is completely independent and has nothing to do with the rest of this thread. While reading your post I noticed the quoted comment about CR being your common law wife. If you are going to be a Klansman Steel Heart that common law crap will not fly. Do you know what the old time Klan done to people who quote lived together? First of they light the Fiery Cross in their front yard, if that did not do the trick the whip was brought out. Back in the old days the only segment of society to engage in such behavior was nonwhites specifically groids. Time for you to straighten up Steel Heart and do what is right and honorable. If you do not want the state sticking their nose in or knowing about your marriage that is not a problem. There are plenty of ordained CI ministers who would be more than happy to marry you. Take care brother. |
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Is there going to be a forced marriage? Though Wolf, there are some CI pastors who do not believe in the legal marriage of the state and have a marriage ceremony but it is not legal in the eyes of the state. Even though Jeff and I went through a CI marriage it wasn’t legal in the state of OR. It was quite a shock to be told that our marriage wasn’t legal when Jeff would tell me I was married to him. It took me a while to get over that mind game of being told I am married to someone and at the same time priests and others saying I was not legally married. Actually, I guess I was lucky because I didn’t have to get a divorce after I left Jeff, because we were not legally married in the state of Oregon just in Jeff’s little church in Boring. So if your Klan marriage is not legal like mine wasn’t to Jeff than they would still be considered not legally married in the eyes of the state. You make it sound like they are living in sin. To the people involved don’t get married because you feel pressure from the Klan and other White Nationalists.
I don’t know the people involved in real life, but only as screen names on an internet board. I hope that Sue and her friend are not punished for being part of this new White Nationalist soap opera. As the events unfolded, it is clear to me that they acted out in being loyal to someone they considered a friend and wanted to defend them. They are passionate and as someone who is also passionate I can relate. I think Lin’s heart was in the right place even if it did turn out to be daytime drama name as Stormfront Turns, lol.
I have defended people who I considered a friend in life and was willing to stand in the gap for them in taking someone’s wrath. That is true friendship and the true meaning of friendship. I will not fault anyone who knows the true meaning of friendship.
I like SF. There’s a lot more to see than this thread. What is it you don’t like about SF anyway. You sound like one of the more intelligent opponents. Maybe you are a fence sitter.
Dear Bob,
I know that there is more to Stormfront than what was seen in that thread, lol.
That thread is an example of all the drama that is found within White Nationalism. I posted it because of its humor value.
No, I am not a fence sitter.
I am interested in an exchange of ideas.
Chrisy
You DO realize that SF members DO have a life outside their ideologies, right? Perhaps they took a few weeks off for vacation, or had a tragedy in the family, or a newborn baby? It doesn’t mean the WN movement is declining because, let me assure you, it is growing by the day. More people are realizing the farce they’re being spoonfed by the new regime and the invisible hand that drives this government.
To Bob, from what I’ve seen this Chrisy58 had some sort of brain aneurysm or disease which caused her to flip flop, like most lefties like to do.
I would suggest assessing who you are, mind and person, because from seeing this blog nobody is taking you seriously except for those few comment disciples you have.
White Nationalism is only growing in your mind. Do you really think you will gain the victory and turn America into an all White Homeland which is the goal of White Nationalism? You are living in la la land if you think you have any chance of bringing your all White America into reality. Your White Pride World Wide is a joke. People laugh at you guys.
Yes, I did suffer from a mental disease when I allowed Jeff into my life. I also suffered from a mental disease when I allowed myself to be brainwashed as you are brainwashed and you don’t even know it. I am doing much better now and have once again joined the real world so I can fight you guys with the truth. Your message and beliefs are basied on nothing but a lie.
Those people who comment who you think are nothing but my disciples, are real life people who are smart, strong, and know the truth about your White Nationalism. They realized the hard way that White Nationalism is a lie and you guys are the joke and not us who have managed to open our eyes to the truth.
I found your new little thread on me. Posting some of my comments I made as Scottish Purple Heather. Yes, I was even an sm at one time.
This one is from Aug. 2006. That is 3 years ago. Yes, at one time I looked into Wiccan. I have good friends who are Pagan. Do you have a problem with Pagans. IF you do than you must have a problem with all the White Nationalists Pagans. There are even White Nationalist witches.
The context of those comments was that there were CI White Nationalists who talked about burning witches/Pagans as Jeff used to tell me many times. That is why the comment about the burning of witches because they said the Bible told them they must not suffer a witch to live.
08-13-2006, 01:25 PM #3 Scottish Purple Heather
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Re: The War of Christians vs Pagans in America
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Thats a very specific vision. Care to make any short term perdictions.
If the gods speak to you so clearly perhaps you can tell us how the mid east truce deal will go.
I cant say i dont feel it likely that the american empire is headed for an energy crisis that will forever change our lifestyle, but you dont need runes to see that.
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I didn’t write the article and I am not the one with the vision. An elder from the Welsh Celtic tradition of witchcraft wrote the article and is the one who had the vision.
I do believe that the Gods do speak to people. For him and others of different traditions to have the same vision by the Gods is interesting to me.
I do think that there is some truth in the article. I do think that we as WN pagans would be smart to think of ways to network and look into ways to build a WN pagan village or PLE. There is a war between Christians and Pagans in America. It is more clear to me everyday. We have different beliefs and they will bring back the days of the burning times. Our pagan ancestors were to tolerant and we need to realize that there is no working with Christians who have no desire to let us live by our beliefs. Christians lie about what we believe as Witches and Pagans and say we worship the devil, when we are an nature based religion that follows the old paths of our European Ancestors.
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You might think you are going to make me stop by posting my old posts when I was brainwashed. You don’t like it when I use the term brainwashed, but I am not the only one who feels like they were brainwashed to believe the BIG WHITE NATIONALIST LIE.
