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Let us not allow Outsiders to stir up Trouble

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=482585

This thread was started 4/17/2008

This is over a year old and someone posted this on Stormfront.  I did follow their link to the SPLC site and it was in the issue for Summer 2007. 

Why Stormfront would respost it on their site is a good question.  Maybe it is to get us Catholics to think that the world and groups like the SPLC think Catholics and those of us who hold to traditional values are racist.  Maybe you think that by making Catholics think that our church is racist since we are Catholic we should just accept we are racist and therefore join you?  Maybe you want us Catholics to think Stormfront is pro Catholic, but I have seen enough anti-Catholic posts on White Nationalists boards to know that White Nationalists are no friends of Catholics.

I think it is terrible that the SPLC would resort to fabricating stories about a group of Catholic Monks and Sisters.  Did you talk about all the good they have done in the community?  Does this mean that to you that any group of people who are pro-life are racist?  Don’t you realize that your putting all Pro-life Catholics into a group you label as racist is going to hurt you? 

There is enough racism in this country without you at the SPLC making up stories about a Catholic Community.

Did you ever think that by making it sound like Catholics who are pro-life and hold traditional values as racists that you are playing into the hands of White Nationalists who want to add to their numbers?  I can hear them say now.  To the rest of the world you are racist so you might as well join us.  You are one of us.  I think that is why this was reposted on Stormfront to make it an issue.

To my fellow Catholics I think that both the SPLC and Stormfront is wrong on this.  SPLC for their role in making it sound like a group of Catholics are being racist when they are not and are serving their community and Stormfront for trying to take advantage of what the SPLC did to get Catholics to think that anyone who is pro-life and holds traditional values is a racist like them and so they should just join them.

We Catholics are not racist like you people at Stormfront.  You are neo nazis who even though you say you are American Patriots honor Adolf’s Hitler’s birthday.  Which one is it?  You act like you are American Patriots and love America with your Thomas Jefferson banner but yet you admire Hitler and the Third Reich on your website too.

You blast our Pope for his message because you don’t like what he has to say, yet at the same time you make it sound like you are pro catholic.  Yet this story is over a year old so what is your purpose in bringing this up now in April 2008?

You blast our church because you don’t like our stand on Immagration and wanting to treat all people with compassion.  Why should I believe all the sudden that you White Nationalists on Stormfront are pro-Catholic and really care?  I think you are using this to try and mislead my fellow Catholics into thinking that you are on our side.  You White Nationalists are not on our side and we don’t want your help.

I would think that this Catholic Commuinity is not happy that you White Nationalists on Stormfront have brought this out on your website.  They may not know, but if they did know I know that they would condemn you for trying to make this an issue again.

You don’t really care about this community of Catholic Priest, nuns, and brothers.  You don’t really care about this small Catholic school.  All you care about is using this group as an issue to mislead fellow Catholics to think that White Nationalists really care and to use this to draw people and money to your Cause..

People who are not Catholic do not fully understand our faith or our church.  People have been misjudging us Catholics for years.  We still have people who don’t think Catholics are truly Christian or any other misleading idea that is put forward.

I remember growing up in California that Father Enzie told me when I asked him why so many people didn’t like Catholics and said bad things about us; that he told me it is because they are from the outside looking in and they don’t understand the truth about our beliefs or our church.  I adored Father Enzie and learned so much from him.

The people at the SPLC do not know the truth about Catholics or this community.  They are playing into the Catholic hatred and lies that are being told about Catholics and our church.  Stormfront on the other hand is bringing this issue up to the forefront after 1 year.  WHY?

What is worst?  To make false statements about a Catholic Community because you don’t have all the facts and are on the outside looking in as Father Enzie explained to me or Stormfront who would want to toss oil on the fire to make Catholics in an uprage so as to draw on that anger to bring Catholics into the White Nationalist Cause over this?  I think Stormfront is worst.

Yes, the word racist does get tossed around to easy these days.    I believe the truth always comes out, and if both SPLC and Stormfront want to misrepresent the facts so as to benefit them than I think both groups are wrong.  I would hope that good people would stand up and not support any group who misrepresent and lie so as to get what they want.

