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I found this post on SF and I just had to post it in my journal and make comments. I would be included in your list of people who you look down on and consider White Trash.
Why is it so important to you to only judge people on the outside and not by what is in their heart?
Don’t you know that all of us get old one day. In my youth I was a belle of the ball, but at 50 I will never be considered a beauty on the outside again. We all get wrinkles and old age comes to us all. We might even put on a few pounds and as you get older it is harder to loose. What do you want to do with the elderly who are no longer beautiful to look at on the outside?
I think most important is that heaven forbid someone has a different political view than you. So all of us who are Liberal, Progressive, or Independent thinkers are held in such low esteem that you consider us trash? Why are you so afraid of anyone who holds a different political view as you, who looks different than you, and who no longer is young and beautiful to look at?
Yes, I am an old hippie who grew up in the Bay Area in the late 60’s. Love, peace, and flower power. Those were the days. I remember the Summer of Love and San Francisco and the feeling that we the youth could make a difference for good in the world. It was a time of hope and vision. We believed in trying to make a better world for everyone.
I just find it interesting that you feel threaten by Hippies when most hippies grew up and lost that idealism we had in our youth.
I also am on the list for my pot smoking. I have news for you those of us who grew up during that time smoked pot. If someone who is a boomer says they never tried pot than there is a good chance that they are not being totally honest with you. I remember in the 70’s walking around Berkely and people smoking joints on the street and people sharing joints with each other. Going to the Peoples park there and just hanging out. At least I am honest and admit, I was a wild one.
At least we hippies had a live and let live attitude. I would rather be an old hippie than to be somone who seems to harshly judge people p>
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Are White Americans worth saving?
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Are White Americans (as a whole) worth saving?
Take a look around you folks, how many White Americans do you interact with everyday? Is it 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100…. more? How many of them would you consider to be stand up, admirable, physically fit, mentally stable, informed, educated, honest, noble White people?
It seems like everywhere I go, I keep running into more and more pathetic Whites (young & old) on a daily basis. I made the mistake of going to Atlantic City over the weekend and here are some of my observations:
- I’ve never seen more 300, 400, and probably 500 pounders in my entire life. I must of saw at least a 100 or so disgustingly obese White people (men & women) with in a two day time period.
- I workout six (6) days a week for about 2 hours everyday and so when I go on vacation I make sure I can workout somewhere. Atlantic City hotels have large, beautiful fitness centers and so on both days I spent about 2 hours or so in the gym. To my astonishment I was the only one in the gym both days. The girl working said that hardly anyone uses the facilities. Depressing to say the least. Then you pass by the buffets and people are stuffing their faces like they’re going to the electric chair. What does this say about America???
- The hotel casino that I was staying at (Trump Plaza) was filled with Mud sharks. White girls (some of them not bad looking) were hanging all over their nigger and spic boy friends, I saw at least a dozen multi-racial couples. All Black apes with White women. To make matters even worse I had some drunk middle-aged guy sit next to me at the poker table who had a black prostitute with him. I almost lost it.
- Other than that I had a great time!
Any how I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is so much White Trash in this country and I’ve hit the tipping point. I’m actually starting to really despise most of my own race. I can’t call myself a racist anymore because I hate a hell of a lot more White people than I do any other race.
My definition of White Trash is the following:
1. Mud sharks
2. Child molesters
3. Dead beat dads
4. Drugs dealers, drug users, and alcoholics
5. Race-less Whites who refuse to have a strong opinion on anything important
6. Hippies
7. Whiggers
8. Metro-sexuals
9. Social-Marxists
10. Anarchists
11. War-hawks and imperialists
12. Anyone who watches more than 5-10 hours of Jewish television a week
13. People who refuse to watch, listen, or read anything that’s educational
14. Neo-Cons
15. Christian Zionists
16. Nordicists, Hitler worshipers, and fans of Himmler
17. Those who define “White” in America as only Anglo-Saxon-Protestant
18. Fanatical Adult sports fans
19. Obese people who continue to stuff their fat faces until they die of heart failure
20. And you can throw 90% of the wwf and NASCAR fans in there as well
I think where its led me to is here: “I think we need to stop blaming the Jews for our current problems” because we bare most, if not all of the responsibility.
David Duke is an intellectual powerhouse for White America and European Civilization. I really respect Duke a great deal not only for his dedication and work but his outreach and friendliness towards Italians/Italy, Spaniards/Spain, and other Southern Europeans as well as his efforts in Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe. I cant tell you how many arguments I’ve had with people on this forum who love to bash Southern Euros but then use our accomplishments and our culture to prove a point or win over an argument with an anti-racist. With that said I think we need to focus more on self-improvement, rather than Israel, Jewish Supremacists, and the Israeli lobby. That’s not to say ignore these issues, but god***, our people are really screwed up!
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Geez, by the time they exclude everyone they don’t want, they won’t have much of a “movement,” OR a society, left.