I have an open mind and when Jeff used to tell me that I was a witch because rebellion was the same as witchcraft I started to believe him. I couldn’t believe his CI/WN message and so I was very confused and was looking for peace and truth in many different places. One of those areas was Wiccan. In the end I chose to go back to my Catholic Faith. I still have good friends who are Pagan and they helped me find out that it is ok to be yourself and follow your own path.
I am sorry for the words that I wrote when I was a White Nationalist. They are very hateful and hurtful words. If you want to post my old posts than I will post them here. As much as it makes me sick to my stomach I will post them here. It will just remind me that I am on the right track now and that I am happy to be out of the WHITE NATIONALIST HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Scot, I found this under your user name on SF “Scot Intellectualism” That really has me on the floor laughing. If you are an intellectual than George W. Bush is a Liberal/Progressive and your hero David Duke is Black.
You must feel like such a big man posting my old posts when I was brainwashed into believing as you do that WHITE NATIONALISM IS THE TRUTH. Yes, once again you White Nationalists prove just how a true man acts toward women. Yes, you are a real honorable Scot aren’t you?
Here is another one of my posts. You don’t show the date on this one. So I will have to say it has been a long time since I was a SM. I would say if I was to guess that I made this post before 2006 because I wasn’t a SM with the Scottish Purple Heather Account, I think it must have been with my orginal account so somewhere between 2004 and 2006. So this is another old post.
Yes, at the time I did say some hateful and hurtful things about homosexuals. I am not proud of any of the hate filled words I posted as a White Nationalist. I am not the same person anymore, and I am trying to grow and be more accepting of others.
What happens to us in life many times effects how we feel about people. Many years ago when I was still living in the Bay Area of Calif. I had a really bad experience with a co worker. This was about 1982. We went out one night as I was just breaking up from my boyfriend at the time. I will call this girl Tracy. I thought she had a boyfriend too. Tracy was the on driving that night. The first bar she took me to was ok. The second bar was a gay bar and she picked up another woman and wanted to have a threesome. I am not into women and I said no. Tracy kept pushing and pushing and pushing. I finally had to go outside and call my ex to come and get me.
The next morning Tracy and her lady friend she had picked up at the bar came to my house. She wanted a threesome again. She just kept pushing. Another friend from work showed up to return something she had borrowed. I took her aside and said to not leave me alone with these people. I was really freaked out. We finally got them to leave, but it still effected me because I didn’t like how they were trying to push me to do something. I am not saying men don’t push, because they do and I also have fear of men too.
For those White Nationalists who accuse me of being gay, I am not gay. I like men. I have just had some really bad experiences in my life that have left me emotionally damaged. Just because I a woman am fighting against your message doesn’t mean I am gay. Do you think your actions are going to stop me from speaking out about the evil that I found within WN? You must make me more determine to fight you and to try and warn people to stay as far away from you guys as possible.
It is now 2009 and so enough time has passed since 1982 that I realize that not all homosexuals try and force their lifestyle on others, but like there are men who are pushy that Tracy was a pushy one too.
My post from SF, but I don’t know what account because unlike the other one it doesn’t show the account name or the date. Those are my words and I remember making it when I was a SM. That was many years ago, as I haven’t been a SM for at least 4 or 5 years.
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i think grown white people should be able to do whatever grown white folks want to ,, as long as theres no kids involved and i dont have to see it, dosent pollute the bloodlinei guess, besides i dont want to live in a police state no matter whose in charge
I can’t believe you posted that!!!!
You think grown white people should be able to do what ever perverted acts they want to. How very liberal of you. There was a time when homosexuals were not welcome in our ranks, much like jews and non whites were not accepted. Now, it seems like almost anything goes within our ranks.
Homosexuality has no place in WN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anymore than adults who enjoy having sex with children. They are both a sexual perversion and should not be tolerated in our ranks. I will never accept homosexuals within our ranks. It is against everything I work for as a WN.
This topic has been discussed before and the answer was no it has no place. The pro homosexual people who want to bring acceptance to homosexuals within our ranks bring this topic up again. Yes, you are pro homosexual because you don’t care what two White adults do. You don’t care as long as no children are involved or you don’t have to see it. You can say you are personally against it, but that you don’t have a problem with homosexuals as WN as long as they keep it in the closet, to make you feel like you are not condoning homosexuality, but it is still double speak.
That is like old an dear friend who was an Irish Catholic Congressman, I knew in my past life who handled the abortion issue. He would say he was personally against it, but he accepted it because it was the Law. He voted pro choice in Congress on all bills dealing with abortion and got away with it, because most of the people in his district didn’t look up his voting record and this guy had so much Irish charm that people wanted to believe him. He was full of the Irish Blarney. He tried to walk the fence and get both the Catholic vote in his area, and also the pro choice(abortion) vote. I didn’t respect him for doing that, because he was really pro choice, but he didn’t want the Catholic voters to know that so he pretended he was pro life to get their support and to cover why he voted pro abortion in Congress. In the end it didn’t help him to double speak, because that man is no longer a Congressman in the US Congress. So what did he get for trying to have it both ways? Nothing.
I don’t respect WN who are treating the homosexuals the same way. I don’t respect anyone who double speaks in order to cover themselves, from the consequence of what they really believe. I may be unpopular or people don’t like what I have to say, but at least I speak honesty of what is on my heart. Yes, I have had to pay a price for my honesty of what I believe, but I can live with myself. Yes, coming out and being honest to get my party at the time to support a WN candidate as a state party would be considered a stupid move on my part polictally and yes, it did cost me an election and future within that state’s party, but I can live with it because at least I was true and honest to myself and my beliefs. It wasn’t the last time in my life that I did something that people consider stupid because I was true to my beliefs. I am sure it won’t be the last time either that I do something stupid because I am true to my beliefs. My openess also cost me DAR. I am at a place, where I don’t care what people think about me or my beliefs. I have to be true to myself.