This is a good community who has a wonderful website and does much good in their community. If I was a young woman I would want to join them. They don’t want an old 50 year old like me. I don’t understand why the SPLC would lie about this good Catholic Community, but again, I guess it goes back to what Father Enzie said, they don’t understand because they are not part of the Catholic Church.

I will continue to support my church.  If that makes me an evil racist to the SPLC than I am an evil Catholic Racist.  If it makes me a traitor to my race because I support the Pope and my Church in their stand on Immagration and treating all people with compassion than I am a race traitor.

You see the church has always had to fight.  I think of the verse of upon this rock I will build the church.  Storms will come upon it but the church will stand.  The Catholic Church will continue to stand and be a voice within our communities.  Our Pope will continue to be a voice of reason and compassion, love and understanding in this world.

I really liked the letter and made some really good points.  Hopefully this small community was able to work out the problems without having outsiders come in on both sides and stir up trouble. I believe that God worked things out for the good. I just hope that Stormfront will not be allowed to stir things up again. I have to believe that God will not allow that to happen.

We need to remember to show love and understanding. 

I wanted to repsond on my journal of thoughts to this Stormfront post, because I think it is terrible that White Nationalists on SF would try and bring up this old story and use it to flare up anger and tensions that I hope have been resolved.

I am angry.  I am working on my anger problems and I am doing much better.  This journal is my online journal of thoughts. I am happy that we don’t have much readership, lol.

Let us love each other and all human beings as Christ loves us.

Christine Cosser

 

Here is their website:
http://www.catholicism.org/home.html

Wednesday, August 8, 2007

An Open Letter to Richmond Residents

Feast of Saint Dominic
August 4, 2007

Dear Neighbors,

For a while now I have been wanting to address you regarding the controversy which has surrounded Saint Benedict Center’s plans to erect another building on our property. Recent events have reminded me that it is necessary to do this sooner rather than later.
With this letter I extend an olive branch to all our neighbors, whether you are in favor of our building project, against it, or are indifferent to it.

First, I would like to say that I’m very sorry that our attempt to build a 10,300-square-foot school and chapel has occasioned bad feelings in the community. This was certainly not our intention. We have lived at peace in this town for almost twenty years now and we intend to remain here in peace.

Nevertheless, there is something else at work. In an effort to oppose our project, some folks have tried to “stir the pot.” They have made very ugly and defamatory accusations regarding SBC and the families who worship here. Even friendly bystanders who do not practice our religion have been caught in the crossfire.

We are very sorry that some Richmond residents have had their peace disturbed, but we had no way of knowing that a handful of opponents would resort to these tactics.

The situation has escalated to the point that a nationally-known organization, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), has run an article on it in their publication, Intelligence Report. This article has been circulated around town. I have already responded to it on our web site (www.catholicism.org), but I will make some brief comments on it here.

The SPLC is well known for profiling organizations as “hate groups.” They started during the civil rights movement, by going after racist groups like the KKK and similar organizations. But then they moved on to other territory, making a lot of money in the process. As part of their multi-million-dollar annual business, they label many conservative, pro-family, and pro-American organizations as intolerant extremists. They very often create controversy where there is none, as when they portrayed the movie series, “The Lord of the Rings,” as racist propaganda. Americans on both the political left and the political right have questioned the SPLC’s credibility.

The story they ran on SBC included serious misquotations, non-factual statements, and untruthful rumors. A layman who comes to our chapel was accused of making the despicable statement that “Jews should be dealt with using ‘blood and terror if it’s required.’” This is a libelous claim. The vile quotation was fabricated.

The article also reported the unfounded rumor that people “heard the sound of automatic weapon fire at SBC on a regular basis.” SBC is a monastery, not a shooting range; we have no automatic weapons. This claim is untrue, as are numerous others calculated to make us look like a dangerous cult.

What got left out of the article is what we actually do in the community, like visiting the elderly in nursing homes, helping disabled neighbors with their firewood, sponsoring a Boy Scout troop, teaching children in our school, training altar boys to serve Mass, and entertaining people with wholesome, family fun at our annual festival. As a service to the community, we also typeset and helped publish two books on Richmond’s history: The Town in the Forest: Life Story of Richmond, New Hampshire, by Neith Boyce and The Only Mill in Town: The Story of the Pail-Making Industry in Richmond, New Hampshire, by Richard A Martin. We rendered these services for free.