Comment by Ensifera July 24, 2008 @ 3:10 pmyou got me laughing with that response. Great wit my friend.
Comment by chrisy58 July 24, 2008 @ 7:21 pmThank you. =) It’s really unbelievable. I mean, I wish I could be as perfect as these people, ya know? By some of those standards, I’d definitely be out of their little utopia. Actually, I’m quite sure I don’t fit into their little ideal of what a woman should be, so I’d be burned at the stake. Oh, and since my man and I watch those hour-long HBO mini-series, combined with this one soap opera I watch, and they equal over 5 hours a week, I guess we’re out. I have strong opinions, but they aren’t usually in lockstep with WN-approved jive, so that’s a no-no. Well, I’m not obese and I love to read educational stuff, so I might be redeemed. I’ll just have to hide all of my science fiction and fantasy books.
You know what, screw it all – I’m going to make a little utopia of my own, in my backyard, where only TRULY independent-thinking people are allowed. We’ll take over Coney Island and Lake George, too. We’ll work and exercise during the week, then on the weekends, it’s all fun, partying, loud music, alcohol, and hot guys. We’ll have to make a wall of names of people who won’t be allowed in. Hell, let’s just make a list of people who ARE allowed, it’ll be shorter, and a hell of a lot easier.
I swear, they’re worse than the Police State they seem so paranoid of.
Comment by Ensifera July 25, 2008 @ 5:56 amyes, my friend they are worse than any police state.
Don’t feel bad Jeff used to tell me all the time that rebellion is the sin of witchcraft and therefore I am a witch who needs to be burned at the stake. I was deemed rebellious because I was an strong and independent thinking women who just couldn’t believe all the things I was told and just submit. I don’t think it is to much to expect that a man has to earn my respect and trust before I will submit to him and obey him in all things. For that I was called a man hater who wanted to destroy their manhood.
Do you notice how much they are threaten by the thought of a strong woman? It is like we are just supposed to supress any thought of our own and just parot their approved policiatlly correct White Nationalist thought. It doesn’t matter if one is conflicted inside. We are just to keep sweet which is keep quiet and submit.
Do you know how many times I was told that no man would ever want me? I don’t believe that. I believe out there in the world is a strong, intelligent man who wants a strong woman who is open minded and wants to learn things. Who wants a woman who respects herself enough that she wants any future husband to prove himself to her. I am traditional. I believe because I am strong willed and can be a wild one that I need at least one person in my life who I obey. So yes I will vow someday to obey the right man. I want a protector. I want someone who would keep me safe and the bad people can’t hurt me anymore. When you think of history that is a very tradional role for both men and women. Because I believe in traditonal vows I need to be careful that the man who I give my unconditional love and submit to is worthy of that submission. White Nationalist men demand that submission and respect but do not think they have to earn it.
You and I would have been burned at the stake together my friend as witches, because after all rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft and the Bible says we burn witches. I know if I hadn’t escaped Jeff he would have killed me someday in the name of his God, because he couldn’t keep me around as I was telling people the truth to stay away. I was an independent thinker so therefor rebellious.
I like to watch C-span and C-span2 because I have always liked politics and I want to know what is going on in our government. I consider that education and learning. Since I have to self teach myself that is one tool I use to teach myself about government. So I too would be rejected for the times I have watched the hearings that take place in our Congress.
Comment by chrisy58 July 25, 2008 @ 3:04 pmChrissy, I commented a while back on your blog, I thought you might leave WN, I’m glad you didn’t.
Comment by silentconsort July 26, 2008 @ 5:37 amSilent,
Let me be very clear I am not a White Nationalist. I am an American who loves my country and doesn’t want this country destroyed because of others who would want to deny others their Civil Rights.
Don’t tell me that White Nationalist do not deny others their Civil Rights as I know for a fact that many women and children are treated as second class citizens and as long as they stay sweet (keep quiet and submit) that they are treated with respect, but heaven help them if they do not accept the White Nationalist/CI believes and parrot them like good little brainwashed subjects.
I post WN items because I believe in free speech and I want others to see and hear for themselves what White Nationalists believe.
I believe that it is only through knowledge that we as a nation will keep our freedom. An uneducated and uninformed public is easily deceived.
I believe that Fascism is a growing threat to our country and that when people are hurting and struggling to make ends meat just to survive that they are more open to Fascist ideas. What is Fascism?
Fascism is the totalitarian system of government developed in Italy in 1919 to oppose socialism and communism. The principles of which were adapted by Adolf Hitler and the nazi party to include the concept of racial purity. That is from the Reader’s Digest Great Encyclopedic Dictonary published in 1966.
Comment by chrisy58 July 26, 2008 @ 3:16 pmWhen I ‘knew you’ ,you went by another name ‘CC’, at a WN site. I suppose you lost interest, or though you posted there and attended EURO, but you identify as something other than WN? Just trying to get this straight – necessarily against what we are for, but that is not the main issue for you?