I never thought I would see a day when WN would push accepting Homosexuals within our ranks. Oh, I guess this is the new style White Nationalist who wants to bring our Cause more mainstream. We will never win by compromising our beliefs to become more mainstream.
Accpeting homosexuals is just as much a mistake as accepting Jews and Non whites into our ranks and memberships within our groups. I am hardline compared to the new style WN who is more liberal. If the day comes where homosexuality is accepted in WN, than that will be the day I will no longer call myself a WN. I will continue to work for my race and stay true to my beliefs, but I will never compromise on allowing homosexuals, jews and nonwhites into our ranks. Will my firm stand and being true to myself, cost me? It will very could, if those of us who are old school are out numbered by the new school WN. As I have stayed true to my beliefs in the past, I will stay true to to my beliefs now and will fight against allowing homosexuals, jews and non whites into our ranks.
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I even mentioned those in Congress who voted pro-choice when are church teaches pro-life. That debate is still going on within the church. Back then I was less accepting of those who held a different point of view. I am sorry. I still am sorting out my feelings, about how I feel about things and dealing with the effects of my past has had on me. I am still trying to find my way out of the hell. I was angry because no one understood and the times I did try and reach out for help because I was sinking fast, no help was given because they didn’t understand the truth or that I had PTSD.
I actually want to thank you Scot, because you prove just how evil you “White Nationalist” guys are. You think you are such a big man and that you are a good Celtic man, but the truth is, you are NOTHING but a coward and a looser. I was going to back off a little bit because I have deprogramed myself from all the effects of the years of being involved with White Nationalists. NOW BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR LITTLE WHITE NATIONALISTS FRIENDS I WILL KEEP POSTING YOUR POSTS HERE TO SHOW TO THE WORLD JUST HOW EVIL YOU WHITE NATIONALISTS REALLY ARE AND SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE THE TRUTH. I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT YOU GUYS. I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU. ACTUALLY YOU ARE MAKING ME MORE DETERMINE TO FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is another post on the special thread they have started in my honor.
cougarspeed
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Re: Example of OV “guests” twisting our Movement
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Its one thing to be completely involved in the White Nationalist Movement; to be dedicated mind, body, and essence to our cause and to be an active SF member, and to NOT be labeled a loser, ninnywit, or no-life. But to be dedicated completely to argue against and berate people based on their ideologies…well it goes without saying
Someone forgot to tell her the cure for her flip flopping, like most lefties do, would be to play in rush hour NYC traffic.
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Why don’t you White Nationalists play in the rush hour NYC traffic? I doubt you have the courage though as with everything you White Nationalists do is behind masks because you don’t want people to know who you really are in the real life.
At least I wasn’t afraid to use my real name, like most of you boneheads and cowards.
I know Chrisy in person, met her when she was still a White Nationalist. Because of this, I know more in depth her reasons for leaving White Nationalism. I even agree with some of her reasons, even though I was a bit shocked and sad at first, because when she was a WNist, she was really good at it. I think when people leave WNism, we need to look at the reasons why. Someone doesn’t just decide to believe one thing one day, and another the next, nor do they simply get “brainwashed.”
Chrisy, don’t apologize for things you’ve said on Stormfront, especially the above quoted. They were not hateful or hurtful. Sometimes, what’s true isn’t pleasant. You were correct in saying that, it’s true that Pagan WNists need to network, and that this Pagan vs. Christians war is going to go on forever. WNism isn’t going to stop that and make everyone hold hands in racial harmony. If you’ve seen the Theology threads, that’s your proof, right there. I’ve said before that Pagan/Heathen WNists should have their own thing going on.
I don’t think you were brainwashed when you were a WNist, I think you were trying to do what you felt was the right thing.
Other than that, this thread you posted does seem a bit of a soap opera. It’s unfortunate, as some of the better people on SF got caught up in the drama.
Another one:
Danny Mathews
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Re: Example of OV “guests” twisting our Movement
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Originally Posted by AmericanCelticScotsman
She is the anti–Annabelle K on this forum…
Read this tripe… http://chrisy58.wordpress.com/2009/0…land-security/
Yep, that pretty much confirms what I thought in my first post, it’s a genuine, off her meds, ex-WN, who has no clue who they are, or what they believe in.
They are few, and far between, but there is perhaps nothing more sad than an ex-WN.
What does an ex-WN stand for?
What can they stand for?
They knew enough of the truth that they can’t go back to burying their heads in the sand.
Often they run like frightened rabbits, into the waiting traps of the anti-racists, who use and exploit them, as a weapon against us, before spitting them out again, and then they run around like headless chickens, knowing that, despite whatever it was that made them fall off the wagon, we still hold the seed of truth, and that they can never be trusted back on that wagon again, so they will always be separated from that truth.
I think that in itself is enough to drive anyone a little crazy.
So what can she do, but latch herself on to us, like a leech, desperate to be part of us, but hating us, at the same time, for her separation, for whatever reason it was, forced eviction, or self-isolation.
I’d advise anyone reading this thread, if you find yourself at odds with a personality, or two, if you find yourself having doubts, or angry at the “movement”, for some reason, or other, don’t go down the path this girls gone down, but instead, take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize the cause is far bigger, and far more important, then clashes of personalities, websites (she seems to have a hang up about this place), or some disagreement, or other, and so stay in the fight, but just stay distant from those elements who upset you, let you down, annoyed you, or who you fell out with.
The alternative is to end up like this poor girl, lost and alone, blogging gibberish, to a small audience, angry at everything, and nothing, lurching from left, to right, not wanted by us, or them, isolated, and alone.