Many of you have visited here and know us, or you know families who worship here. You know that these defamatory claims portray us in a very false light — as we were able to show in the detailed refutation on our web site. It is a terrible shame that outsiders based in Alabama, people who do not know us and who made no effort to interview us for their article, have attempted to stir up trouble in our small New Hampshire community.

That said, we bear no grudge against those who were quoted in the article. Neither do we hold it against people if they oppose our building project for one reason or another. Contrary to what the article claimed, we don’t want to chase people out of town. Rather, we want to remain your good neighbors. Here in Richmond, as everywhere else, there are bound to be disagreements of one kind or another; but that does not prevent us from being kind, civil, and neighborly to each other. And if we try to interest you in our Catholic religion, it is out of Christian charity, not out of hatred.

To those we haven’t met: We invite you to get to know us. Some folks may attempt to give this letter their own spin, causing doubt and confusion about who we are. This makes it even more helpful for you to get to know us personally. This year’s Blueberry Fiddle Festival would be a great opportunity for us to enjoy each others’ company. We hope to see you soon!

Sincerely yours in Christ,
Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.
Your neighbor, and the Prior of SBC

 


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God bless ya for taking this subject on… You are a better blogger than I, Gunga Dinn!

I simply no longer have the patience to deal with people whose foregone conclusions about the Catholic Faith are so resolute and unshapeable that you get the impression if you were talking to them in person they would stick an index finger in each ear and start shouting “LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!”

Good work though! Maybe that one person out there who needs to read this will see it. That is the funny thing about blogging – we simply don’t know in this lifetime the effect of the material we put out there!

Comment by asimplesinner

You have to understand that the SPLC *IS* Stormfront, that is, they are one and the same.

SPLC is the largest hate group in America and they should be outlawed and jailed. They do this to suppress religion as that is the goal of the state.

No one fears Stormfront — what do they actually do? But everyone fears SPLC and thus they are a terrorist group. They are terrorizing the Catholics and I had the money I would sue them. They get thousands of dollars from the Rockefeller industry to support their terrorist activities.

Comment by NH

Thank you for the great comments.

To asmiplesinner I don’t know why exactly I started to blog, except that I thought it might be a good healing thing for me to do. I also thought it might keep me out of trouble, lol.

You are right in that one never knows who might read this blog.

To NH You asked what Stormfront does? Stormfront is used as a networking tool to bring people into the Cause and to get them to meet in real life. It does have the purpose of bringing new people in because on the internet one can say things and they feel like they are safe from people knowing who they are. They also use Stormfront as a way to promote their ideas with their own media. They have the forum, radio and they are working on getting their own tv. Stormfront is the cream of the crop of the White Nationalists. They are the best educated and present a mask of conservative American values. Stormfront is more dangerous than VNN because VNN is a joke, but Stormfront is not a joke because the smartest and the brightest WN’s are always finding a way to move into the future and bring their ideas into the forefront.

Stormfront has been used to bring people into the Cause. They post on Stormfront and they develop online friendships and than they start going to real life meetings. The Goal of Don Black when he started SF was to use SF as a tool to bring people into the Cause. He has been very successful on that part. I would say that Don Black has more than reached his starting goal on that front. Yes, people come and go, but how many of the people who because of Stormfront move into real life WN activism stay with the program and become hardline? I would say that many of them do stay with the program.

In the Community where I live they have the SF gathering at least twice a year and invite people to come. They use SF as a networking tool to bring new people. The group in my local area is quite active on political issues such as immagration. They are very active. I know in other communities that WN groups are very active on political issues such as Immagration that are important to Republican Conservatives as a way to gain more and more people to their Cause. They don’t come out and say I am a White Nationalist group. They will use terms like am Pro-American, Conservative, and secure our borders.

WN’s believe Education is a very important part of their work in reaching their fellow whites to join them. SF is an education tool and has been very effective. WN’s do not wear red horns and to meet them in person and to spend time with them you would find them enjoyable people who you come to love as friends. They are there for you and help you out in a jam. They make you feel like you are part of a family. To the hurting and lonely of the world they accept that hand of friendship offered to them. That is why WN’s reach out in the way they do.

The internet has been a very good thing for White Nationalists like Don Black who founded Stormfront. WN today use words as their weapons and the battle is for the people’s mind. Don Black is a very smart man.