Comment by silentconsort July 29, 2008 @ 6:00 amI stand against White Nationalism because after studying what it is you stand for and meeting first hand many White Nationalists I believe your ideas are harmful to the future of this country. I believe that fascism is a growing threat to this country and White Nationalism is just one part of fascism.
I am an American who loves my country. I want to save this country from continuing the path we are on. A White Nationalist will say I love my race first. My nation is my race. They have no real love for America. Example take David Duke just yesterday I was reading a post of his, because I do have an open mind. I think it is important to know what your enemy is thinking and he was saying he does what he does for the love of his people. Who are his people? It surely is not all Americans is it? Is it only White people he loves? I truly wonder if he even loves America. He talks like he wants Americans to suffer so that white America will wake up and join him. Is that true love for your country in wanting your fellow Americans to suffer hardship so that you profit from their sufferings. That is what I got out of that talk radio show he did no to long ago. I don’t see by his actions that he has any great love for America the land that we were born in. I am sorry I not only do not agree with his views I have no respect for the guy.
This man that so many of you White Nationalists consider the greatest hero and fawn all over him as if he is god himself is a con man who is like the pipe piper is leading people to a path that is only going to destroy them in the end. I feel sorry for many White Nationalists because I think they are being deceived to believe a lie. Yes, I can say that there are many Americans who are being deceived into beliveing a lie. That is what brainwashing is. People can wake up. I woke up and I hope more and more Americans will wake up and start learning for ourselves as Americans the truth on the issues and have a 2nd American Revolution and take our government back for the people. People includes all Americans, so you can see where I do not believe White Nationalism is a political view point that I want to gain controling power in this country.
I am against White Nationalism because I think it goes against everything I was taught as a Catholic. As Catholics we are taught to love all people. White Nationalist only love White people. White Nationalists whine and whine about how they resent any American aide going to help children in Africa or other countries in the third world because those children aren’t White. I have read comments made by White Nationalists that celerbrate the deaths of these children because that is one less non white in the world. I remember when all the loss of life happen on the day after Christmas a few year a go and thousands of people died. White Nationalists were on the internet saying how glad they were that more non whites were no longer in the world anymore. White Nationalists are sick in the head and have so much hate in their hearts that they don’t even see it. Children are children no matter what color they are on the outside. The difference between me and a White Nationalist is I love all children around the world whereas White Nationalists only love white children around the world.
White Nationalists brag about the accomplishments of the White Race. It is one thing to be proud of what one’s ancestors have done and to want to try and make a difference in the world like they did, but it is another thing to pat yourselves on the back and brag about how you did this when it wasn’t you but your ancestor who lived many years ago that accomplished the deed that White Nationalists brag about. It is one thing to back on our ancestors and think if it wasn’t for them this wouldn’t have been a part of our nations history, but it is another thing to brag about your accomplishments and make them seem more important than they are like David Duke. I love Jane Austin. David Duke is like Mr. Wickham. Very charming on the outside, has all the appearance of character but no real character inside.
While Nationalists talk about how great and moral men they are. You have White Nationalists leaders into porn. You have great White Nationalists leaders who go to whore houses and help fund the sex slave trade by going to those houses and paying for the girls services. Do you want to hear about the teen girls that have been ganged raped by White Nationalists at WN events and yet for the sake of your unity everyone keeps quiet. Do you want to know how many women and children are abused in White Nationalist homes? Yes, that is something else we have to sweep under the rug and be quiet because it would hurt the Cause. That great glorious cause that is all based on a lie.
Many WN men don’t even think women should be allowed to vote because WN believe that women are the cause of all the problems in America. If they had their way only women who would vote WN would be allowed to vote. We women worked many years to gain the right to vote and yet we have WN woman who agree with the men that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or have a say in how our government is ran.
Yes, WN can agree with me on some issues such as the Iraq War, George W. Bush, Neocons, and not going to Iran but that does not make me a White Nationalist!!!!!
I plan to start living life and moving out of the darkness into the light. I am going to find happiess in life. I am a good person inside and I deserve better. I still have a lot to learn. A whole new world is opening up to me and I am seeing thing clearly for the first time in many years.
You all can deny the hate all you want but you preach a message of hate. You hate Liberals, Blacks, Mexicans, Women who want to be treated like human beings, Asian, Jews, Catholics who believe in the social gospel.
I think that WN know that there is something very wrong with the government and the direction this country is taking. I think a lot of Americans are waking up. The problem is that the reason that you give as being the cause of what is wrong in this country is false and keeps people from finding the truth. We are fighting for the survival of our beloved America. I love America.
I am an American who loves my country. To you White Nationalists you are fighting for the survival of your race. You love your race. You are White and you love your race. Your nation is your race. What is your slogan White Pride World Wide. You are willing for Americans to suffer so that they will be so desparate that they will join you in your hate of other Americans who are not like or who hold Liberal and Prgressive views or Independent Thinkers who want to hear the stroy from the left hand side of the poltitical spectrim of thought.