It’s bad for your health.
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You assumptions of me are all WRONG Mr. White Nationalist. Actually for the first time in my life I am getting healing and am on the right track. I am finding a way to put my NIGHTMARE OF A LIFE BEHIND ME. FOR THE FIRST TIME I SEE THAT THERE IS A WAY OUT OF THE HELL I HAVE LIVED IN FOR MOST OF MY LIFE.
your link doesn’t even link up to anything. Like most of White Nationalism you can’t prove what you say.
You are living in a LIE, but you are so brainwashed you can’t even see the truth. You think you are so smart, but the truth is that you are DUMB because you are being used and you don’t even see it.
YOUR CAUSE IS A JOKE. YOUR WHITE NATIONALIST CAUSE IS A LIE AND IS NOT REAL. YOU ARE ALL LIVING IN MAKE BELIEVE. YOU ARE LIVING IN A POISON PLAYGROUND AND YOU CAN’T EVEN SEE IT. YOU ARE BEING DUPED TO SEND YOUR MONEY TO CON MEN WHO ARE DECEIVING YOU INTO THINKING THAT THEY ARE BRINGING INTO REALTIY YOUR WHITE HOMELAND. THE TRUTH IS THEY ARE USING THAT MONEY YOU SEND THEM FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL PLEASURE AND LIVING SO THAT THEY CAN LIVE THE GOOD LIFE. THEY ARE A JOKE AND YOU ARE A JOKE.
YOUR SO CALLED LEADERS ARE CRIMINALS, SEXUAL PEREVERTS, GAMBLERS, CON MEN, AND LIKE TO HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN. THEY ARE NOT MEN OF TRUTH, HONOR, COURAGE, AND WHAT THEY PRETEND TO BE. YOUR WHOLE CAUSE IS LIKE THE ATTRACTION AT A FUN HOUSE WHERE YOU GO IN THE ROOM AND ONE FINDS ALL THE DIFFERENT MIRRORS THAT DESTORT THE WAY YOU REALLY LOOK. YOU ARE BEING FOOLED INTO THINKING YOU ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL OF AN ALL WHITE AMERICA BUT THE TRUTH IS YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SICK AND NOT THOSE OF US WHO REALIZED THE TRUTH AND HAVE LEFT TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THE BAD AND THE HURT WE CAUSED WHEN WE WERE DECEIVED AS YOU ARE.
Saturnia, my friend thank you for your comment. No matter where our paths lead I will always value our friendship.
I am ashamed of my comments I made as a White Nationalist because I know that they caused others pain. The thing is that in my heart of hearts I didn’t really believe them. Yet, I came to the place where I could say those thoughts out loud. I was so angry then at the world. I was in self-destruct mode. I was so angry with myself, with others, and just life that I allowed hate to enter my heart that not only hurt others but in the end hurt me.
I have been trying to stop the self-destruct mode. I have been trying move forward in life and heal from my past. The truth is I will always have to admit to myself and to the world that I posted hate on the internet. I allowed hate to fill my heart, because I was so angry, hurt, lost, and self destructive. Maybe someday people will realize that I am no longer that same person anymore, but that I am trying to come out of the darkness and into a place where I can make a difference for good in the world.
White Nationalists are terrible people. They prove themselves to be more evil everyday. They like to say they are the most honorable, truthful, and are better than the other races, but the truth is that many times White Nationalists are the most hateful, dishonest, and by their actions prove to the world just how low they are. They like to say how wonderful they treat women, but the truth is that White Nationalists treat women like crap. Time and time again they show how little regard and honor they show for women.
yes, I posted this soap oprea because I thought it was funny, that once again they get so caught up in the drama. Their claim of white unity is just another lie and joke. There is no such thing as white unity.
I broke down yesterday and bought a pack of smokes. I had two last night and I wasn’t going to smoke today as they tasted so bad, but I may just end up smoking more today.
Maybe I will never be able to put the past behind me? Maybe there is no such thing as miracles and people will never understand me or why I have done the things I have done in this life? Maybe people will never give me the chance to overcome my past and find healing, peace and love in the world?
It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter what happens to me. I know I am nothing. There isn’t anything man can do to hurt me. You see if one doesn’t think they are worth anything they don’t think they deserve anything good to happen to them. I am trying to move past this thinking and not just accept the bad in my life. I am making progress in this area. I am not allowing myself to get into relationships with looser men or with White Nationalists anymore. Isn’t it sad that I think I am nothing and think nothing good is going to ever happen to me. Because I have felt that way for years because of the HELL I have been forced to go through I allowed myself to be deceived.
The whole world can hate me, judge me, and think I am evil scum, but I know the truth and the Lord Jesus knows my true heart as well. No matter what the rest of the world thinks of me, I will continue on the path I am on and that is trying to move forward and make a difference for good and fighting against what I consider evil. If I can expose the lies of White Nationalism with the truth, to warn others to not be deceived that White Nationalism is the answer to their problems in life, than I will have done a good deed.
“No matter where our paths lead I will always value our friendship.”
Politics can destroy friendships/relationships, I’m glad you’re at least willing to meet me halfway.
“I am ashamed of my comments I made as a White Nationalist because I know that they caused others pain”
I still don’t believe you caused anyone pain. I’ve never seen anything you’ve ever said as being hateful, you’ve never even used any racial slurs.
I think you’ve been through a lot in your life, and you’re trying to find peace. I think you should ask yourself why once you believed something, you no longer believed. I don’t see you much happier now than when you were a WNist, so I think you should really think about what you’re looking for, in life. Sure, there’s a lot I disagree on; sure, there a lot of assholes in WNism, but what about the friends you’ve made? What about the normal, better people in WNism? What about the things you agreed on? Don’t forget there are bad people in all groups, and you’re likely to fight with, or get hurt by, someone from some other group, and you can’t go jumping from group to group.