Today the battle is being fought in words and ideas. When you have the majority of talk radio owned by clearchannel and the majority of talk radio is presented from the right wing that spreads many of the same lies as White Nationalists on SF than that is a problem. When you have groups like the SPLC and others who make everyone who is pro-life and holds traditional Catholic values as RACIST that is a problem, because SF and people like David Duke play on that and can bring more people to Stormfront and their radio shows and start to bring them into their Cause.

The word RACIST is being tossed around way to much.

I feel like when the SPLC was founded they were founded for a good reason, but somehow lost their way. As White Nationalists see a jew behind every rock the SPLC it seems sees a racist bedhind every rock. It makes me wonder if the SPLC is a group that can be trusted?

I always was different from everyone else. I was the round peg that everyone was trying to put into the square hole. You see they only had one hole and they had to make everyone a square peg to fit into the one size fits all hole. I have always marched to my own drummer. I have always had very deep thoughts. I am not stupid I just don’t have the best education. My dad used to tell me about Thomas Edison. He said I was like Thomas Edison and that he was a very creative and smart man. He didn’t like school either. I love learning and always have, but I could never fit into their square hole no matter how hard they tried. Back in my days if you were left handed they switched you to right hand. They couldn’t have any left handed kids like me. Now as I am older my natural use of the left hand comes out more and more. Would it have been the end of the world to let me be left handed?

To the groups like SPLC and others I am an evil racist because I am Catholic and follow the teachings of my church. To the White Nationalists I am a race traitor because I am Catholic and follow the teachings of my church.

Yes, I feel that what I am doing here is very important and something that the Lord would have me do. You see, I want the truth to come out. I don’t want people fooled into thinking they are White Nationalists because they are pro-life Catholics who hold traditional teachings and think that their only option is to join white Natioanlists.

White Nationalists say it is all about love, but what they do is really about hate. White Nationalistism is everything that Christ preaches against. God is love and we are to love as Christ loves. White Nationalists have many times said that their race is their God. Yet at the same time they try and make themselves seem like they are Christian. Doesn’t the Bible say that we are to love God with our whole heart, soul, and mind. Isn’t their a commandment that we are only to worship the one God. Tell me how does it please God when you have White Nationalists who say that their race is their God. I don’t want my fellow Catholics fooled into thinking that Stormfront or any White Nationalist group is pro catholic.

SPLC is wrong too in what they are doing. It has gone from an usefull tool to fight against hate in this country to being I guess a tool to brand everyone who holds traditional family values, pro-life Catholics as being hateful racists. Serious people who feel it is a moral duty to fight against Racism, hate, and for the Civil Rights of all people from the womb to the tomb will decide they can’t work with the SPLC. Are Catholics going to want to work with the SPLC?

Who is it that many times works with the poorest of the poor in this country? It is Catholic priests, nuns, brothers, lay people. Who reaches out to build schools around the world so that the children can receive a good education? It is Catholic Preiests, nuns, brothers, missions etc. If the SPLC would like brand Catholic Communities as RACIST without firsthand going to talk to them, than they will find that people will not want to work with them.

At the same time we as Catholics should not allow bitterness in our hearts either. Stormfront reposted this article for a reason to stir up the pot. That was WRONG!!!!! Maybe the SPLC has learned their lesson from this and realizes they are wrong. I would be interested in knowing if they ever published a retraction of the orginal story? Did the SPLC say they were sorry to this Catholic Community and to the people in this small town of New Hampshire for the lies and trouble they caused in their community?

Anyway, the Bible says we will know by the fruit they bear rather it is good fruit or bad fruit. Either way, let us follow the letter from the brother and reachout to each other in love, kindness and understanding. Let us not allow outsiders to our faith to stir up emotions of anger or bitterness.

This article is o year old, and that is why I got angry and wanted to vent on my blog journal. It is WRONG for STORMFRONT to rehash this and try to stir the pot again. It was wrong what the SPLC did as well.

Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how the SPLC brands us Catholics it is never acceptable for us to join White Nationalists groups.

People should fear Stormfront and the right wing ideas that are taking hold in this country. People should also fear groups like the SPLC who brand anyone who is a pro life Catholic as an evil RACIST.

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