Do you see the difference in motivation on why we are fighting to save our country? We are not even fighting for the same country. You can deceive people and say you are fighting for America, fried chicken and apple pie like speeches, but in your heart you are not fighting for the America that my Ancestors fought and died for during the American Revolution. No, I do not believe David Duke and White Nationalists love America at all. I know my ancestors fought for the Union who believed that all Americans should be freed. I know to you White Nationalists you believe America is only White America. How many times have you posted that America was founded by Whites only for Whites. No, that is just another lie. Like a strong Buell women who lived before who was determined to have Thanksgiving declared a National Holiday and asked President Lincoln to do that. She was the first lady editor of a lady’s magzine I can make a difference too. Since I live in a different century the enemy I am fighting is a different enemy but than again maybe it is the same enemy because even though we are in the 21st century we are still having to fight fascism and men trying to deny others their God given rights.
Look I believe we go through all things for a reason. We learn from the bad as well as the good. We learn from our mistakes. There is knowledge to be gained in all that we do and all that happens to us. If I hadn’t gotten involved with Jeff and WN I wouldn’t have realized the truth that Fascism is the real enemy of freedom and truth in this country.
So we get back to the question I have been thinking about lately and that is fascism. What is fascism and is fascism a growing threat in this country? Have fascists taken over the reign of government? I have the moral imperative to stop what I feel is a real threat to my country. I am a American Patriot like my New England Ancestors before me.
I feel like I have spent to many years in a trance. I was woken up from the trance and am finding my way home again. I will make it home and I will make a difference in this world for good.
I want to shine the light on WN so that hopefully others will not be fooled into thinking that White Nationalism is the answer to solving the many problems that America is facing today.
No, I am not a White Nationalist!!!!!! I will continue to shine the light and post WN items that I think the American people should see or hear for themselves so they can make up their own mind.
I have never tried to influence people but I always try to provide people with all sides of the story so they can see the truth for themselves and make up their own mind. So yes there will be WN items on this site, but it does not make me a White Nationalist.!!!!!!!!!
Comment by chrisy58 July 29, 2008 @ 2:17 pmChris, First I want to thank you for your answering me, and not just deleting me or telling me off with a one-liner. It is appreciated.
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Mia: Hmm. I am not sure I see the fascism part from your point of view, but perhaps from mine, I certainly do in what has been foisted upon us. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
1 : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality-
I can’t say as I see the first definition as it applies to race. As far as oppressing the individual, that part – loss of freedom, some groups being targeted, some not, other groups being financed, protected and made excuses for. Forced multi-culti & ‘Equal Acceptance’ could be a form of fascism.
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Mia: The USA was a conglomeration of people, laws, precepts and ideologies that are for the most part being pulled apart. They are not following what the constitution was about. They (we) are not applying it to their own.
Most importantly, your people , the nation you love so much,are YOU, meaning your ancestors, from the looks of you, probably people who have been here a lot longer than mine. The USA was the way it was because of your people. How can you love one thing and not the other when one is dependent on the other existing?
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Mia: I don’t believe someone would throw away a life in politics in the mainstream, a regular life in the mainstream for something they didn’t truly believe in. I don’t know that this allegation of WNs “fawning” over this person or that is altogether true. When he started, the country was not quite as bad off as it is now. I can see how easily he could become disillusioned and want to retire, but he doesn’t. You say “leading people to a path that is only going to destroy them in the end.”
Well, that’s what many WN believe the government and foreign policy is doing to us. I don’t want my sons, one almost of age, to die in a illegitimate war. Or any war for that matter. I also don’t want their lives to be sacrificed in a different way, their opportunities shunted aside by non merit-based policies, their daily life possibly endangered, their minds influenced by what is on TV, and other kids who have bought into the ‘wigger/thug MTV mentality’.I don’t want their work replaced by illegals. I don’t want them shot in a drive-by. Compared to those things and much more, I can’t see whatever DD has done, whatever his faults (and not having the claim to being a perfect person myself, I can’t very well throw stones at others).
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Being a parent is what led me to WN. For the record, I was raised Greek Orthodox, unsure how similar that is to modern Catholicism , though I was told it was recognized by the Catholic church. That said, I can say I didn’t get my definition of love from the bible or church. I learned most about love from my children. One of the first things I learned was about protection. One wants to protect what they cherish. One does not want to see what they love hurt or destroyed, made to suffer. One will put oneself aside to a large degree, for the good of whom they love. Loyalty to whom you are closest to is not a bad thing. As far as the things people say that offend your sensibilities, many WN don’t care for this kind of talk either- but people are angry Chrissy, and with that anger comes the harsh words, the verbal cruelties.