I guess they think they’re “in on me” over at SF, and are posting about in SM. I guess they’ll just look at my harsh words, my gripes, and how many times I’ve said I didn’t want anything to do with WNism anymore, and just judge me on that. Oh well. I guess I should know by now that in order to be WN, you can’t have your own thoughts, you can’t have gripes, ass-kiss the “leadership,” and Gods forbid you have any different views on some things. Oh well. They’re going to think what they want, can’t do anything about that. I’m still going to try to help you. I’m not expecting anyone to understand.
Funny, every time I think about leaving and giving it another chance, I end up disappointed. Perhaps, I do need to finally just go. Asking why I post on an anti’s blog is like asking why a woman like myself would want anything to do with WNism, given what many of them think about us and our “place.” I guess I’m always trying to change something, or someone. I think this is just what I needed to finally be pushed away (because Gods know I had a hard time deciding to leave). I think I need to do what I’ve always thought I needed to do, and that is be alone.
I’ll be sure to tell my hot White husband I’m a confused, black-sucking anti, though.
Saturnia,
Don’t let those loosers get to you. I am sorry if they are attacking you because of you posting here. You have to remember that if one doesn’t march lockstep with them and close their eyes to the truth that one is going to be considered a traitor to the cause.
I know you will never understand me. That is ok. Very few people do.
I am still working through my stuff. I am happier in the sense that I know that once I deal with everything, that I will be in a much better place. Instead of holding everything in and and numbing the pain with food or drugs, I am allowing myself to let my feelings out. It is a slow process. I have made an improvement in that I am trying to break the self-destruction. I am making progress as before I would have accepted Crazy Walt and just tell myself that I am nothing and I don’t deserve anything better. Now, I can say NO and stand up for myself and not just accept the loosers in my life. My mom just came in and she had talked to Walt when I was out earlier at another pool, saying he was at the pool and I wasn’t there. I know he is lonely and I have a heart, but I need to focus on what is best for me right now. Giving in and being kind to Walt and trying to solve his problems isn’t going to help me. So yes, it may seem like I am no happier, but in the long run I will be if I can stay on the current course.
I am still going to try and help you too. I don’t expect anyone to understand, that I dont’ turn off friendship like people turn off a light switch. I hope that you will reach the point where you can totally walk away from White Nationalism. You deserve so much better than anything that White Nationalism can offer you. I only what the best for you and your husband. I will always be here for you, if you need anything.
I know that my path is not an easy path, but my life has always been full of struggles. I have always had to march to my own drummer.
Chrisy
In some bizarre, twisted way, I’m kind of relieved that happened. It gave me the motivation to finally “cut the umbilical cord.” Eventually, I’ll find another cause to take up, and I’ll have a “place” in it, as I am, not what someone else wants me to be. Maybe it’ll be something to do with medicine, I can find an alternative cure for diabetes, or cancer. The quack industry will want my head on a pike, but at least there will be many happy and appreciative patients. Maybe I can do something to support local farmers, there sure are plenty of them around here. I just have to think of myself, right now.
As far as marching to your own drummer, I think I have my own orchestra.
My friend,
There is a place for us somewhere in this world. You are smart and educated. You will make a difference for good in the world. There is a place for me too. I have always been good at political activism so who knows what path I will end up on, once I heal and recover from the nightmare I have been living in.
We must find out who we are and not try to be someone else just because we want to fit in. I think that one reason I chose White Nationalism in the first place is because I was lonely, hurting, lost, confused, and they were willing to befriend me.
I was thinking about this since you asked the question. I used to jump around and around because I was searching for something. I don’t want to jump around anymore, but want to find out what I truly believe and not be told what I have to believe. I want to find out who I truly am and not just be who others want me to be so they will be my friend. I don’t want to self-destruct anymore and because I hurt so badly, just allow the loosers into my heart, because I spend all my time and energy trying to fix them and not focus on fixing me.
I am a kind person and I have been thinking about Walt this morning too. My old me would take him in and try to help him because I know he is lonely and has a drinking problem. The thing is that I have been staying clean and being involved with someone who would or could bring pot and other drugs into my life is not good for me. I need to protect myself. I know the White Nationalists would and could use what I say here against me, but I started this journal for my own healing. I am a drug addict. I am clean at the moment, but if someone were to offer me a joint and I were to smoke pot I would not stop just there. I would be right back on the pot. I like pot. I like hash, and I even did Coke in my day. That urge doesn’t go away just because I am clean. I choose to not use drugs today. With Walt and his partying, it would be very self-destructive and no matter how lonely he is and how I want to help him I can’t. He is just as dangerous as allowing Jeff in my life was. I want to heal and move forward in life.
I have never taken the easy way out. I could have left quietly and not have exposed the truth on the White Nationalism, but that wouldn’t have been me. I would have been part of the problem by just keeping silent and not warning women to stay as far a way from White Nationalism as they can. I felt like I had a moral duty to expose them and their lies. I knew they would fight back and they have. I am sorry that you got caught in the crossfire my friend.
The difference between me and White Nationalists is that I want you to be happy. I want the best for you and your husband. I want you to decide for yourself what you believe and whatever choices you decide to make I will support you. That is what true friends do. You have a right to believe and think as you want to do. You have a right to say what you want to say without judgment from me. I allowed you into my heart as a friend and you will always be there. A true friend will never attack you because you are a true friend to someone else.
The really sad thing is as you know I was thinking of what direction I wanted to take this blog. I had deprogramed myself and was looking at focusing more of the new information I was learning and asking what topics people were interested in learning. Instead of focusing on the past, I wanted to use this blog to educate myself and others on topics we wanted to learn about. I was ready to take another step in my journey toward healing.