That said, I don’t believe we are responsible for everyone in the world, that Whites have this Noblesse Oblige to never-endingly replace the brick in the dike, when the flood never stops coming. Have we made such a dent in those countries? WN would want them to be able to run their own countries, help or no, but stay there. If their own countries began to flourish , under their own doing, great. If they are a people so backward and savage they cannot rise to the level of basic civilization, we have to ask ourselves, do we want them here?
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Mia: Yes I have heard the stock ‘You didn’t invent anything yourself, You didn’t discover a continent’ etc argument against ethnic pride and loyalty. We do have this pride, because we are usually the only ones who DO continue to discover and innovate, create. Of course we don’t know which one of us it will be, and the odds are against every single one of us being a brilliant scientist, engineer, inventor, or even singer or artist. The point being, it is certain to be one of US. Also, I believe in what some have described as racial memory, that it is something in the DNA or blood, and we can be sure that if there is something found that we have a little extra of, we will not hear about it any time soon- but I do believe it is there. No arguments of ‘oh well then how are blood transfusions able to happen if your blood is different?” or “how are different races able to have children if we are so different” can sway me away from this belief. Now , automatically, when one hears this, the ’supremacist!’ allegations begin.
Having a special marker or added oomph to one’s DNA would be science , not ’supremacist’ -like being short or tall, it is a combination of your parents, the interaction of your parents genes and the luck of the draw with external factors- but in my belief it is not mostly external factors as the liberal types say, I think it is mostly genetics. How else can we account for the many talents out there that came from grinding poverty and abusive families that still went on to greatness? Some describe autism as not manifesting at birth but having a genetic component that takes effect in the early years. I believe we have something not deleterious like autism, but it is there in most of us, a potential- some have it in large doses, some smaller. As I said, I don’t think if this IS already known, it will make the news.
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Mia:
Many women and children living in White Nationalist households are being abused and no one does anything because after all the man is the head of woman and he has absolute power to treat his property any way he wants. Many WN men don’t even think women should be allowed to vote because WN believe that women are the cause of all the problems in America. If they had their way only women who would vote WN would be allowed to vote. We women worked many years to gain the right to vote and yet we have WN woman who agree with the men that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or have a say in how our government is ran.
Yes, WN can agree with me on some issues such as the Iraq War, George W. Bush, Neocons, and not going to Iran but that does not make me a White Nationalist. I still have a lot to learn. A whole new world is opening up to me and I am seeing thing clearly for the first time in many years. I was brainwashed for many years because the only message I heard for many years was White Nationalist and full of hate. You all can deny the hate all you want but you preach a message of hate. You hate Liberals, Blacks, Mexicans, Women who want to be treated like human beings, Asian, Jews, Catholics who believe in the social gospel and don’t like the direction the church has taken in regards to certain issues and make the Catholics in our church who see things a little different feel guilty or tell them outright they are in sin because they supported a candidate who didn’t vote to outlaw abortion or who would be part of a party that has the right to a save medical procedure (abortion) on their platform.
I think that WN know that there is something very wrong with the government and the direction this country is taking. I think a lot of Americans are waking up. The problem is that the reason that you give as being the cause of what is wrong in this country is wrong and you keep people from finding the true source of the rot and that is allowed to grow in power. We are fighting for the survival of our beloved America. I love America. I am an American who loves my country. To you White Nationalist you are fighting for the survival of your race. You love your race. You are White and you love your race.
Do you see the difference in motivation on why we are fighting to save our country?
Look I believe we go through all things for a reason. We learn from the bad as well as the good. We learn from our mistakes. There is knowledge to be gained in all that we do and all that happens to us. If I hadn’t gotten involved with Jeff and WN I wouldn’t have realized the truth that Fascism is the real enemy of freedom and truth in this country.
So we get back to the question I have been thinking about lately and that is fascism. What is fascism and is fascism a growing threat in this country? Have fascists taken over the reign of government?
I feel like my last 20 years have been one that I have spent much of it in a trance. I was woken up from the trance and am finding my way home again. I want to shine the light on WN so that hopefully others will not be fooled into thinking that White Nationalism is the answer to solving the many problems that America is facing today.
No, I am not a White Nationalist!!!!!! I will continue to shine the light and post WN items that I think the American people should see or hear for themselves so they can make up their own mind.
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Chris, First I want to thank you for your answering me, and not just deleting me or telling me off with a one-liner. It is appreciated.
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Mia: Hmm. I am not sure I see the fascism part from your point of view, but perhaps from mine, I certainly do in what has been foisted upon us. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
1 : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality-
I can’t say as I see the first definition as it applies to race. As far as oppressing the individual, that part – loss of freedom, some groups being targeted, some not, other groups being financed, protected and made excuses for. Forced multi-culti & ‘Equal Acceptance’ could be a form of fascism.
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Mia: The USA was a conglomeration of people, laws, precepts and ideologies that are for the most part being pulled apart. They are not following what the constitution was about. They (we) are not applying it to their own.
Most importantly, your people , the nation you love so much,are YOU, meaning your ancestors, from the looks of you, probably people who have been here a lot longer than mine. The USA was the way it was because of your people. How can you love one thing and not the other when one is dependent on the other existing?
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Mia: I don’t believe someone would throw away a life in politics in the mainstream, a regular life in the mainstream for something they didn’t truly believe in. I don’t know that this allegation of WNs “fawning” over this person or that is altogether true. When he started, the country was not quite as bad off as it is now. I can see how easily he could become disillusioned and want to retire, but he doesn’t. You say “leading people to a path that is only going to destroy them in the end.”
Well, that’s what many WN believe the government and foreign policy is doing to us. I don’t want my sons, one almost of age, to die in a illegitimate war. Or any war for that matter. I also don’t want their lives to be sacrificed in a different way, their opportunities shunted aside by non merit-based policies, their daily life possibly endangered, their minds influenced by what is on TV, and other kids who have bought into the ‘wigger/thug MTV mentality’.I don’t want their work replaced by illegals. I don’t want them shot in a drive-by. Compared to those things and much more, I can’t see whatever DD has done, whatever his faults (and not having the claim to being a perfect person myself, I can’t very well throw stones at others).
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Being a parent is what led me to WN. For the record, I was raised Greek Orthodox, unsure how similar that is to modern Catholicism , though I was told it was recognized by the Catholic church. That said, I can say I didn’t get my definition of love from the bible or church. I learned most about love from my children. One of the first things I learned was about protection. One wants to protect what they cherish. One does not want to see what they love hurt or destroyed, made to suffer. One will put oneself aside to a large degree, for the good of whom they love. Loyalty to whom you are closest to is not a bad thing. As far as the things people say that offend your sensibilities, many WN don’t care for this kind of talk either- but people are angry Chrissy, and with that anger comes the harsh words, the verbal cruelties.
That said, I don’t believe we are responsible for everyone in the world, that Whites have this Noblesse Oblige to never-endingly replace the brick in the dike, when the flood never stops coming. Have we made such a dent in those countries? WN would want them to be able to run their own countries, help or no, but stay there. If their own countries began to flourish , under their own doing, great. If they are a people so backward and savage they cannot rise to the level of basic civilization, we have to ask ourselves, do we want them here?
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Mia: Yes I have heard the stock ‘You didn’t invent anything yourself, You didn’t discover a continent’ etc argument against ethnic pride and loyalty. We do have this pride, because we are usually the only ones who DO continue to discover and innovate, create. Of course we don’t know which one of us it will be, and the odds are against every single one of us being a brilliant scientist, engineer, inventor, or even singer or artist. The point being, it is certain to be one of US. Also, I believe in what some have described as racial memory, that it is something in the DNA or blood, and we can be sure that if there is something found that we have a little extra of, we will not hear about it any time soon- but I do believe it is there. No arguments of ‘oh well then how are blood transfusions able to happen if your blood is different?” or “how are different races able to have children if we are so different” can sway me away from this belief. Now , automatically, when one hears this, the ’supremacist!’ allegations begin.
Having a special marker or added oomph to one’s DNA would be science , not ’supremacist’ -like being short or tall, it is a combination of your parents, the interaction of your parents genes and the luck of the draw with external factors- but in my belief it is not mostly external factors as the liberal types say, I think it is mostly genetics. How else can we account for the many talents out there that came from grinding poverty and abusive families that still went on to greatness? Some describe autism as not manifesting at birth but having a genetic component that takes effect in the early years. I believe we have something not deleterious like autism, but it is there in most of us, a potential- some have it in large doses, some smaller. As I said, I don’t think if this IS already known, it will make the news.
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Mia: I have not heard these awful stories. I have attended WN events, even stopped by at a camp out years ago which included the rougher elements of WN,invited by a female acquaintance, and did not see any of what you are describing. If anything , they seemed somewhat chastened and shy by having someone technically old enough to be their mother around. Most WN have treated me decently. That said, they are still men. Some mature, some not. I think we might be confusing politics with moral character. We would like to believe that all live up to the things they espouse, but we can watch the news and find quite often find that politicians have the same foibles as the rest of us. And like it or not, they are most probably going to continue to do so.
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Mia: Chrissy, do you really believe they actually act in real life the way they post? It is possible the ones that post the most like such are in actuality the most whipped.It is highly unlikely anyone is going to take the vote from us . We’re too reliable for believing media hype, we are valuable to the side you now claim to represent, because of our very nature.
I also don’t think being the head of the household is a bad thing if one does not abuse his power or make random, irrational decisions. These days being the head of a household is considered another responsibility men don’t want. They’d rather HAVE a mommy than BE a daddy, let alone lead anything. Ok , you say ” head of woman”- now I am not super religio-knowledgeable but i have read this much. The man is subject to God, the woman subject to him- that’s how it goes as far as biblical, no? Well, if the man is truly subject to God, is he going to act to harm her, is he going to be out for her destruction? No. That said , if a man is not answerable to God, or at least have something guiding his actions besides his amygdala, than there are going to be some problems.