I don’t know what is going to happen, but you and I must march to our own drumer or in your case the whole band.
Love
Chrisy
I found this little comment. I am posting it here because I want to make a comment. You and your White Nationalist buddies are not very bright are you? Unlike you, I am loyal to those who I hold dear in my heart as a friend.
cougarspeed
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Saturnia, regardless if this “chrisy” was once a WN then left, she shouldn’t be spreading her anti filth throughout the internet via a dedicated sissy blog. She deserves all negative comments directed towards her and for YOU to sympathize with her, regardless if you knew her, is appalling and shameful. I don’t know you nor do I care, but if you left it would not dent the movement. Keep that in mind as you sit on the fence.
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I am saying the truth. You don’t like it because from my nothing little blog I am exposing the truth about White Nationalism. I am exposing the big fat lies that you do what you do out of love and not hate. The truth is that you guys have a goal of an all White Homeland in America and that in order to achieve that goal you are going to have to work within the political system that we have undercover. You can lie and say you are nothing but a White heritiage group but the truth is and even Don Black has said you are political.
Second, I am exposing the truth about your so called leaders. One must not say the truth, in saying that they con people out of money for their own personal use and living. You have leaders who lie, cheat, steal, and are sexual perverted. You have leaders who like little girls sexually. I also know of White Nationalist events where rape was commented and the victims were underage.
Third, I could have taken the cowards way and not speak out and try and warn women to stay as far a way from you White Nationalists and your Cause. Yet, I felt I had a moral duty to speak out. Yes, I could have taken the easy way and not say anything, but I chose to do what I knew was the morally right thing to do, even if I knew I was going to get your wrath. Yes, I copied and pasted and commented on my blog as I was deprograming myself of all the White Nationalist trash I had been programmed to believe. I am finished with that now. I was wondering what direction to take my blog in. I was going to move forward in life and focus more on what I was learning, but you stupid boneheads want to continue to attack not only me, but innocent people who befriended me in life. The person you are attacking is not guilty of anything, yet you show your true colors to the world in your attack of her. You White Nationalists are not only stupid but do terrible and evil things. That is another truth!!!!!!!!
lastly, you White Nationalists have a choice. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ATTACK INNOCENT PEOPLE LIKE MY FRIEND AND HAVE ME FIGHT BACK EVEN HARDER OR YOU CAN BE SMART AND WE BOTH MOVE ON IN LIFE. THE CHOICE IS YOURS. KEEP ATTACKING MY FRIEND AND I WILL CONTINUE TO TELL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UP TO BY EXPOSING YOU ON MY BLOG WITH YOUR OWN WORDS.
MY MONEY IS THAT YOU WHITE NATIONALISTS ARE SO STUIPD THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO ATTACK.
As far as that poster’s comments go, I’m well aware I won’t make a dent in the “movement” upon my leaving, as I didn’t matter, to begin with. I just told myself I mattered. Sit on the fence, interesting. I was actually involved in WNism for a long time. I have no intention of going anti, but I’m not expecting that to sink in to anyone but a few of the more rational people.
I’m amused that I’ve said a lot of what I said here on SF and other forums, and it only became a big deal when someone found pretty much those same comments, here. I suppose sometime soon, another thread about how to get more women in WN is due to pop up; yet, they don’t even question what they do to drive women away. They can talk about me in SM or PM’s where I can’t defend myself, but if only they knew the conversations I have with other SFers who are starting to feel the same way, jaded, and how much they’re starting to think “the movement” is full of shit. Just last night, I was on the phone with a guy from SF who said he was going to leave the WN scene, too. Some women know what’s up, too.
This’ll be the last time I get involved with anything, though. I can’t get along with most people, and I seem to get myself into trouble, often. I made enemies when people found out I was a WNist, and I’ve made enemies now, because I don’t think like everyone else, I think the “leaders” are snake oil salesmen, I don’t believe East European girls should be bought as mail order brides, and I have my own ideas of what my “role” in life is, etc.
All I wanted was to figure out why a couple of my friends went anti, and it just so happened that I don’t blame you/them for doing so for the reasons given, as I had the same gripes. I like to hear people out, especially if I’ve known them. It got blown out of proportion, for the reasons people warned me about when I first got involved in WNism. I didn’t listen.
I don’t wish ill on anyone. I have no place in WN, I just want to do something else with my life, that is all. Not go anti, or anything like that.
I still think there’s some good in WNism, and good people. That is, if the friends I’ve made in WNism even want to be my friends anymore. The friends claim to understand what I’m feeling, but I’m not counting on anyone, at this point. I have plenty of friends around here, and I married the best guy in the world.
This drama will end for me as soon as I click off the Internet. I had quite a day at work, and feeling a little dazed, so I’m going to eat and take a nap. I think I’m going to stay offline, for a while.
Know that I am always here for you, and I will be keeping you and your husband in my prayers. It might not mean anything to you right now, but at least you have me an anti who still is your friend. As much as it hurts now, in the long run it is the best thing that at least you know just how little you and all women mean to White Nationalism and their so called cause.
NO, we didn’t make a dent, because they just went out and got more people to fill our place. The new people will wake up soon enough and leave. Some will leave quietly and just live their own lives, and some will become anti like me and fight them so as to try and stop them from deceiving and hurting other people.
You see I figured out long ago that White Nationalists are cowards. They talk bad behind people’s back and in places were they can’t defend themselves. At least you and I were open with our feelings and we gave White Nationalists a chance to comment and we didn’t take the cowards way out.
There is healing and life after White Nationalism. That is one reason I am now trying to look forward and not look back. I have reached the place in my recovery where I have deprogramed myself of all that trash and I am ready to learn new things and educate myself with truth and grow in knowledge.