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Mia: me too (re a lot to learn, but what I have learned only reinforces and deepens my understanding of the situation)
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Mia: I’m not a hateful soul. I don’t treat people badly by default regardless of whether I think they should be here . I fully admit slavery was a very bad idea.
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Mia: I don’t know that so many WN have anything against the Catholic religion per se.
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Mia: OK so enlighten us , if it isn’t all the things we claim, then what is it?
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Mia: Correct me if I’m wrong, but you look White to me- America was founded by, and the Constitution was written for Whites at the time. Blacks, although they certainly contribute to a lot of crime and violence a la Channon Christian, they most certainly wouldn’t be here if it weren’t at least in part by the White man. Illegal aliens are another story entirely.
But tell me, Chrissy, why would you NOT be in favor of the survival of your race? Is it because people who don’t have kids don’t worry so much about everything going to hell in a hand basket? Is it all about ‘going along to get along’? We are vilified as ‘haters’ because we want a lot of the things most normal Whites want: Safe places to live, decent schools, not having to pay out for section 8, food stamps and free medical care, while sucker White American workers slave away, many not able to make their mortgage or pay for health care for their kids, many times both parents working, and still not being able to make it. That’s certainly not equal and fair, is it?
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Mia: What I see is you have for whatever reason, given up on us, us being your fellow Whites, but more specifically WNs. I don’t get how you went to WN events, posted on SF, etc., but didn’t consider yourself ‘one of us’.
Are you sure this isn’t because of this Jeff guy- that he has soured you on the whole thing? There is a huge continuum that encompasses Nationalism- maybe you were just on the wrong end of it for your type?
Look I believe we go through all things for a reason. We learn from the bad as well as the good. We learn from our mistakes. There is knowledge to be gained in all that we do and all that happens to us. If I hadn’t gotten involved with Jeff and WN I wouldn’t have realized the truth that Fascism is the real enemy of freedom and truth in this country.
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Mia: As I said before, it seems you have ‘locked on’ to these certain phrases or this concept of ‘fascist’ or something akin to Big Brother and have run with it. Right now our country certainly is NOT fascist, except in the sense we mentally have become ‘owned’ by the Zionist power structure to be afraid to speak out minds, to say ‘Hey! That’s not cool, that’s usury, that’s STEALING from regular White people just trying to have a decent life. And it is stealing, because it is massively taking away from our beliefs, our peace of mind, our safety, our general quality of life. Tell me you would want to live in a minority White neighborhood and feel good about that and not feel afraid of being assaulted, jumped, whatever-At least WN people ADMIT we feel these things, unlike the ‘rainbow on the outside, taser and weapon on the inside’ crowd.
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Mia: Maybe it wasn’t a trance, maybe you just want to do other things besides politics. Like I said, if you don’t have kids that you are constantly worrying about and taking care of, if it is not just ‘all about you’, these worries are very real and concrete, not just vague patriotic phrases which anyone can say and come off like a commercial for the USA. I’m sure it is easier just to smile and pretend you like everyone or try to pray the bad stuff away- If you think we don’t have the right answer, than who does? You think making things more and more multi-culti, ‘tolerant’, actually forcing these things upon us, you think that makes things better? It may make it better for THEM, but certainly not for us. It’s like a one-way relationship, we do all the caretaking and giving, and the others take, take , take.
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Mia: Shine what light? You speak in the language of TV, of 48 hours, as if you were doing a documentary, expose, or dossier on WN. Sure, go ahead and post whatever, but at least try to cover stuff from more than the one little slice you may have have seen. Don’t go against your own beliefs, include a vast cross-section of WN stuff and challenge it , if you can. Taking a snippet from only one piece of the pie is not representative of ALL WN. I’m sure you do have a good heart, don’t waste it on trying to be like a nancy grace type pitted against WNs. If you are involved in a church, you can take your abilities and skills and help your fellow Catholic. Yeah , I know that you will say that is not racial, la di da, etc., but helping your own is a form of loyalty, whether it be race or religion. Perhaps you found the time you spent around WN unrewarding, and I can see that, you seem like prob a nice person, someone who could be trusted to feed one’s cats while away , who wouldn’t burn the place down or steal- WN is an uphill battle on a very steep hill, and often fraught with danger, backstabbing, heartache, disappointments- but we do it because we really do believe in it- we believe that the things I mentioned are not incidental to race, but there is a cause>>effect, that race, at least as it stands in the present evolutionary climate is responsible for those things either continuing to grow and flourish or be cut down, trampled, and destroyed. I will continue to check your blog, and again, thank you for the opportunity to express my POV , even as it differs from yours-
Comment by silentconsort August 2, 2008 @ 10:02 amkind regards,
Mia
note: Chissy- I tried to reply to you using our names and the old internet quote style of posting, and it may have made it unclear who said what, so you might want to add in your name to the stuff you said- sorry for that- was not intentional!
Comment by silentconsort August 2, 2008 @ 10:08 amMia,
I think you are a good person with a good heart. You are a good women who loves your family and that is a good thing. I am not your enemy even though I don’t agree with your views. I hope I am not your enemy either.
I actually hold very traditional views regarding marriage. I want the old fashion views of a husband who will love, honor and protect me. I will vow to love, honor and obey him. Yes, I will vow to obey someone because I know that there should be at least one person in this world who can reign me in when I get to out of control and wild.
Because I want old fashion vows I have to make sure the man who I give my unconditional love and submit to is worthy of that submission. HE has to prove to me that he is strong enough to deal with my past. I know that marriage is a team. There is only one quarter back but every team member is important to the winning of the game.
Women have so many choices. I was just talking with a friend last night. She said she wouldn’t want a man who she would have to obey but wanted to be equal. That is her choice. I don’t think it is right that women are made to feel guilty if they want more in life than being a wife and mother.
I may not agree with what you have to say but I will fight for your freedom to say and believe what you want to believe.
Just because I am not a White Nationalist doesn’t mean I want my race to die. That seems to be a common mindset of White Nationalists that anyone who isn’t a White Nationalist is anti white.
I have seen many sides of White Nationalism and not just the CI part. I make my judgements based on first hand knwoledge. These are not just men who post on the internet who abuse women and have low moral character but WN men who I have met in real life and have seen their intimation. I am not saying all White Nationalist men are like that because I did meet some really nice men who love women who treat women with respect.
We get into the America was founded by Whites for Whites that White Nationalists believe in. That is not the truth. It wasn’t only White people who fought in the American Revolution. I am DAR which means that any woman whose ancestors fought in the American Revolution can join. We have Black women whose Black ancestors fought also. We have Jewish women whose ancestors fought in the American Revolution too. America was never just an all white country that you White Nationalists claim. You take quotes from Thomas Jefferson re-word it to make it seem like he was a White Nationalists when if Thomas Jefferson was alive would condemn White Nationalism and fight against it. I hate how White Nationalists distort American history so as to deceive people that our American Patriots were White Nationalists and only fought for White people. That is a lie. Your Cause is based on a lie and not the truth.
I love children and I fight for the issues that are important to me because I love and want them to have a future. Even your Liberals, Progressives and independent thinkers want to live with their families in a safe community with good schools, little crime, and building a community where we look out for one another. We all want to protect our families and friends from harm. White Nationalists are not the only ones who love their children and don’t want them to fight in this war. I know many Progressive mothers who do not want their children over there and are standing up and making their voices heard. To imply only White Nationalists stand up and oppose this war is wrong. The Iraq War, torture, War Crimes are very important to Liberals, Progressives and Independents.
I believe fascism is growing in this country. I believe White Nationalism is just one part of that fascism. Multi-national corporations who have gained power in joining the corporate interests with the government is also fascism.
David Duke is the pipe piper. Yes, he has his followers. Yes, people worship him like he is the great kahuna who whatever he says must be right because the great David Duke said it. If he said the sky is yellow they would believe him without any of them standing up to him and say no the sky is blue.
Who is the real David Duke do you know? Is it the guy who was in the KKK and wore a nazi uniform at the 68 democratic convention. Is it the guy on a talk radio show not to long ago said that he wants Americans to suffer so that White Americans will join him. David Duke is a con man.
Tell me what great Political achievements did he make as state rep? What Bills did he introduce, fought for and were made into law? He is a braggart!!!! HE brags about all these accomplishments that he has supposely done yet what has he really accomplished? I don’t think a moral man takes money from his supporters for his work and spends it on whores and gambling. Oh, he made up some excuse how it wasn’t true, but it is true because it was very well documented. He even went to prision. I know he says he was a political prisoner and it wasn’t true, but facts speak differently of what he did with supporters money that was sent to him.
Tell me if he loves America so much why doesn’t he live here anymore. He just loves Americans sending them their hard earn money every month. The only thing David Duke cares about is how much money he can con people into sending him.
Yes, David Duke is not the person behind the mask he wears.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree regarding White Nationalism.
I am not trying to be Nancy Grace, but I do want people to see the truth about White Nationalism by allowing them to read and hear for themselves what WN believe and say. I believe in free speech and believe that people need to make up their own mind. Not everyone is going to see things the way I do and then again some people will also think that White Nationalism is a political view that they do not want to gain power in this country.
People in this country are going to have to start educating ourselves on the issues. We are not getting the truth from our press. It is not a Liberal press as people on the right like to say but a corporate press who doesn’t feel they have a responsiblity to the public to make sure they have a free press but a media corporation who only cares about the shareholders and how much profit they make. We might be able to discuss who owns those large corporations.
Comment by chrisy58 August 2, 2008 @ 3:09 pm