I am going to go to the pool myself and relax.
Love
Chrisy
You know, it occurred to me that there have been other WNists that have posted on this blog, and I’ve even seen other WNists at anti sites. I must have touched a few sacred cows, and that’s when the shit hit the fan. Oh well, I’ve never suffered from that group think mentality.
You are right. Other WN’s have posted here and at other sites. I think it is because you shared your honest feelings about things. You touched a few nerves.
You are strong as I am strong. We can take what ever they dish out.
Chrisy
I have been doing more thinking on why the White Nationalists on SF treated you the way they did. They know I have a deep sense of fairness. They know that I think I am nothing so I don’t care what they do to me. Yet, when I see someone who is innocent attacked I will back off to keep them safe. They know if they leave you alone that I will not be so agressive on the attack so that you are not caught in the crossfire.
They seem to have backdown today and the attack thread at least on the main board is silent. I haven’t posted any new thread here so the attacks on you should stop.
My question for you is, would you want to go back to SF after seeing how they used you to get me to back down? As you said other White Nationalists posted here, but you were the one they used to get me to back down because they knew that I wouldn’t back down for myself, but I would back down if they starting attacking someone I consider a friend unfairly because they befriended me.
I am your friend and that is not going to change. I had finished with the deprogramming of myself of the white Nationalist trash and was ready for a change of direction of the blog. Can you really trust White Nationalists? Who do you trust to stand by you in a fight?
I am sorry you got caught up in the crossfire, but I hope it opened your eyes to just how low White Nationalists can be.
Chrisy
I just wanted to add, I got a nice pm from someone on SF. Someone who doesn’t agree with my views but who said they knew I was speaking the truth about how women were treated within the Cause. I told them that they were welcome to post their comments here, but that I would suggest they hide their identity. It is sad, but you White Nationalists wouldn’t want to be attacked for exercising your freedom of speech.
I also said that they were free to comment on the articles I posted here and to comment on what topics they were interested in learning about.
Saturnia, How well do you know American Celtic Scotsman? Do you consider him a friend? Just wondering. I noticed this in his profile:
Today 05:17 AMSaturnia
Don’t feel bad, you’re not responsible for my leaving. My mind and heart were on their way out a while ago, you merely helped finally “cut the umbilical cord.” It’s what I needed to happen, and in some weird way, I thank you for that. I kept coming and going, hanging around and hoping to find some reason to hang on, but always ended up disappointed and angry. I hope you’ll feel better knowing I’ll be much happier, this way.
Thank you for your e-mail address. My husband and I are moving back to NY (I’m actually already here, getting a head start, setting the house up, etc.) and starting a new life. I’ll let you know what goes on with me.
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Now that the attack seems to be over for you, will you go back to SF? That too is just an honest question of wondering. I know you have many of the same views and you have friends there so I am just wanting to know what your plans are regarding being an active member on Stormfront.
ACS really didn’t win anything, as I was starting to move forward anyway and thinking what direction I wanted to take this blog in now that I was finished deprogramming myself from the White Nationalist trash. I don’t respect him and I don’t understand how you can be so friendly with someone who attacked you just the other day for posting here. I stood up and defended you when you were attacked, did you stand up and defend me to ACS? That is just another fair question I think? So your friend didn’t win anything. I am still a fighter and will always fight. I have just changed the method of fighting.
I am actually very excited about the future that seems to be coming down the pike and the new area that I am moving in.
I would hate to see you get hurt my friend by trusting the wrong people. You must make up your own mind, but ACS is not someone who seems trustworthy as he was one of the attackers of you on SF. Do you really trust him? Do you consider him a true friend? Is he someone who is going to fight to protect you in a fight or is he quick to turn on you when he thinks it is in his interest?
I hope you walk away from White Nationalism for good. I am not going to lie to you and pretend that I hope you decide to stay in the White Nationalist cause. I think you and your husband would be so much happier in leaving WN behind you once and for all and starting a new life. I wish you the best, and inspite of everything, I will always help you guys in anyway I can if you ever want to leave WN for good.
Love
Chrisy
“I just wanted to add, I got a nice pm from someone on SF. Someone who doesn’t agree with my views but who said they knew I was speaking the truth about how women were treated within the Cause.”
That’s pretty much what I’ve been doing here, not agreeing with being an anti, but agreeing with some of your angst toward WNism.
“Saturnia, How well do you know American Celtic Scotsman? Do you consider him a friend? Just wondering. I noticed this in his profile”
We talked at SF. We spent some time discussing this whole incident, he wanted to clear everything out, and he insisted I not leave SF, or WN. He felt he was responsible for me leaving, but that actually isn’t the truth. Like I said in his profile, my mind and heart were on their way out a while ago, and this whole drama was just the thing I needed to finally go. It’s true that I don’t want him to feel guilty about my leaving. I’m responsible for all of my actions. I know it may be hard to understand now, but I’m glad it happened, in a way, because it was the push I needed.
“Now that the attack seems to be over for you, will you go back to SF?”
No, my decision is final, on that. At last.
“I stood up and defended you when you were attacked, did you stand up and defend me to ACS?”
If you look in that thread that you found the post you posted here, I said I know you, we have been friends, and I sympathize with your statements about WNism. That’s plain there for everyone to see.
What I said to ACS in a PM is that I wanted to hear you out, that I understood why you went the way you went, and pretty much the same thing I posted a few posts back, that I hoped you could look at the good, and the friends you’ve made you were a WNist. But, I’m not going to change your opinions, as you made it clear you won’t be changed, and I’ll leave it at that. I have no problem accepting you how you are. I didn’t tell anyone anything too personal.
“I hope you walk away from White Nationalism for good.”
That’s been done. Just still a bit dazed from everything, and the finality of it.
“I wish you the best, and inspite of everything, I will always help you guys in anyway I can if you ever want to leave WN for good.”
I appreciate that. I would like to leave this whole drama behind, though.
Thank you for answering my questions. I wish you the best. You deserve to have all the drama behind. I know I want to find peace in life.
I know I am looking forward in the new areas that I am getting involved with. I accept you the way you are too. I don’t judge people, but have friends who we agree to disagree with on topics. You are still in my heart.
I hope you will be happier, now that you have made the final decision. I am happy in the decision I made. I got a call and will be active in my local area doing work on an issue that is very dear to my heart the environment and climate change. You know I like being active in the political area of life, so I will be like a duck who has found a new pond to swim in, lol.
I hope you find what you are looking for in life. I really do.
Love
Chrisy
I forgot to say that ACS apologized for everything, asked that I don’t leave, and then he gave me his e-mail address and said to let him know what was going on with me. That’s what I was responding to in his profile.
I am not going to tell you who you can be friends with. I just wanted to know. I like to know the facts.
That was nice that he said he was sorry. It shows he has qualities of being a real man in that when he is wrong he can say he is sorry. Some men don’t have the courage to admit they are wrong to a woman. So he must not be all bad, lol.
Though I don’t think he and I will ever walk off in the sunset as friends. ROFL, but at least he did right by you so he isn’t as much of a looser as I first thought, lol.
Love
Chrisy
He did do the right thing, and I know he was sincere.
Now, let’s consider this thread, and the drama, over. I want to go out on my back porch, light up a smoke, drink a few, and listen to Janis Joplin. Quite a difference from my usual metal, but I’m in the mood for Janis.
I am listening to the Eagles.
since I have to approve all the comments let’s say this thread is locked, lol.
Hi Chrisy, I am what some would call an anti and I’ve lurked at Sf for years. I came across this thread and am so pleased at what has become of you. God bless you.
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Love,
Thank you for your kind words. I hope you will post often and join the discussion with Garfield who is a White Nationalist who does post here as well.
Best Wishes,
Chrisy
My best wishes go out to Saturnia as well.
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Love,
Saturnia posts here too so she may just comment. I hope all is well with you.
Love, as I stated I hope that you will be a regular poster here on this blog. I started the ring as a place for discussion between anti’s and White Nationalists. I am trying to keep the White Nationalism out of the other parts of the blog and just have the White Nationalism discussion in the ring, but so far it isn’t working out that way. Oh, well.
One of my goals is to learn how to be a better debater for the Progressive side. So I had hoped that more White Nationalists and Antis would talk about the issues and really learn how to be effective debaters. So far Garfield is the only White Nationalist who seems to be willing to actually post here his own thoughts. Right now, I am not feeling very well, so Garfield I am afraid is not getting the attention he deserves. I go for an MRI on Thursday.
“Love, as I stated I hope that you will be a regular poster here on this blog. I started the ring as a place for discussion between anti’s and White Nationalists. I am trying to keep the White Nationalism out of the other parts of the blog and just have the White Nationalism discussion in the ring, but so far it isn’t working out that way. Oh, well.”
LOL!!
Well I do have other matters which concern me you know, I love the outdoors and environment so thats why I post.lol,.
I’m wishing you well for Thursday, considering I can’t pray for you but I truly hope you are ok.
I know what you mean, just yanking your chain, you recovered from the flu bout?
Garfield,
I know you are a guy with many interests and that you value the environment and the outdoors. I don’t want you to feel like you can’t come out of the ring and enjoy the articles, as I wouldn’t want to make you feel like you are restricted to just one area. I want you to feel that you are welcome here, because you are!
I have learned just to take things as they come in life and not get upset over little things. This blog will go in the direction it is meant to go in and I am fine with that.
I am actually happy that you post here on this blog as I do enjoy our discussions. I think you do too, lol. I can respect you for having the courage to comment your thoughts for yourself on this blog.
Thank you for your well wishes for Thursday. The doctor that I have now thinks I may not have Fibro after all but a dislocated rotator chuff in my shoulder as with Fibro that pain doesn’t stay in one place and is not so sharp. I am actually hoping that it is something that can be fixed. Either way, I am sure they will find out what is causing the pain in my left shoulder and upper arm.
It wasn’t the flu. In AZ where I live because of the pollution people have really bad allergies and upper respiratary infections every month. They are trying to find a way where I can keep on top of the allergies here. I didn’t have this problem when I lived in MA. Better air I guess on the South Shore of Boston than here in the pollution of the AZ desert.
I also had an reaction to some of the meds I am on and so I am dealing with that as well. I have been on a lot of meds to try and fight the allergies and fibro and pain and they were starting to react so I am going through that. I am just hoping that it is a dislocated shoulder or something that can be fixed. Or if it isn’t that, that they will find out what it is, because it doesn’t seem to fit the pattern of fibro.
Plus through all this I left so called job. I just want to try and get healthy so I can find something new in my life. I am more than ready to leave the healthcare field behind and to start a new chapter in my life. I actually feel good about leaving Homeinstead and finding something different. They didn’t have the hours I needed and yet, they didn’t have the courage to let me go because they didn’t want me to collect unemployment. They do that in AZ they will keep you on the company books but give you no hours until the person quits. AZ is a right to work state which in reality is a right to screw the worker state. I am ready to have the MRI and see if it is something that can be fixed and start a new chapter in my life.
I’d be more than happy to contribute here. Thanks for the warm welcome!
This blog gives me hope and I enjoyed reading through it while I was working today. I definitely see me being active here as time permits.
Love, I am glad to hear you will be active here. I hope you have a great day. It is Ash Wedesday and I am going to try and go to church.
God Bless.